Erik Tonne back to Norway ?

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Bergen Blade said:
Two goals in two matches, then nothing. A strange United career.
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Seems fairly normal for most Blades superstars.

Another one of Foxy's man crushes that fails to ignite a career at the lane. Perhaps thats the problem
 
Bergen Blade said:
Two goals in two matches, then nothing. A strange United career.
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If I remember correctly he came in for some criticism for the shape he came back from his York loan spell in last season. Danny Wilson seems to be all about professionalism - maybe he feels he can't trust Tonne?
 
I think it's probably more to do with consistency and strength, he has some good attributes and can be quality... but without those two or showing any sign of them, then it's inevitable we have to shift him on.
 
Like with Philliskirk and Chappel; another baffling move to extend contracts of players who clearly were never going to make it at this level (all of them have played even lower level on loan and not even been regulars or really impressed at respective clubs

He showed a brief glimse for that sub game v Bury and at Burton but in u21 games I have seen he has been totally ineffective and gone through the motions.

People say he has not been given a chance but many of above have barely stood out in u21 games or on loan and if they are the same day to day in training then you can see why Wilson or none of other coaching staff have seen anything to warrant 1st team inclusion. No probs there but just makes it all the more baffling that despite complete and utter lack of progression such players get new contracts. Harriott is another that does not seem to be getting anywhere near (if anything gone backwards and behind Whitehouse). Surely we should move them on if they are not going to make it and at least with Philliskirk and Tonne this may be happening but prob 12 months (and a further drain on wages) too late. I expect Chappel and Harriott to be gone at the end of the season too.
 
I used to have the chief scout as my neighbour many moons ago in Rotherham called Neville Briggs,who incidently found Andy Gray and Alan Hansen,the Blades could not afford them.
One conversation out of numerous sticks in my mind and that was while there are many good young players who do well in junior and under 20's football, there are very few that actually make it into a first team slot and continue to do well.
He said that out of 500 players who did well at younger levels,if one came through you had done well.
Probably explains why we have so many excelling at this level but fail to go any further and drift away into non league football.
May be this is that despite the clamour of fans for them to play Wilson finds they just are not good enough for the first team.
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Whitehouse and Diego have only been in and around the 1st team squad this year; and to be honest in the latters case only the reserves/u21s since start of season. Whitehouse had a bad injury but was knocking on door at start of season.

Both these are younger than the others I believe (could be wrong). Chappel, Philliskirk and Tonne have been with club and in and around reserves/first team for 2 seasons. They have all had loan spells lower down and not really impressed particularly nor even been regulars at respective clubs.

Other than a 5 minute cameo from Tonne v Bury (did not go to Burton) I have never come away from reserves or bits of first team and thought they should definitely be starting or regulars on bench.

I have not seen enough of Barry but games I have seen at u21's/reserves he has not particularly stood out. Those who watch that level could offer more of an opinion. Bits and pieces I have seen Whitehouse and Diego do seem to have some promise but like with players before them (Ian Ross? ) they have to take next step up (granted Diego may now be next Xmas before we see him again)
 
Bergen Blade said:
What about Barry, Kennedy and Whitehouse, will they leave too?
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Whitehouse will definitely stay, he is still a very good prospect. The metatarsel has really done for his season.

Again I think Barry was recovering from a broken leg at the beginning of the season ? Not sure he'll break through.

On Kennedy, I'd prefer to see him developed as a right back now. I do think you probably need to be over 6 foot to play centre back these days.

Harriott in my opinion will not make it.

I actually wouldn't write Chappy off yet. He's had some very good U21 games this season. I'd take a punt on another season for him.

The other good piece of news is Callum McFadzean has forced his way into Wilson's thinking. Whole-hearted player who can pass a ball and I think he wants it. Didn't go to Stevenage but got good reviews.
 
As for Kennedy I did not go to Donny but those that went gave mixed opinions. A few said he looked out of his depth and at best that he tried hard and did not not hide. He has barely been involved since but he played more out of need than him being ready particularly.

He has looked promising (Youth cup run but that was 2 years ago and has he progresses since then? - bad injuroes not helped) and was rated but he is 20 this year and you would expect him to push hard next season (loan spell somewhere first?) or he may have to move on.

I think thing with Kennedy is he is not particularly fast not tall and that makes it hard at centre back reall even though for u21's etc he seems as brave as a lion and reads game quite well and is a fairly competent footballer.

Some players do develop late and push on but normally by age of 20/21 if players are going to make it....you would expect them to be in and around the first team regularly so for a fair few, Kennedy, Barry, Whitehouse (think he could have a chance from bits I have seen), Chapell and Harriot I think you would agree if they have not got to this level in 12 months will probably move on but unsure we can say they are good enough or not had enough chances if they cant make or be around a pretty poor squad (ours) in third tier of pyramid.

Again all just my opinions but the coaches (not just Wilson) see these day in day out. If they were that good they would be given a chance espcially considering some of poor players and underperformers currently in first team.
 
Kentblade said:
May be this is that despite the clamour of fans for them to play Wilson finds they just are not good enough for the first team.
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But Richard Cresswell played 20 times for us this season, looked rubbish in most of them, before the management also suddenly realised he wasn't good enough and gave him away. Chris Porter was first choice alongside Kitson, then all of a sudden, the management decided to agree with the fans who said it was a disasterous pairing, and not just dropped him, but sent him away on loan too. Marcus Williams played 24 games, not very well, before vanishing completely. Dave McAllister started the season as first choice in a position/role he didn't look comfortable in. Everybody saw this, but it took 17 games before the management also came to that conclusion and sold him.

It would be easier to understand why young players weren't introduced/blooded/given a chance during the first half of this season if the first team was flying with all players looking the part.
 
Bergen but as many are saying who have watched u21's etc many have not really impressed. I remember when Chappel came on v Port Vale and he looked like s startled rabbit and could not even lift the ball to cross it. He's nearly 22! I agree I think Creswell, Williams and Porter are not good enough but sadly even they have had the odd good game for us and played at a reasonable level. The youngsters have been on loan and done nothing; Philliskirk could not get in Oxford team , Tonne ditto at York. It seems not only our own coaching staff dont think they can make the grade.

I think we have some promising youngsters like Diego, Whitehouse and McFadzean. Ironisde is a trier but unsure he has any real stand out qualities in terms of being centre forward - heading, scoring, pace etc (calling it as I see it).

I have seen 3 or 4 u21 games this season and nearly ever game the likes of Tonne, Chappel, Philliskirk etc have been poor. They have not even really stood out for effort. If that is how they are most games and training I can see why Wilson (whatever faults he does have) does not pick them.

We have to accept for most clubs brining through 1 youngster a year is a huge achievement (look aat Liverpool's lack of progression of own youngsters in last 10-15 years, Shelvey and Sterling were signed from outside club). Not all will make it and just because some of our own 1st team are clearly inadquate does not mean there are 5 or 6 we can plug in to replace them.

Personally I think we have done well with young players and cannot blame Wilson or previous managers for this. We do play them if they are good enough (dieog ought to have been given his bow before his injury though for me)Tthe weakest part of our club has been scouting extenrally for youngsters/players. Blackman and Miller were 2 nice finds which is more promising but some of players we have signed (Westlake, McAllister, Tonne etc) are clearly no better than what we have.

Surely there are some gems in non league/league 2 that could be had relatively cheap and would love to be at a club like outs and be on small wages?
 
We have to accept for most clubs brining through 1 youngster a year is a huge achievement (look aat Liverpool's lack of progression of own youngsters in last 10-15 years, Shelvey and Sterling were signed from outside club). Not all will make it and just because some of our own 1st team are clearly inadquate does not mean there are 5 or 6 we can plug in to replace them.
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92 league clubs all with 16 player squads at least, makes you wonder just who does find all the new players, some one must find them Crewe can't be doing it all on their own.
 



Tønne scored his first goal for Ham Kam today, a header in a 1-0 derby win. Good win for Brian Deane's Sarpsborg today as well, a 1-0 away win means they move up to 8th, which is mid-table. They've won 2, drawn 4 and lost 1 so far.



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generally if a player is good enough you can tell really early. obviously there are exceptions but not many.
almost every player that "isnt quite ready yet" that we give contract extensions to, ends up getting released 2 or 3 years later. its a waste on money. they may go on to do ok with other clubs, but thats useless to us once weve let em go. ive no doubt tonne will do ok, but it was apparent last year he was never going to get in our team.

out of the current batch, its apparent to me that chappel and ironside probably wont make it with us. face it weve got porter and kitson up front, neither would get near the starting line up in half the teams in the division, and he looks a worse option than either of those. hes a trier and will probably do ok somewhere else but hes unlikely to ever be a regular for us. hope im wrong obviously.

whitehouse and kennedy are borderline. they need games to make a real decision on them and may get them next season. mcfadzean clearly has enough for this level and needs to be starting more games. hes clumsy as hell, his inexperience makes him a bit of a liability at times, but hes enthusiastic and given more games he could turn into a really decent player. diego clearly has considerable potential too.
 
Another goal from Tønne today in a 3-1 win. They're now third in the table.

Deano's Sarpsborg lost 5-0 at Tromsø.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Ham Kam are in the second tier, and the standard isn't great. But I think it's a better arena for players to develop than the U21 league and I bet Tønne is pleased Wilson is gone.
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he's not on his own mate
could never understand why he wasn't given a proper chance..especially if you consider that flynn seemed to play every game (he puts a shift in yadda yadda).. i think wilson had his favourites.. he was loathe to even take them off if they were shocking (Doyle)
 
Wait, we still own this chump? I thought he'd been packed off permanently, not just on loan. Ah well.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
He looks a proper skinny runt here. I thought he was supposed to have been unfit? All those Kjøttkaker seem to have had a positive effect.
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He's never looked unfit in terms of build, more in terms of application and raw effort - not that chasing down is really his game.

I still maintain his main problems in getting more of a look in were consistency and upper body strength. Not that we really have those in abundance elsewhere :)

Be good to see him coming back confident and fit pre-season for a very last go at it... He's definitely got talent and something different.

Despite many suggesting I have an obsession with him, I haven't really kept an eye on how he's been doing over there... Where are they playing him Bergen Blade ?
 
Foxy said:
He's never looked unfit in terms of build, more in terms of application and raw effort - not that chasing down is really his game.

I still maintain his main problems in getting more of a look in were consistency and upper body strength. Not that we really have those in abundance elsewhere :)

Be good to see him coming back confident and fit pre-season for a very last go at it... He's definitely got talent and something different.

Despite many suggesting I have an obsession with him, I haven't really kept an eye on how he's been doing over there... Where are they playing him Bergen Blade ?
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He's been playing as the central striker in a 4-3-3 formation the past few games. Before that he played left wing. I think all three of his goals have been headers, bit surprising. I had the same impression as you regarding chasing down etc but his manager has praised him for doing exactly that.
 
Tønne scored another today, his fourth in eleven games. They won 3-0 away at the league leaders (before the game), for whom Kristoffer Løkberg plays.
 



I do wish people would stop comparing playing in front of 18000 against 50 at Shirecliffe for an u21 game. People react very different in different scenarios and there is no reason some of our youngsters including Tonne should be written off because some of you have seen them play at Shirecliffe. They need to be given game time and this is one of the reasons I hated Wilson.

Guardiola was the youth team coach at Barcelona and when he got the main job the first thing he did was bring through Busquets and Pedro who most people at Barcelona didn't think were very good. Your opinions on them may vary but they definitely suited how Barcelona were set up to play. They shined with the spotlight yet were not considered good enough when playing in front of small crowds.

Jack Lester used to tell me that back when Andy Parkinson was at the club, he was the best player by far in training. Could do things all the team couldn't dream of doing. Put him infront of a crowd however and he was shit.

Just because for example Tonne couldn't play left wing for a team set up by Danny Wilson doesn't mean he wouldn't suit a 442 setup by David Weird. We can only hope that we have a manager who can spot this type of thing and this is why I was very keen on someone new and untried and had new ideas.

It is very easy for us all to write off our players but let us hope we have someone who can make a few diamonds out of the rough
 
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