FA - No action against Morgan

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24 hours has passed since the FA announced that Ipswich midfielder David Norris has been charged with improper conduct following his goal celebration in the game with Blackpool earlier this month just 24 hours after the FA confirmed that Sheffield United's Chris Morgan has escaped any punishment following his challenge on Iain Hume. I think.
 

48 Hours has now passed since the FA decided that they was not going to charge Chris Morgan.

During that time i have been to the birth, death and marriages department of Barnsley Metropolitian Council and managed to trace the family stump of each and every member of the picturesque South Yorkshire former mining time of Barnsley
 
But the damage caused was by the actions of Morgan. Barnsley did not cause his injury.

Yeah no doubt about that with regards to the initial injury, but I think what he was trying to be say was that maybe Barnsley's medical staff missed something and that in turn might have contributed to the seriousness of the situation. ie. contributory negligence.

It would be quite funny if they sued Sheffield United only to find their own staff joined in the action by SU and ended up having to make some payment to Hume themselves!

Also, whilst I haven't seen the challenge myself, there is room for contact in sport without it breaching any duty of care. I think they'd have to prove deliberate intent to injure or recklessness in the tackle in that it deliberately breached the laws of the game in order to prove liability.

So personally I think the question ultimately is going to hinge on whether or not the elbow was entirely accidental.

The fact that the sports governing body appear to have adjudged the tackle to be lawful within the rules of the game whilst not conclusive is going to weigh heavily against Barnsley in my opinion.
 
Yeah no doubt about that with regards to the initial injury, but I think what he was trying to be say was that maybe Barnsley's medical staff missed something and that in turn might have contributed to the seriousness of the situation. ie. contributory negligence.

It would be quite funny if they sued Sheffield United only to find their own staff joined in the action by SU and ended up having to make some payment to Hume themselves!

Yup, that's exactly what was being said.

Pastyblade said:
Also, whilst I haven't seen the challenge myself, there is room for contact in sport without it breaching any duty of care. I think they'd have to prove deliberate intent to injure or recklessness in the tackle in that it deliberately breached the laws of the game in order to prove liability.

So personally I think the question ultimately is going to hinge on whether or not the elbow was entirely accidental.

Not sure. Although the burden of proof in a civil suit is lower than in a criminal matter, I don't see intent being the main argument. I see it as being no more than a personal injury claim from Hume himself, which potentially brings in Barnsley's own staff, and the fact that his job puts him in a position where personal injury is a real possibility week in, week out.

And it was a shocking challenge, make no mistake.

Pastyblade said:
The fact that the sports governing body appear to have adjudged the tackle to be lawful within the rules of the game whilst not conclusive is going to weigh heavily against Barnsley in my opinion.

Well that's not true is it? It was illegal under the Laws, but they can't do anything about it. I honestly think what would really go against any action would be Barnsley's own (in)actions. It seems reasonable to me to argue that that by not getting Hume checked out immediately (despite acknowledging that there was a serious head injury), Barnsley contributed to the extent of the injury. After all, he ended up being considerably worse off than when he left the field.

It's possible (but not certain) that had he been treated at a hospital immediately, he may not have ended up as ill as he became.

Then again, I'm not a lawyer :D
 
Barnsley Fans got their response from the FA when they e-mailed them.

Thank you for your e-mail. I can appreciate your frustration for, what you consider to be, inconsistencies in refereeing and disciplinary decisions. However, I must emphasise that cases have to be judged on an individual basis and we have to consider the challenge itself (in real time) and not simply the outcome of the challenge. We can not upgrade yellow cards to red cards after a match due to FIFA directives and therefore can only charge a player if we can prove 'beyond doubt' that he deliberately went out to injure an opponent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A44217443

That response went down badly with the dingles.
 
Why is the cock end dingle manager going on about suing saying its the same as us suing west ham as 1 player can change the course of the game?

How can he compare an accident on the football field to knowingly cheating, lying about it and doing it again.


If that is the case... are we now suing Chelsea for millions after our best striker got injured and 1 goal would have kept us up?

Davey = Nob
 
On current evidence I wouldn't trust Simon Davey to find his arse with both hands.

And have you heard the moaning Dingle fuckwits on the radio?
If juries were all made up of Dingles then everyone in court would be guilty before their bums touched the bench in the dock.
 
Yup, that's exactly what was being said.

Not sure. Although the burden of proof in a civil suit is lower than in a criminal matter, I don't see intent being the main argument. I see it as being no more than a personal injury claim from Hume himself, which potentially brings in Barnsley's own staff, and the fact that his job puts him in a position where personal injury is a real possibility week in, week out.

Using the word intent was possibly a little misleading. However, I would think you either need deliberate intent or reckless disregard for the other player / rules of the game. Both would seem to imply some conscious decision made by the player to put his arm out. If however, it was totally accidental in that he hadn't even realised that he'd put his arm out, could he have been reckless for the other players safety and thus negligent, when he had no knowledge that the danger existed?

Does not the Duty of Care say that your neighbour "is persons who are so closely and directly affected by my act that I ought reasonably to have them in contemplation as being so affected when I am directing my mind to the acts or omissions which are called in question."

This raises an interesting point. How could you contemplate the effect on your neighbour if you didn't direct your mind to the raising of your elbow because you didn't even know you were doing it?

Is this not the difference between an accident and a tortious act. An accident is something whether the party couldn't have foreseen the danger. A tortious act is one where they could have forseen the danger and that by failing to act or by means of an act they carried out there was a possibility of injury to another which they then went on to fail to alleviate.

This is where I think Barnsley potentially have a problem. In my opinion, they need to in some way prove that Morgan knew he was putting his arm out in order to show that he was reckless with regards to the safety of Hume and thus negligent. This is quite hard to do in my opinion as it wasn't the tackle that caused the injury but something ancillary to it. Its quite easy to show reckless disregard if someone goes in too hard for example as you know what you are doing and with how much force when making the tackle and thus are aware of the danger of injury from excessive force. But here the injury arose not directly out of the tackle but something ancillary to it, ie the raising of the arm, so proving that he actually knew he was carrying out the ancillary act is in my opinion essential to establish that he should have contemplated the effect and thus danger on his neighbour.




Well that's not true is it? It was illegal under the Laws, but they can't do anything about it.

It is illegal to deliberately use an arm but an accidental clash? I don't think thats against the laws of the game.

Its like saying an accidental clash of heads and a head butt are the same thing. The former isn't against the rules but the latter is, even though they both involve essentially the same act, a meeting of heads.



Then again, like I said earlier, I haven't seen the tackle so didn't see what actually went on.
 
Record companies are taking action to ensure major new albums by Take That and Britney Spears reach shops after a leading CD distributor collapsed.

Woolworths' distribution arm Entertainment UK (EUK) stopped deliveries to stores after the company was put into administration, just 24 hours after the FA confirmed that Sheffield United's Chris Morgan has escaped any punishment following his challenge on Iain Hume.
 
Action should have been taken against Morgan.

Terrible challenge.
I'm sure the referee gave him a card of some description. Christmas? Birthday?
Action was taken. He got a yellow card. The fact that we all know it should have been a red is immaterial.
Oh, the ref did give him a card. Which is action taken. I thought I'd missed that.
 

Im off out to smash someones skull in now.

I hope i only get a yellow card.

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Im off out to smash someones skull in now.

I hope i only get a yellow card.

You'd also hope that if you did (accidently or not) smash someone's skull in the paramedic who attended would spot that it was broken would you not?

As has already been refered to, you weren't here harping on about Johnson trying to 'smash someones skull in' were you?
 
Even if he had've been given a red card... he would have served his suspension.

So erm... what's the status on the whingers now?

One other statistic - this is the second, or even third game in a row in which Sheffield United have had NO cards, neither yellow, nor red. I wonder if there have been moves behind the scenes to check out any of the evidence of inappropriate team-talks and poor on-field discipline and style of tackling. I know - it's the FA, so it isn't very likely, but I just think that there might be more going on behind the scenes.

There be conspiracies from the Dingles...
 
MP tables motion over Hume affair

Barnsley MP Eric Illsley wants the FA to reconsider punishing Sheffield United captain Chris Morgan for his elbow on Reds striker Iain Hume.

Illsley has tabled an Early Day Motion in the House of Commons over the incident in the Yorkshire derby match.

He told BBC Radio Sheffield: "The FA can't hide behind the respect agenda and at the same time let this kind conduct is going on.

"My call is for the Football Association to take a stronger line."

The FA decided not to take any further action against Morgan after reviewing video evidence sent to them by Barnsley.

Illsley has demanded in the motion to the Commons that the FA change their mind or get rid of Respect campaign all together.

"The Football Association need to review this decision and either to take action against what can only be described as violent conduct or abandon its Respect Agenda in view of the lack of protection given to Iain Hume and the complete failure to deal properly with this issue."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/barnsley/7767158.stm

For gods sake leave the situation alone.
 
MP tables motion over Hume affair.

What a joke....................the UK is going downhill fast..........the bankers made a reight job of the banks but nowt like Wobble Gob Brown and his mates will do..........last to leave turn the lights out !
 
In all fairness, our case against West Ham had nothing to do with politics but at least one politician tabled an Early Day Motion about it in the House of Commons.
 
In all fairness, our case against West Ham had nothing to do with politics but at least one politician tabled an Early Day Motion about it in the House of Commons.

and the ironic thing is, the only one (if I recall correctly) that did it in support of the Blades is a pig fan!
 
MPs join call to review Hume case

Five MPs have joined the call for the Football Association to review Chris Morgan's challenge on Barnsley striker Iain Hume.

Labour MP Eric Illsley tabled an early day motion demanding the FA look again at the incident at Oakwell last month, which left Hume with a fractured skull.

Sheffield United defender Morgan escaped further punishment after getting a yellow card for the elbow.

But now the FA is now facing increasing pressure to look at the case again.

Livingstone MP Jim Devine and Barnsley West MP Michael Clapham are the latest to lend their support to the motion.

Portsmouth South MP Mike Hancock, Broxtowe MP Nick Palmer and Keighkey MP Ann Cryer had already added their signatures after it was tabled last Friday.

Hume, 25, spent 24 hours in intensive care after undergoing emergency surgery on his injury.

The FA investigated the incident but concluded they could not prove Morgan had intended to injure him.

But the MPs disagree and Illsley has called for the FA to drop their Respect campaign until the case is reviewed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/barnsley/7775316.stm

More MP's join the bandwagon to gain some votes.

Also on the dingles website aswell where once again Hume is showing off another picture of his head.

To be honest I am starting to think is Hume personally pursuing this or is he just letting everyone else do it for him. He seems quite happy to show his gash to anyone with a camera.
 

politics should get on with running the country and let the FA do there job.

Il start a petition to review there jobs as MP's. Useless overpaid cockends.
 

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