Excluding Cup Competitions: Who was/is a better manager at their spell at Bramall Lane

[Jimmy23]

Danny Wilson OR Nigel Clough?

Discuss..

 

[dingledog]

I think it's about luck. Your best striker goes to jail, you aren't lucky as he costs your side promotion.

 

[Bill the Butcher]

I think the beginning of last season shows how much of an okay job DW actually did.

 

[Blade82]

Clough without a doubt.

Wilson inherited a good squad but his poor signings (macdonald aside) and bad decision making cost us and him. His hands were tied in his 2nd season but compared to other teams who went up like Yeovil and Brentford he Still had a fair budget. We should have gone up that 1st season and he cost us.

Clough was tidying up Wilson and wiers mess whilst building a good side without chucking money away in hope it gets us up.

 

[wizadry]

It's impossible to say for me at this moment in time, i will give my opinion on this when the seasons up when they've then had roughly the same amount of time. The things you have to look at are how much money did they both spend, what were their respective transfers like, and what did they achieve in their time here. Cloughs' percentage win ratio is very good so if i had to plump for one, he's slightly the favourite out of the two if things continue in an upward curve, although Wilsons' wasn't too shaby either. Ultimately though, if Clough gets us promotion, the titles' obviously his

 

[cal the blade]

definetly clough ! i beleive a mark of a good manager is the memories they leave and clough has far exceeded wilson in that.

 

[Bladepicker]

Why on earth would you exclude the cups?

 

[YES Blade]

Why on earth would you exclude the cups?

Cause the original poster wants to concentrate on the league records?

 

[Going up]

Nigel by a long way. I see him as saving us from disaster, training the team and more importantly, building for the future.

Including the cups, there really is no comparison.

 

[mattbianco1]

If you look at win ratio Clough is highest permanent manager followed by Wilson.

I view this with scepticism as we've only competed in mickey mouse league under both the top managers

 

[S60 unitedite]

I think both have done a good job for the blades but although both have been manager of the red and white wizards in the same league the club was in a different state for each of them.
With danny Wilson he had to pick up a talented but under performing squad and get them playing which he did brilliantly. Especially with the original pressures of him coming from the dark side and he surely knew to keep those talented players he had to do it in his first year.
Clough came into the club once the new owners arrived so there is more of a long term aspect to his job. He did also take over a team low in confidence but it was a side in a false position in the league.
I think although cloughie took us over in the relegation zone behind the scenes the club was more stable and looking to build whereas Wilson had to keep cutting the budget x

 

[SwissBlade]

Danny Wilson OR Nigel Clough?

Discuss..

Why would you exclude the cups?

 

[Bladesway]

Cause the original poster wants to concentrate on the league records?

There you go Swiss. Reposted for those having a senior moment.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Danny Wilson OR Nigel Clough?

Discuss..

All Wilson had to do was win the 3rd division with a team that had players who went on to play at 1st divison level and failed twice.

Clough has had to pick up the fall out from Wilson and Weir failing and build a new culture and a way forward for the club.

Suprised you feel the need to ask?

 

[grafikhaus]

According to Wikipedia:

Danny Wilson:



Nigel Clough:



So, not much in the respective 'win ratios' but of course it goes much deeper than that. Life under DW was turgid - a characteristic he's brought to just about every team he's managed. His 'high point' for us was the 2012 Play-off final - a match that would have sent a glass eye to sleep. Sure, he got Barnsley up to the PL in 1996 and he's still dining out on that. A piss-poor manager (probably one that Steve Claridge alluded to the other week with 'Clubs failing to do due diligence before appointing a manager...')

I'll stick with NC.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I'd say they've done a similar job thus far with neither achieving what they were brought in to do.

Wilson inherited a great (if demoralised) squad and would have taken us up but for circumstances we all know about. He was forced to drastically cut the squad the year after and whilst maybe under-achieving, could still have taken us up that year and was sacked at a ridiculous time.

Clough did a great job last season but has now been given resources and time and whilst you can just about excuse him if we don't go up this season, he will have no excuses next season.

 

[Revolution]

Life under DW was turgid - a characteristic he's brought to just about every team he's managed.

Yeh, 92 goals in a season. Bored the arse off me. I remember yawning my head off at Rochdale 3 years ago when we responded to going behind after 2 minutes by sticking 5 past them in the next 50 minutes. Turgid stuff.

Clough has his merits, but I will never understand why people are so quick to dismiss Wilson's work that year. We certainly aren't going to do as well this season in the league.

 

[TonyAgana]

The 4 seasons that the two managers span, each came with completely different remits: Promotion / Cost-Cut / Stabilise / Rebuild

 

[Revolution]

The 4 seasons that the two managers span, each came with completely different remits: Promotion / Cost-Cut / Stabilise / Rebuild

This season's remit is not rebuild. It is promotion.

And if it isn't, the board need their heads examining.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The 4 seasons that the two managers span, each came with completely different remits: Promotion / Cost-Cut / Stabilise / Rebuild

The interesting thing is that Wilson was still expected to succeed whilst cost-cutting (and re-building), Clough is in a far better position this season but the re-building will be used as a positive and he won't be under the same pressure Wilson was towards the end of the season.

 

[Darren]

The interesting thing is that Wilson was still expected to succeed whilst cost-cutting (and re-building), Clough is in a far better position this season but the re-building will be used as a positive and he won't be under the same pressure Wilson was towards the end of the season.

Will it? If we don't go up this season, it will be a failure.

In fact, any season that SUFC are not promoted from D3 is a failure.

 

[TonyAgana]

This season's remit is not rebuild. It is promotion. And if it isn't, the board need their heads examining.

Clough won't get the sack if we don't get promoted. This season's remit is to rebuild.

The interesting thing is that Wilson was still expected to succeed whilst cost-cutting (and re-building), Clough is in a far better position this season but the re-building will be used as a positive and he won't be under the same pressure Wilson was towards the end of the season.

Yes, the decision to sack Wilson, not just because of the timing, was despicable.

 

[Revolution]

Clough won't get the sack if we don't get promoted. This season's remit is to rebuild.

Yes, the decision to sack Wilson, not just because of the timing, was despicable.

No, the remit must have been promotion. We are the best resourced team in the division, coming off a terrific end to a season, and we have expended a lot of cash in putting this big squad together. They wanted promotion.

And what were we rebuilding? Not much. We lost 3 players from the 1st team, one of whom we could have kept if we wanted.

I agree with you 100% re Wilson's sacking.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Will it? If we don't go up this season, it will be a failure.

In fact, any season that SUFC are not promoted from D3 is a failure.

It will, I'm saying that Clough won't get the sack whereas Wilson did.

 

[Darren]

No, the remit must have been promotion. We are the best resourced team in the division, coming off a terrific end to a season, and we have expended a lot of cash in putting this big squad together. They wanted promotion.

And what were we rebuilding? Not much. We lost 3 players from the 1st team, one of whom we could have kept if we wanted.

I agree with you 100% re Wilson's sacking.

It's a sign of how expectations have been lowered. We get crowds of 20,000 in the 3rd Division and are satisfied with a season "rebuilding"

FFS.

 

[TonyAgana]

And what were we rebuilding? Not much. We lost 3 players from the 1st team, one of whom we could have kept if we wanted.

Clough has replaced more than 3 players, Rev.

 

[Revolution]

It's a sign of how expectations have been lowered. We get crowds of 20,000 in the 3rd Division and are satisfied with a season "rebuilding"

FFS.

I think it's something people say to rationalise in their own minds why we have not expectations this season.

I bet if you asked anyone on the board they would say they expected a top 2 challenge this year.

 

[mattbianco1]

Yeh, 92 goals in a season. Bored the arse off me. I remember yawning my head off at Rochdale 3 years ago when we responded to going behind after 2 minutes by sticking 5 past them in the next 50 minutes. Turgid stuff.

Clough has his merits, but I will never understand why people are so quick to dismiss Wilson's work that year. We certainly aren't going to do as well this season in the league.

You are right in saying it was great in the first season. We had Lowton, Maguire, Williamson S. Quinn, Evans & McDonald - a team capable of a high-end finish in the championship.

Following that season, I would agree with grafikhaus - it got a bit turgid. There weren't many on here that wanted Wilson in charge even when we were top at Christmas in his second season. We were struggling for goals but grinding out wins. Similar in style to Kevin Blackwell.

We had 1 win in 6 when Wilson was sacked. Scoring 2 goals and conceding 7. A 4-0 defeat at Stevenage and a 2-0 home defeat to Crawley were the lowlights.

I personally would've given DW to the end of the season and then got shut if we didn't go up. Danny Wilson has a habit of doing well in his first season in charge then it all goes a bit stale.

I remember he nearly won the league with Bristol City then they lost 2 consecutive play offs. At Swindon - Play Offs in first full season, resigned in 2nd with them in relegation zone - they got relegated.

I think Danny Wilson had his hands tied for much of his time at SUFC. Limited funds, forced to sell before bringing in etc. but the football was dire to watch towards the end. Who knows what he would've achieved with the Prince's backing?

 

[Revolution]

Clough has replaced more than 3 players, Rev.

He has, but you make it sound like the squad we had was nowhere near a top 6 side. It was.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I think it's something people say to rationalise in their own minds why we have not expectations this season.

I bet if you asked anyone on the board they would say they expected a top 2 challenge this year.

Exactly my point, the Board will make excuses (or allowances) for Clough yet, despite the fact he had a worse hand to play with, Wilson was sacked.