Gareth Southgate , a distinct possibility ?

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Foxy said:
If Mr Southgate was to be employed by Sheffield United, I guarantee within the first couple of weeks of the season we wouldn't be able to move for posts about his choice of clothing.
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I've heard as well he's in the pro-arm folding camp!
 
Southgate would be similar to the Bryan Robson appointment. The Directors think they have pulled off a scoop, ex England, TV, articulate at the interview, good contacts, coaching badges etc. Fans, however, have a gut feeling that is not often wrong and mine is that Southgate would be a disaster.
 
Saw Steve McLaren on his way to Sheffield by train today. Got on at Darlington..........
 
Rather underwhelmed at any candidate, judging on what they've done before.

I think Winter's said the right things regarding the appointment and hope the new manager will be under no illusions about what's the task. He's got to start building something that can develop and improve gradually.

Then we'll have to see if the board, and fans, will remain patient even if results aren't great immediately.

This doesn't mean I'm all for unlimited patience whoever is put in charge. If the new manager sets us off on a path that seems to lead nowhere (Karl Robinson's career at MK Dons may be an example, as well as McCall at Bradford, Danny Wilson anywhere) we can't let him tread water for the sake of it.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Rather underwhelmed at any candidate, judging on what they've done before.

I think Winter's said the right things regarding the appointment and hope the new manager will be under no illusions about what's the task. He's got to start building something that can develop and improve gradually.

Then we'll have to see if the board, and fans, will remain patient even if results aren't great immediately.

This doesn't mean I'm all for unlimited patience whoever is put in charge. If the new manager sets us off on a path that seems to lead nowhere (Karl Robinson's career at MK Dons may be an example, as well as McCall at Bradford, Danny Wilson anywhere) we can't let him tread water for the sake of it.
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Very unfair on Wilson. Had us playing good football and only a freak chain of events stopped us going up.
 
broomhillblade said:
We need someone with lower league experience to unearth the hidden gems.
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A sentiment I agree with, but to defend Southgate a liitle yes he took Boro down but from a position similar to Redknapp at qpr and was surprisingly sacked when boro were 4th in the championship only a point off the top.
 
Bladesway said:
Very unfair on Wilson. Had us playing good football and only a freak chain of events stopped us going up.
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Agree that we played good football in 2011/12 and were unlucky. I also think many managers would have done pretty well in the third tier with

Simonsen
Lowton Maguire Collins LFJ
Williamson McDonald Doyle Quinn
Evans Cresswell


Biggest budget, all players signed or signed on by Wilson. Team only looking like it was gradually getting worse. Few players looking capable of playing at a higher level. Reliant on loans. Unwilling to sign/play young players. Treading water.
 
Bladesway said:
Very unfair on Wilson. Had us playing good football and only a freak chain of events stopped us going up.
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After about twelve attempts to escape the third division without success, I think the writing was on the wall for Wilson. And either way, his mind numbingly boring football of this last season will never be forgot, for all the wrong reasons.

UTB
 
Bergen Blade said:
Agree that we played good football in 2011/12 and were unlucky. I also think many managers would have done pretty well in the third tier with

Simonsen
Lowton Maguire Collins LFJ
Williamson McDonald Doyle Quinn
Evans Cresswell


Biggest budget, all players signed or signed on by Wilson. Team only looking like it was gradually getting worse. Few players looking capable of playing at a higher level. Reliant on loans. Unwilling to sign/play young players. Treading water.
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Too true Bergen but the goals scored by Evans clouded things for the clappers.
Take the goals out of the equation and we were very ordinary as the run in proved.
 
we under Wilson fizzled out
the signings in the January were at best catastrophic and made us weaker

was a fan of his in 11/12 , and thought the fates shat on him
but last season it fell apart as too many seasoned players were replaced with failures

we scored 90 odd goals 11/12 so it was more than ched, but you could say take van persies goals away from man utd and they wouldnt have won the title , a daft thing to say , he at least got him scoring again
 
alcoblade said:
After about twelve attempts to escape the third division without success, I think the writing was on the wall for Wilson. And either way, his mind numbingly boring football of this last season will never be forgot, for all the wrong reasons.

UTB
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He isn't without blame but someone has to take into account that this happened because he lost his top scorer to the law, then lost his best players to sales and then when he got a decent striker in he had him sold from underneath him at the most important time of the season.

Football heros are made on paper thin margins, Wilsons team were one of the most exciting I had seen in a few years. Winning games and scoring goals. Then by some fluke of bad fortune Ched goes down (which effects more than just the player leaving by the way) and then we get overtaken by what has to be a record points haul. How does that effect the moral of the team? Horribly is the answer.

Any other season we would have been playing Championship football this season. Quinn would still be with us, Lowton would have been more likely to stay, Blackman probably wouldn't have been sold and we would have been in better allround shape. I know many don't like DW for his past but as a manager he did little wrong in his first season. Then had the rug pulled from under him in his second. Sound anything like the Blackwell era? Of course Blackwell got the blame for that and Wilson gets the blame for this. While McCabe keeps on keeping on.

Obviously its the blind leading the blind.
 
Bladesway said:
He isn't without blame but someone has to take into account that this happened because he lost his top scorer to the law, then lost his best players to sales and then when he got a decent striker in he had him sold from underneath him at the most important time of the season.

Football heros are made on paper thin margins, Wilsons team were one of the most exciting I had seen in a few years. Winning games and scoring goals. Then by some fluke of bad fortune Ched goes down (which effects more than just the player leaving by the way) and then we get overtaken by what has to be a record points haul. How does that effect the moral of the team? Horribly is the answer.

Any other season we would have been playing Championship football this season. Quinn would still be with us, Lowton would have been more likely to stay, Blackman probably wouldn't have been sold and we would have been in better allround shape. I know many don't like DW for his past but as a manager he did little wrong in his first season. Then had the rug pulled from under him in his second. Sound anything like the Blackwell era? Of course Blackwell got the blame for that and Wilson gets the blame for this. While McCabe keeps on keeping on.

Obviously its the blind leading the blind.
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All very true. It's Wilson's lack of bollocks at home that really pissed me off this season.

Overall, there's little doubt that the root cause of our failure is McCabe's decision making.

UTB
 



Either way it would be a disaster to appoint Southgate. What does he know about League 1 and managing on a budget of zilch? There are only two scenarios in my mind, the first we are virtually pointlesss by the end of September and have players like Higginbottham and Doyle on extended contracts or we are so far ahead of our rivals by Xmas that Southgate jumps ship to the first PL side which sacks its' manager. Stability is what we need a manager who will take his time and stay with us to build a decent team for the future. Talk's cheap and anyone can say they will do this in an interview. Believe me interviews are a piece of cake if you do your homework, it's doing the job that takes guts and guile!
 
Bladesway said:
He isn't without blame but someone has to take into account that this happened because he lost his top scorer to the law, then lost his best players to sales and then when he got a decent striker in he had him sold from underneath him at the most important time of the season.

Football heros are made on paper thin margins, Wilsons team were one of the most exciting I had seen in a few years. Winning games and scoring goals. Then by some fluke of bad fortune Ched goes down (which effects more than just the player leaving by the way) and then we get overtaken by what has to be a record points haul. How does that effect the moral of the team? Horribly is the answer.

Any other season we would have been playing Championship football this season. Quinn would still be with us, Lowton would have been more likely to stay, Blackman probably wouldn't have been sold and we would have been in better allround shape. I know many don't like DW for his past but as a manager he did little wrong in his first season. Then had the rug pulled from under him in his second. Sound anything like the Blackwell era? Of course Blackwell got the blame for that and Wilson gets the blame for this. While McCabe keeps on keeping on.

Obviously its the blind leading the blind.
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What so many posters seem to forget is that this (last) season we had to get rid of our high earners to meet the salary cap rules.
 
Menjo said:
Either way it would be a disaster to appoint Southgate. What does he know about League 1 and managing on a budget of zilch? There are only two scenarios in my mind, the first we are virtually pointlesss by the end of September and have players like Higginbottham and Doyle on extended contracts or we are so far ahead of our rivals by Xmas that Southgate jumps ship to the first PL side which sacks its' manager. Stability is what we need a manager who will take his time and stay with us to build a decent team for the future. Talk's cheap and anyone can say they will do this in an interview. Believe me interviews are a piece of cake if you do your homework, it's doing the job that takes guts and guile!
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Pressure comes with the job at The Lane.

Easy at Yeovil and MK Dons when there is no expectation.

Can the lower league guys step up?

Missing a major penalty adds character.
Appointing him scares the shit out of me though.
 
broomhillblade said:
What so many posters seem to forget is that this (last) season we had to get rid of our high earners to meet the salary cap rules.
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Are you Dave Green? Julian Winter? McCabe himself?

As has been stated salary cap kicks in this season and I am sure that this will be another reason to cut back. It will also fall at the feet of the fans if not enough turn up because then turnover drops and we have to cut. Its quite cosy being Kev isn't it? He even has people making excuses on his behalf. Shit ones at that.

I wish people would stop making allowances for terrible management and ownership of our club and actually exert some pressure on the man. Write to him, inundate him with your displeasure. It might make jack shit difference but then again he might actually realise many of us are pissed off.
 
Bladesway said:
Are you Dave Green? Julian Winter? McCabe himself?

As has been stated salary cap kicks in this season and I am sure that this will be another reason to cut back. It will also fall at the feet of the fans if not enough turn up because then turnover drops and we have to cut. Its quite cosy being Kev isn't it? He even has people making excuses on his behalf. Shit ones at that.

I wish people would stop making allowances for terrible management and ownership of our club and actually exert some pressure on the man. Write to him, inundate him with your displeasure. It might make jack shit difference but then again he might actually realise many of us are pissed off.
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The Salary Cap applied all last season.

See:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

However, facts don't seem to bother you in your quest to slag off the club.
 
Not a manager I'm thrilled with being linked to us, might be okay not as no experience of what is needed to get out of this leauge. Not managed in 4 years and has a less then 30% win ratio.
So yeah not really an improvement.
 
broomhillblade said:
The Salary Cap applied all last season.

See:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

However, facts don't seem to bother you in your quest to slag off the club.
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SCMP has indeed been in all this season. They introduce Financial Fair Play for the first time in the Championship next year but they are nowhere near as restrictive as the L1 / L2 rules.

Basically our player wage bill has had to be under 65% of turnover for the season and next season the limit is 60%. Craig Burns said at the AGM that the FL regularly audit the figures (every month I think) particularly just before a transfer window. The FL scrutinise every transfer after you hit the 60% limit (hence why Swindon and Bury both eventually got transfer embargos last season)

This is undoubtedly why our player wage bill has been reduced from about £9M in 2011/12 to something between £4M to £5M this season.

An important exception is that players under 20 on 1 September 2012 are NOT included in the calculation.

So with turnover reducing next year (it's bound to), 5% reduction in SCMP threshold plus Harry Maguire's wage now entering the calculation, our wage bill is going down. Fortunately Long, Ironside and McFadzean will all still be 19 (just) on 1 September 2013

Next year's wage bill is definitely going down ! We have no option. Expect transfers out and plenty of youth including youth loans.

The one silver lining is it might be the end of Kitson / Higginbotham / Robson type signings.

Whoever comes in needs to unearth some diamonds or it is a bleak outlook.
 
UnitedBlade said:
SCWhoever comes in needs to unearth some diamonds or is it a bleak outlook.
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Yeovil were just promoted with a wage bill of around £1M. We should still be in clover, once we have rinsed out the shite.

We should be asking questions about why it's so epxensive to run us. Having a big ground only explains so much. Perhaps we should mothball the academy?

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
Yeovil were just promoted with a wage bill of around £1M. We should still be in clover, once we have rinsed out the shite.

We should be asking questions about why it's so epxensive to run us. Having a big ground only explains so much. Perhaps we should mothball the academy?

UTB
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We aren't going to improve whilst we have the ageing non performers in my opinion. I don't think the Academy is at fault, they've had a great record unfortunately we've sold most of those gems

Yeovil have done a fantastic job. One question I would be asking is why can Yeovil get a youth loan so right (Dan Burn from Fulham for example) and we constantly fail with the Cofies and O'Hallorans of this world ?

And of course they signed Paddy Madden, why can't we scout and sign these type of players ?

Why are we so useless at cost effective loans ?
 
UnitedBlade said:
We aren't going to improve whilst we have the ageing non performers in my opinion. I don't think the Academy is at fault, they've had a great record unfortunately we've sold most of those gems

Yeovil have done a fantastic job. One question I would be asking is why can Yeovil get a youth loan so right (Dan Burn from Fulham for example) and we constantly fail with the Cofies and O'Hallorans of this world ?

And of course they signed Paddy Madden, why can't we scout and sign these type of players ?

Why are we so useless at cost effective loans ?
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Serious suggestion.

The managers we have are given more money than their counterparts so instead of looking at the £1K/week players they look at those who cost more and often this catches the ones nearing the end of their careers.

Why spend half the money you are given and then have to answer as to why you failed; spend it all - it may give you a better chance. Human nature?

History shows it is not the way forward.
 
UnitedBlade said:
We aren't going to improve whilst we have the ageing non performers in my opinion. I don't think the Academy is at fault, they've had a great record unfortunately we've sold most of those gems

Yeovil have done a fantastic job. One question I would be asking is why can Yeovil get a youth loan so right (Dan Burn from Fulham for example) and we constantly fail with the Cofies and O'Hallorans of this world ?

And of course they signed Paddy Madden, why can't we scout and sign these type of players ?

Why are we so useless at cost effective loans ?
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I think we all agree about cutting right back on signing old pro's.

I think everyone's stumped about why our loans so regularly don't work out - unless of course it's the likes of Forte who are just a measure of incompetence within the club.

We should always remind oursleves though that looking backwards for success stories is easy. Finding the predictive factors is the hard part.

Start by not overpaying salaries and targeting youth, so you can easily turnover players that don't fit in or work out. Then appoint managers who have at least statistically proved some worth, even if it's under the radar by keeping a shite club punching well above its' weight - for example Adkins at Scunthorpe some years ago. Avoid the likes of Southgate, please.

UTB
 
this seasons loans were easy to forcast has hopeless werent they?

forte is shite. its not exactly a well kept secret.
cofie, despite all the hype, was a kid who has never done shit.
poleon maybe a bit surprising he didnt do more, though still a kid, but he joined a sinking ship by then.

this idea that loans cant work or are a lottery is a nonsense.
theyre exactly like every other signing, you need to do your homework not just sign random players and hope it works out.

where were we when yeovil were signing that madden geezer for 20k? we employ scouts for something.
the main problem we have is we never sign anybody. we need to be going out looking at players to actually sign.
instead of just waiting til were in the shit and signing the first old duffer or loan that comes along.

murphy was a good deal, ok hes not set the world alight so far but its early days for him. we need to be making more signings like that. promising players who dont cost much. some will work out, some wont. but we wont know unless we start signing 5 or 6 of em every season. kitson, higginarse, robson, forte, poleon, cofie how much money did we waste putting together those deals? bet we could have bought 4 or 5 heavily scouted cheap players for the money we wasted on that shower of shite.
 



alcoblade said:
We should always remind oursleves though that looking backwards for success stories is easy. Finding the predictive factors is the hard part.

Start by not overpaying salaries and targeting youth, so you can easily turnover players that don't fit in or work out.

UTB
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I would agree with that, taking Yeovil as the example again.

9 permanent signings before the season
4 permanent signings in the JTW

16 loans: cycled a lot in and out. Sensibly kept Burn for most of the season on loan.

The really difficult one is the manager - I have no confidence we will appoint someone who is up to the job.
 
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