Doyle?

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Bladesman said:
They wanted something silly like £17million for him and then discounted him massively for Wolves so they could land Nunes.
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Seem to remember Foxy suggesting at the time that even that might be a conservative estimate for what we’d been quoted.
 

Houso said:
Regardless, a 50% sell on clause is fucking ridiculous and an indictment of the state of the game. That the bigger clubs can cherry pick the best youngsters, bring them through and then implement such sell ons is a huge part of the problem.
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It takes two clubs to make a transfer. Wolves weren't forced to accept City's terms and could easily have told them to fuck off
 
jt64 said:
It takes two clubs to make a transfer. Wolves weren't forced to accept City's terms and could easily have told them to fuck off
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And you don't think that it's an issue that to get the player there needed to be a 50% sell on? Let's get this shit straight, City didnt need to sell Doyle.
 
I've seen him a couple of times recently.

He looks pretty comfortable, heavily involved in the play, makes himself available & moves it on. Doesn't play many probing passes and not exactly a DM either. I'll be intrigued to see how he develops but I'd be surprised if he progresses much further than where he is (which is still an outstanding career).

*not that it needs much more clarification, but we didn't really "miss out" on Doyle.
He wouldn't accept a relegation clause for 1 & we were quoted a substantial sum for his services (nothing like the Wolves figure which is diluted by the Nunes swap).
A young, English, PL level midfielder doesn't go for less than £15m. We didn't have that.
Non-starter for several reasons.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I've seen him a couple of times recently.

He looks pretty comfortable, heavily involved in the play, makes himself available & moves it on. Doesn't play many probing passes and not exactly a DM either. I'll be intrigued to see how he develops but I'd be surprised if he progresses much further than where he is (which is still an outstanding career).

*not that it needs much more clarification, but we didn't really "miss out" on Doyle.
He wouldn't accept a relegation clause for 1 & we were quoted a substantial sum for his services (nothing like the Wolves figure which is diluted by the Nunes swap).
A young, English, PL level midfielder doesn't go for less than £15m. We didn't have that.
Non-starter for several reasons.
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Agreed, we had about as much chance as we did with Cole Palmer.
 
Houso said:
And you don't think that it's an issue that to get the player there needed to be a 50% sell on? Let's get this shit straight, City didnt need to sell Doyle.
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Half their business model is hoovering up enormous numbers of decent youngsters and selling them on to lesser teams for massive profits, both at the point of transfer and in future dealings. The other half is cheating. They didn't need to sell Doyle, no, but it kind of negates their business plan if nobody deals with them
 
Yogi said:
Seem to remember Foxy suggesting at the time that even that might be a conservative estimate for what we’d been quoted.
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Sounds very likely. Man City and their playthings. Hopefully be a mutiny when they win the league again.
 
jt64 said:
It takes two clubs to make a transfer. Wolves weren't forced to accept City's terms and could easily have told them to fuck off
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It’s probably quite unique though too.

How ordinarily could get get Tommy Doyle for about 5m?

You can understand City wanting a slice of a bigger fee to make it more representative.

If they’d bought him for 12m or 15m then I doubt City would be asking that.
 

Wolves agree permanent deal for Doyle​

Wolves have activated the option to turn midfielder Tommy Doyle’s loan into a permanent deal.
The 22-year-old has spent the season on loan from Manchester City but has penned a four-year contract to tie him at Molinuex until 2028, with the option of another two years.
Doyle, who made seven appearances for City having come through the youth system, has played 30 times for Wolves this season as they look set for a mid-table finish in the Premier League.
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Sporting director Matt Hobbs said: “We’ve never seen Tommy as a player on loan, and he hasn’t acted like one.
“He’s gradually earned more minutes and become more important, which I think is an ideal first year. What he offers to our midfield is something different to the others, so there was a huge amount of inevitability to this.
“He buys into who we are as a club and what we’re trying to create culturally within the group.
“He’s a great player to have for what we’re trying to achieve off the pitch and he gives us so much on the pitch, so he’s the exact type of player I think Wolves should be signing.
“If you look at the type of players we like to sign as a football club, they generally haven’t reached their ceiling yet and have loads more to come.
“Tommy is a fraction of the player he will become, with the more he gets used to the league and the greater his understanding gets.
“I’m really excited for now but also his future at Wolves.”
 
Any owner with half a bob would've made Doyle a priority this summer - Hamer, Doyle, Arblaster suddenly looks a dynamic, competent midfield. Wouldn't have kept us up but would have saved us having to send on an ageing Norwood or bemoan the lack of a fit T Davies
 
MojoMuffin said:

Wolves agree permanent deal for Doyle​

Wolves have activated the option to turn midfielder Tommy Doyle’s loan into a permanent deal.
The 22-year-old has spent the season on loan from Manchester City but has penned a four-year contract to tie him at Molinuex until 2028, with the option of another two years.
Doyle, who made seven appearances for City having come through the youth system, has played 30 times for Wolves this season as they look set for a mid-table finish in the Premier League.
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Sporting director Matt Hobbs said: “We’ve never seen Tommy as a player on loan, and he hasn’t acted like one.
“He’s gradually earned more minutes and become more important, which I think is an ideal first year. What he offers to our midfield is something different to the others, so there was a huge amount of inevitability to this.
“He buys into who we are as a club and what we’re trying to create culturally within the group.
“He’s a great player to have for what we’re trying to achieve off the pitch and he gives us so much on the pitch, so he’s the exact type of player I think Wolves should be signing.
“If you look at the type of players we like to sign as a football club, they generally haven’t reached their ceiling yet and have loads more to come.
“Tommy is a fraction of the player he will become, with the more he gets used to the league and the greater his understanding gets.
“I’m really excited for now but also his future at Wolves.”
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😭
 
joe casey said:
Any owner with half a bob would've made Doyle a priority this summer - Hamer, Doyle, Arblaster suddenly looks a dynamic, competent midfield. Wouldn't have kept us up but would have saved us having to send on an ageing Norwood or bemoan the lack of a fit T Davies
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Eh? He was always signing permanently for Wolves. They couldn't afford him last year as they were too close to the FFP limit but they've got space for summer 2024.

We were also quoted £15m+ with a massive sell on clause, while Doyle wanted £40k per week with no relegation wage drop. I suppose we could have sold him on this summer but we didn't have the funds so the point is moot.
 

Saw that city have a 50% sell on clause as part of the deal and of course Matheus Nunes deal factored in.
 
In reality we probably couldn't afford him but he was one I'd have really liked to get
 
I doubt they would have been requesting a 50% sell-on clause if we’d have been paying 15m for him.

Maybe he wouldn’t have accepted a relegation clause. But perhaps this is the direction you have to go with one or two.

Penny wise pound foolish.

Pretty sure we could have not gone for Traore, Souza and Slimane and then been able to afford him.

I know what I would rather have had, Doyle or those three, and we were speaking to him long before Wolves were even sniffing.

Imagine having a midfield of Doyle, Arblaster and Hamer this past few months.

Lose Berge, gain Doyle. Lose Ndiaye and add Hamer and McAtee and play the latter in Ndiaye’s spot.

Have a more robust midfield three and a number 10 off a striker and no worse off financially.

That would have been far more logical than some of the nonsense business we did.
 
Somewhere right now is the next Tommy Doyle ready to be snapped up on the cheap


But there's also a Ravel Morrison waiting on a phone call so it's over to you Chris....
 
RWE said:
Great player, great attitude. Wish him all the best. Good move for him
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We've had some great loan players recently who've really bought in to the seasons they were involved in, showing good ability but even better attitudes. Doyle, MGW, McAtee, Henderson and to a lesser extent BBD, Madine.
 
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