Incoming? Gary O’Neil linked as Manager

[robbiez666]

I've seen him numerous times ,hes tidy on the ball ,wants it in to feet ,but I feel he lacks the physicality what's needed but any daft bugger can play at npl level .some fruit cases come on here

I feel the issue with these AI signings isn't ability it's having the physicality to play in the UK.

I used to play football in the park with a kid who was 4 years younger than me but skilful as fuck. He ended up at Man U's academy but playing in the park he would hide if you gave him a kick. Same happened with his academy career.

 

[Rodley]

Jeff’s performances for the U21s, whilst not at Championship level, are certainly above NPL standard. I think we can safely ignore your friend’s opinion.

Having watched one of his performances streamed, it did does beg the question what’s the name of the level one above NPL?

 

[Nick Jansky]

I feel the issue with these AI signings isn't ability it's having the physicality to play in the UK.

I used to play football in the park with a kid who was 4 years younger than me but skilful as fuck. He ended up at Man U's academy but playing in the park he would hide if you gave him a kick. Same happened with his academy career.

I would imagine that their physicality is one of the key considerations.

 

[robbiez666]

I would imagine that their physicality is one of the key considerations.

But they aren't. At least the one who we've actually seen isn't. It can obviously be coached/learned but that's not happening under the current regime.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Having watched one of his performances streamed, it did does beg the question what’s the name of the level above NPL?

That would be the Conference North where quite a few of our youngsters, including Seriki & Brooks, have had loans on their way to the first team squad.

 

[Nick Jansky]

But they aren't. At least the one who we've actually seen isn't. It can obviously be coached/learned but that's not happening under the current regime.

I’m sure their physicality is being worked on. They haven’t been brought in for immediate elevation to the first team squad. You seem to be knee jerking quite a lot at the moment, which based on your posting history I’m a bit surprised at. Maybe find some patience & remove the blinkers.

 

[robbiez666]

I’m sure their physicality is being worked on. They haven’t been brought in for immediate elevation to the first team squad. You seem to be knee jerking quite a lot at the moments, which based on your posting history I’m a bit surprised at. Maybe find some patience & remove the blinkers.

Why am I knee jerking? Because I have opinions that aren't basic for or against? I have zero issue with the club trying to find some undiscovered gems but I'm pretty sure every single club on the ladder ahead of us thinks the same. The worry I have is that we're signing players based on stats without understanding that to be successful in this country you need to have a physicality about you.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Why am I knee jerking? Because I have opinions that aren't basic for or against? I have zero issue with the club trying to find some undiscovered gems but I'm pretty sure every single club on the ladder ahead of us thinks the same. The worry I have is that we're signing players based on stats without understanding that to be successful in this country you need to have a physicality about you.

Why do you think overseas players lack physicality? So far we seem to have been focusing on wingers. It would be different if we were after other positions, but I’m fairly sure that will definitely be a consideration anyway.

So far you haven’t made any argument of substance as to why AI shouldn’t be a part of our recruitment process. It is so early in the process that it can’t possibly be judged yet. That’s the knee jerking part. It will evolve. Let’s see how it looks in a year or two.

 

[Striker]

I've seen him numerous times ,hes tidy on the ball ,wants it in to feet ,but I feel he lacks the physicality what's needed but any daft bugger can play at npl level .some fruit cases come on here

"Any daft bugger can play Northern Premier level" REALLY???

Whilst it may not be Championship level it's certainly not "daft bugger" level

 

[54yrblade]

Thats up to him but It’ll be the best offer he gets this summer. I’d personally hope for someone more inspiring.

He doesn't want an offer. He wouldn't even look at it twice.

 

[Rodley]

That would be the Conference North where quite a few of our youngsters, including Seriki & Brooks, have had loans on their way to the first team squad.

Big Jeff is 23 in a couple of months, not convinced he’s going to make it. Apparently Nwachukwu is the better of the two.

 

[Rodley]

Why am I knee jerking? Because I have opinions that aren't basic for or against? I have zero issue with the club trying to find some undiscovered gems but I'm pretty sure every single club on the ladder ahead of us thinks the same. The worry I have is that we're signing players based on stats without understanding that to be successful in this country you need to have a physicality about you.

I think elite athleticism is the key and I don’t think that can be taught. You’d hope the signings have that basic underlying attribute, otherwise they’ve little chance of breaking through or (crucially) making it at PL level.

I’d be looking for more Ryan One, Seriki, types with clear strength, power and pace as that can’t really be coached. The skys the limit if you can technically coach them up.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Big Jeff is 23 in a couple of months, not convinced he’s going to make it. Apparently Nwachukwu is the better of the two.

We’ll see. The jury remains very firmly out. He’s the same age as Mahrez was when Leicester plucked him from Ligue 2 because they weren’t afraid of signing unknown overseas players.

 

[Rodley]

We’ll see. The jury remains very firmly out. He’s the same age as Mahrez was when Leicester plucked him from Ligue 2 because they weren’t afraid of signing unknown overseas players.

Yep but Mahrez has done a full season with Le Havre in Lique 2 and that is a very decent club for training and developing good players. Peruvian football league is a completely different beast I imagine

 

[Aston max]

We need to remember that O'Neil has that few years of Bournemouth experience of how they work ( being held up as the way to run a club )
Do I want him ? I'm pretty much on the fence atm

 

[Frank the tank]

He doesn't want an offer. He wouldn't even look at it twice.

Bit like his reflection then

 

[robbiez666]

I think elite athleticism is the key and I don’t think that can be taught. You’d hope the signings have that basic underlying attribute, otherwise they’ve little chance of breaking through or (crucially) making it at PL level.

I’d be looking for more Ryan One, Seriki, types with clear strength, power and pace as that can’t really be coached. The skys the limit if you can technically coach them up.

I'm going to use David Silva here as an example. A little lad who was extremely skilful but didn't like being kicked. He liked to stroll around on the ball.

Pep turned him into a player who was both really hard to knock off a ball but would also run his knackers off up and down the pitch.

These lads are usually pretty athletic by dint of being footballers. It's instilling both a mentality of hard work and getting them into a gym to bulk up which needs to happen.

 

[Rodley]

I'm going to use David Silva here as an example. A little lad who was extremely skilful but didn't like being kicked. He liked to stroll around on the ball.

Pep turned him into a player who was both really hard to knock off a ball but would also run his knackers off up and down the pitch.

These lads are usually pretty athletic by dint of being footballers. It's instilling both a mentality of hard work and getting them into a gym to bulk up which needs to happen.

Silva is the exception not the rule and we’re unlikely to get someone with such outstanding technical ability which will overcome any physical limitations.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Yep but Mahrez has done a full season with Le Havre in Lique 2 and that is a very decent club for training and developing good players. Peruvian football league is a completely different beast I imagine

But you have no idea what the quality of the Peruvian league is. And elite players have emerged from even the smallest of leagues.

 

[robbiez666]

Silva is the exception not the rule and we’re unlikely to get someone with such outstanding technical ability which will overcome any physical limitations.

Looking closer to home, David Brooks. Went from being a skinny kid easily pushed off the ball to a player who fights to hold on to it. Ditto with Arblaster. Not about your size, it's about your determination.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Silva is the exception not the rule and we’re unlikely to get someone with such outstanding technical ability which will overcome any physical limitations.

Best not bother at all then.

Its in its infancy and the reactionaries are attempting to judge it already

 

[Rodley]

But you have no idea what the quality of the Peruvian league is. And elite players have emerged from even the smallest of leagues.

Well I don’t think the player looks great and I’m fairly certain the league is a poor standard. At 23, I’m uncertain what more growth there is there, but yes I guess there is a chance he could become an elite player and our AI has uncovered him.

 

[Rodley]

Best not bother at all then.

Its in its infancy and the reactionaries are attempting to judge it already

I’m attempting to judge Caceres and, more generally, suggesting we should be recruiting players with elite athletic attributes. It’s hardly a reactionary position and there’s little need to be so censorious / prescious.

 

[Rodley]

Looking closer to home, David Brooks. Went from being a skinny kid easily pushed off the ball to a player who fights to hold on to it. Ditto with Arblaster. Not about your size, it's about your determination.

Good and fair point on Brooks. He always was a lovely technician and has done well at PL level.

 

[Blade45]

Well I don’t think the player looks great and I’m fairly certain the league is a poor standard. At 23, I’m uncertain what more growth there is there, but yes I guess there is a chance he could become an elite player and our AI has uncovered him.

Apparently, the Peruvian league is roughly equal to English League 2, Serbia's SuperLiga (their top flight), and Belgium's second tier. That's according to this. So the overall standard isn't great, but there have been some gems to come out of those leagues. Caceres could be shite, or he could be the next Dusan Tadic, who left Serbia at 22, the same age Caceres left Peru.

I'd be interested to know exactly why the AI marked Caceres specifically. What traits does he possess that made us buy him?

 

[robbiez666]

Apparently, the Peruvian league is roughly equal to English League 2, Serbia's SuperLiga (their top flight), and Belgium's second tier. That's according to this. So the overall standard isn't great, but there have been some gems to come out of those leagues. Caceres could be shite, or he could be the next Dusan Tadic, who left Serbia at 22, the same age Caceres left Peru.

I'd be interested to know exactly why the AI marked Caceres specifically. What traits does he possess that made us buy him?

It's strange at that age. Players are normally picked up in the U21s if not through the league.

That being said, players do get missed. Vardy, for instance. Ian Wright. This does happen occasionally. Or Ricardo Holmes.

 

[Blade45]

It's strange at that age. Players are normally picked up in the U21s if not through the league.

That being said, players do get missed. Vardy, for instance. Ian Wright. This does happen occasionally. Or Ricardo Holmes.

Yeah, it doesn't exactly excite me that he's only been picked for the Peru U23s once. He did pretty well in the league, I wonder why he hasn't been called up since.

I didn't mind the Nwachukwu/Caceres/Ukaki signings. At worst, they are players bought for a tiny fee. At best, they can end up being real gems. Although like others have said, I'd like there to be a balance between signing youngsters and signing established players to help in the here and now.

 

[robbiez666]

Yeah, it doesn't exactly excite me that he's only been picked for the Peru U23s once. He did pretty well in the league, I wonder why he hasn't been called up since.

I didn't mind the Nwachukwu/Caceres/Ukaki signings. At worst, they are players bought for a tiny fee. At best, they can end up being real gems. Although like others have said, I'd like there to be a balance between signing youngsters and signing established players to help in the here and now.

I'd be interested to know how much we've actually paid for them. If it's £100k then fine. Worrying if it's significantly more.

 

[Blade45]

I'd be interested to know how much we've actually paid for them. If it's £100k then fine. Worrying if it's significantly more.

I thought it was roughly 1 million each for Caceres and Nwachukwu. Granted, that's quite a lot for two young players we knew (and still know) very little about, but if even one of them can end up becoming a decent level championship player, they'll be worth it.

 

[robbiez666]

I thought it was roughly 1 million each for Caceres and Nwachukwu. Granted, that's quite a lot for two young players we knew (and still know) very little about, but if even one of them can end up becoming a decent level championship player, they'll be worth it.

That's INSANE money for a Championship club to spend on random foreign players who are nowhere near first team standard.

A millions including large add-ons, fine, but as a fee, fucking hell!