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ml1997 said:
You can’t be serious? Both thinking I’m a troll and that Peck and Choudhury walk into any team at this level.
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They would,I’m sure Choudhury would not be playing as deep as he is with us though,he would be another 10 metres further up strengthening the midfield and picking up more loose balls. Souza doesn’t play as deep as him,so why does Wilder drop him deep,encouraging counter attacks. Hamer on the left,BBD wide left,Brewster starting. I give up.
 
It's a very difficult mentality to self-manage when he is both an ardent fan of the club (way more than Colin ever was)
AND
manager of the team.
So much emotion that it can become toxic both to his performance as the manager and debilitating for his own mental health.
He had a breakdown in 20/21 leading to his bizarre exit when really he should have been saying to everyone
"look , no worries , if we go down , I'm the man to get us back up"💪
But he couldn't take the fall from "almost Europe in 19/20" to "fucked from the start" in 20/21" with Brewster and without JoC replacement.
Both his decisions.
I feel very sorry for him - the team he's created on £small has been top of the league despite adversity (eg losing Souttar & Blaster) due to his recruitment & enthusiasm.
But at the business end of the season , his love for the club has turned into anxiety affecting the team.
Unfortunately you don't get promoted coz your manager loves his club more than other managers love theirs.
He's got to behave with less emotion and that's against his nature.
Knilly needs to exert some influence before it's too late.
I get the feeling that Knilly is losing his power to counterbalance Wilder.
 
Not sure why we are having this debate now. We are currently 2 points of autos and a play and will achieve a minimum of a play off place so compared against nearly everybody's expectations last August the season has been a success. That is not to say everything is perfect and some of the football has not been easy to watch but one way or another has largely got positive results. Let us wait and see where we finish before making hasty judgements. Personally I think CW has many strengths but also some weaknesses and limitations. Whether ours and other fans like him personally or not is neither here nor there. Let us see where we end up and then decide what is best for taking the club forward to the next level.
 
Keen Blade said:
It's a very difficult mentality to self-manage when he is both an ardent fan of the club (way more than Colin ever was)
AND
manager of the team.
So much emotion that it can become toxic both to his performance as the manager and debilitating for his own mental health.
He had a breakdown in 20/21 leading to his bizarre exit when really he should have been saying to everyone
"look , no worries , if we go down , I'm the man to get us back up"💪
But he couldn't take the fall from "almost Europe in 19/20" to "fucked from the start" in 20/21" with Brewster and without JoC replacement.
Both his decisions.
I feel very sorry for him - the team he's created on £small has been top of the league despite adversity (eg losing Souttar & Blaster) due to his recruitment & enthusiasm.
But at the business end of the season , his love for the club has turned into anxiety affecting the team.
Unfortunately you don't get promoted coz your manager loves his club more than other managers love theirs.
He's got to behave with less emotion and that's against his nature.
Knilly needs to exert some influence before it's too late.
I get the feeling that Knilly is losing his power to counterbalance Wilder.
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Good post, He can't be one of the boys and manager too, it's too stressful
 
metalblade said:
A lot of Unitedites wouldn't be happy with anyone who doesn't have a connection to the club, I'm not sure why people think only ex United players can be successful here all this Bladey Bladey bollocks is just that Bollocks with a capital B. It's just like the clamour to give players a coaching role after they hang there boots up JOC, Billy, Jags give them a coaching job even though they might be useless at it or not even want to go down that road.
If Wilder wasn't a United fan he'd be getting a rough ride with some of the performances this season despite us scraping loads of 1-0 wins. That's without starting on his embarrassing antics of drunken dancing on tables after beating the pigs or his drunken antics at the civic reception after his last promotion, of course the thug element in the fan base lap it up great guy one of the lads. A few weeks later they are all a disgrace and should stay away, the bloke runs his gob off when things don't go well he blames anyone but himself refs, fans, or he may just publicly throw the players under the bus. Not hard to see why the fans of other clubs can't stand the bloke, he is more of an embarrassment to the club than Warnock was. Teams are finding out how to play against us Wilder has been found out and doesn't know how to change it, expect more parking the bus and long ball tactics from Plymouth and Cardiff which will more than likely get them points unless Wilder stumbles on to a way of breaking them down.
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Nothing's black and white in this world but there are elements in what you say that I'm finding difficult to refute.
I remember in our rise up the leagues from 2016 that Knilly was quite influential with examples such as novel free kick routines etc.

Wilder is a fan / manager and therefore too emotionally invested sometimes when it comes on top.

But he had Knilly , who appears to be a phlegmatic personality , as a counterweight.
The problem with phlegmatics is they tend to avoid conflict for a laid-back life.

This is a bold theory but I'm guessing that as Knilly has aged , he's reverting more to type and is thus losing influence at the Lane.

Which is very bad news for Chris.

I would love a psychologist to have made a case-study of CW since 2016.

You can see the effects of the extreme events in the last 9 years of his relationship with the Blades , written all over his face , especially in the interview after the win at the pigsty and after the home defeat to Millwall this week.

I hope and pray he doesn't break down and become ill again.

Obviously for his own & family's sake.

But also , another sudden departure leaves us in the lurch at the worst possible time , far worse than his previous exit in 20/21 when we were heading down anyway.
 
ml1997 said:
Are you having a laugh?

Leeds have Struijk, Rodon, Firpo, Bogle, Ampadu, Solomon, James and Gnonto who’d start for us. And others who are incredible for a championship bench.

Burnley have Trafford, Estevé, Egan-Riley, Beyer, Brownhilll, Cullen, Ramsey, Flemming, Edwards and Hannibal who’d start for us.
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Aren't they wage bills something like

Leeds £35m
Burnley £31m
Blades £25m

Approx.

And ours includes Brewster plus expensive loans.

We are over performing our disposable budget to be anywhere near the top two.
 
I don't think removing Wilder at this point is a good idea. If we fail to go up from the position we've worked our way into, then questions need asking for sure.

Every point dropped keeps adding more and more pressure to the Burnley game and starts taking things out of our own hands.

Simply must win against Plymouth who themselves need to win or are pretty much down if other results go against them.
 
Keen Blade said:
It's a very difficult mentality to self-manage when he is both an ardent fan of the club (way more than Colin ever was)
AND
manager of the team.
So much emotion that it can become toxic both to his performance as the manager and debilitating for his own mental health.
He had a breakdown in 20/21 leading to his bizarre exit when really he should have been saying to everyone
"look , no worries , if we go down , I'm the man to get us back up"💪
But he couldn't take the fall from "almost Europe in 19/20" to "fucked from the start" in 20/21" with Brewster and without JoC replacement.
Both his decisions.
I feel very sorry for him - the team he's created on £small has been top of the league despite adversity (eg losing Souttar & Blaster) due to his recruitment & enthusiasm.
But at the business end of the season , his love for the club has turned into anxiety affecting the team.
Unfortunately you don't get promoted coz your manager loves his club more than other managers love theirs.
He's got to behave with less emotion and that's against his nature.
Knilly needs to exert some influence before it's too late.
I get the feeling that Knilly is losing his power to counterbalance Wilder.
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First post on here after being a very long time lurker. I absolutely agree with this one and signed up to put across a similar view.

Personally, I can't be sure 100% about the 'breakdown', and assume that NDA's will be in place both sides regarding the details of his exit, but as someone with more than a passing interest in mental health, the signs were certainly there in the lead up to him leaving. I'd suggest the same possibility with Nigel Adkins too.

Chris loves the Blades, no doubt, but he is deeply and innately wrapped up, professionally, egotistically and socially with the club. He sees himself as the leader, in effect of half the city. The adulation does nothing but add to that, and to the pressure that comes with it. Much as he is one of the lads and 'one of our own' his judgement has been shown to be poor whilst trying to balance the fan/ manager divide.
It's fun whilst it lasts but, potentially, chronically unhealthy for the club and him in the long term.

IMO, we're beginning to see the signs again. His interview after the Millwall game didn't look good and only weeks ago he showed it again when grabbing the team sheet from the interviewer during another one.

I love the club, but really not sure that I want him to have to go again, either if we do go up or not. The effects of the first Wilder PL visit are still there and, personally, I have doubts that I'd either trust him with the big money again or drop the same amount of pressure into his lap that he had last time. The ride has to end at some stage, no matter how desperate some are to have him at the helm.

The owners will be looking carefully, doubtless, at what's happening, despite the silence and distance so far. Personally, I see a natural break coming, whatever happens come May.
 
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Keen Blade said:
It's a very difficult mentality to self-manage when he is both an ardent fan of the club (way more than Colin ever was)
AND
manager of the team.
So much emotion that it can become toxic both to his performance as the manager and debilitating for his own mental health.
He had a breakdown in 20/21 leading to his bizarre exit when really he should have been saying to everyone
"look , no worries , if we go down , I'm the man to get us back up"💪
But he couldn't take the fall from "almost Europe in 19/20" to "fucked from the start" in 20/21" with Brewster and without JoC replacement.
Both his decisions.
I feel very sorry for him - the team he's created on £small has been top of the league despite adversity (eg losing Souttar & Blaster) due to his recruitment & enthusiasm.
But at the business end of the season , his love for the club has turned into anxiety affecting the team.
Unfortunately you don't get promoted coz your manager loves his club more than other managers love theirs.
He's got to behave with less emotion and that's against his nature.
Knilly needs to exert some influence before it's too late.
I get the feeling that Knilly is losing his power to counterbalance Wilder.
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Agree he desperately needs someone to take him aside and tell him to calm the fcuk down and act a bit more professionally, own his mistakes and keep his gob shut at times. He has enough enemies without making more by gobbing off to the media be it at the fans, the players or referee's. Nobody takes any notice of blokes acting like macho man except a few like minded blokes who think it makes them a bigger blade.
 
I think he was found out at the end of the 2020/21 season. Premier League Managers sussed out how to cancel out the overlapping fullbacks and he didn’t have a plan B. The formation we have now has been forced on him since. I don’t thinks he’s happy with it but he can’t go back. Whether he’s at the club next season or not, we need a change of ethos. I honestly thinked we missed a trick with Slav. His sides before United were great to watch, pacey attacking football. But he was stuck here with a tight Chairman who hoodwinked him at the interview. Now we have ponderous football which I’ve been bored with this season. Ok where in the top 3 but it’s also an entertainment business at the end of the day.
 

Tony_Kaufman said:
Cooper would actually get us playing football, win, lose or draw. He has good connections in the game and can sign good, pacey attack minded players and use them properly. He might have a face like a stroke victim in a strobe light, but he's a very good manager.

Rosenior wouldn't be a bad option.
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I thought Rosenior was thrown under the bus at Hull.
 
Couple of young up and coming managers in league one we can take a look at. D Moore at Port Vale and S Bruce at Blackpool.

In all seriousness if we don't make the play off final (as in no automatics) Wilder will likely quit anyway. I wouldn't say no to Cooper. Especially compared to the list of Southampton favourites
 
metalblade said:
Agree he desperately needs someone to take him aside and tell him to calm the fcuk down and act a bit more professionally, own his mistakes and keep his gob shut at times. He has enough enemies without making more by gobbing off to the media be it at the fans, the players or referee's. Nobody takes any notice of blokes acting like macho man except a few like minded blokes who think it makes them a bigger blade.
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metalblade said:
Agree he desperately needs someone to take him aside and tell him to calm the fcuk down and act a bit more professionally, own his mistakes and keep his gob shut at times. He has enough enemies without making more by gobbing off to the media be it at the fans, the players or referee's. Nobody takes any notice of blokes acting like macho man except a few like minded blokes who think it makes them a bigger blade.
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Definitely agree. Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock had Derek Dooley to turn to for advice and guidance when wheels start to wobble. Bassett especially has said what a big help Dooley was not only supporting him in the boardroom but passing on his experience in the game.
 
Blade59 said:
Not sure why we are having this debate now. We are currently 2 points of autos and a play and will achieve a minimum of a play off place so compared against nearly everybody's expectations last August the season has been a success. That is not to say everything is perfect and some of the football has not been easy to watch but one way or another has largely got positive results. Let us wait and see where we finish before making hasty judgements. Personally I think CW has many strengths but also some weaknesses and limitations. Whether ours and other fans like him personally or not is neither here nor there. Let us see where we end up and then decide what is best for taking the club forward to the next level.
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Agree a lot with this however isn’t he supposed to be creating an identity and style of play that will work (if promoted) to the premier league? Like many have stated, this season has been largely disappointing regarding performances.
Points win prizes yes…but this is also an entertainment business where people pay good money home and away to be entertained whilst getting results hopefully at the same time.
We’ve got the points but very little entertainment in most games, just grinding it out….
 
Stockholmblade said:
tAgree a lot with this however isn’t he supposed to be creating an identity and style of play that will work (if promoted) to the premier league? Like many have stated, this season has been largely disappointing regarding performances.
Points win prizes yes…but this is also an entertainment business where people pay good money home and away to be entertained whilst getting results hopefully at the same time.
We’ve got the points but very little entertainment in most games, just grinding it out
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Problem is it is almost impossible to build a style in the Championship that will work in the prem as the gulf in class is just to big. WE did that last time with the overlapping centre backs and it worked initially until eventually other teams worked out how to counter it. Then the difference in quality took its toll. That quality difference has only increased since then. It seems to me the policy is just to get up by whatever means and then worry how to adapt once we get there.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Worst manager we've ever had by some distance.
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Nonsense. He’s second by a distance behind Mickey Alehouse Adams, a man overwhelmed by the United job that he had to get Dave Bassett to answer the phone for him.

Adams was also the reason we ended up in the death spiral which resulted in David Weir’s short rein.
 
you wasnt slagging him off when he was winning some 2 faced people its evil to say GET HIM GONE disgusting to say to man who is a blades fan himself,get real,he got us to 9th in top league so he cant be that crap like you think so ,can you do better,no one will be good enough for some people ,arr give him some respect he speaks his mind who will do better arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ffs ,cruel words get gone nits evll..arrtr
 
Balham said:
Nonsense. He’s second by a distance behind Mickey Alehouse Adams, a man overwhelmed by the United job that he had to get Dave Bassett to answer the phone for him.

Adams was also the reason we ended up in the death spiral which resulted in David Weir’s short rein.
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Adams was rubbish but he didn't completely embarrass himself.

Weir wasn't even a manager, he was just a bloke who had a go at being a manager for ten games.
 
Keen Blade said:
Aren't they wage bills something like

Leeds £35m
Burnley £31m
Blades £25m

Approx.

And ours includes Brewster plus expensive loans.

We are over performing our disposable budget to be anywhere near the top two.
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Capology has us about level with Burnley, which seems believable after we invested pretty heavily in the JTW.

2024-2025 Championship Payrolls

Capology | Football Salaries & Finances
www.capology.com www.capology.com

Having said that, Wilder had a major rebuild on his hands in the summer so started with a handicap. 3rd is probably about par (I predicted 4th in the summer) but it hurts to throw it away so close to the finish line.
 

dc_blade said:
Capology has us about level with Burnley, which seems believable after we invested pretty heavily in the JTW.

2024-2025 Championship Payrolls

Capology | Football Salaries & Finances
www.capology.com www.capology.com

Having said that, Wilder had a major rebuild on his hands in the summer so started with a handicap. 3rd is the finish line.
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It certainly does - the fluke injuries to Souttar and Blaster have cooked our goose and the replacement for Souttar hasn't even played -

Signing Cannon for £20m , who can't even get in the team - let alone score or even make any impact - brings an element of farcical self-destruction to our end-of-season.

I have the impression from his tone in recent interviews that Wilder's back wheels are lifting off the rails and the players can probably sense that.
 
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