Doyle?

[CaptainMorgans]

And we still did better than we would have with him in the team. Because what we had was better.

OK, you knew Doyle & McAtee were going to come in and solve all of our midfield problems.
Will bow down to your visionary abilities.

 

[dc_blade]

OK, you knew Doyle & McAtee were going to come in and solve all of our midfield problems.
Will bow down to your visionary abilities.

I didn't. I do know that form is different than ability and it's foolish to judge players on small sample sizes.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I didn't. I do know that form is different than ability and it's foolish to judge players on small sample sizes.

I was one of the few that backed McAtee throughout the season to come good.
Doyle hadn't done much to impress.

Our midfield were woeful last season in several games despite results and league position.

It wasn't crazy to think we could have done with reinforcements, particularly given our constant injury crisis. Barlaser was local, cheap and performing very well at Rotherham.

Anyway, we'll go around in circles all day on this.
Can feel you're in a bit of an argumentative mood so I'll swerve it.

 

[dc_blade]

I was one of the few that backed McAtee throughout the season to come good.
Doyle hadn't done much to impress.

Our midfield were woeful last season in several games despite results and league position.

It wasn't crazy to think we could have done with reinforcements, particularly given our constant injury crisis. Barlaser was local, cheap and performing very well at Rotherham.

Anyway, we'll go around in circles all day on this.
Can feel you're in a bit of an argumentative mood so I'll swerve it.

I didn't want to get rid of either of them. I thought Doyle was doing ok and I looked at how he'd done at Cardiff and thought the chances were he'd continue to play a role for us. Form vs ability.

I will say that I thought Norwood was playing well and that we ought to keep him in the team. I was right about the first part but clearly wrong about the second. Doyle ended up being a better fit--a case of the whole being great than the sum of its parts.

Absolutely your right to swerve whatever conversation you like, of course. But if you make these very bold statements on a public forum and they end up being cobblers, people will call you out on them. Especially argumentative so-and-sos like me.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

If City have got Doyle on over 50k that really is stupid. As if they simply want to enrich the player as much as possible. Because all it will do is obstruct a sale. Imagine setting that kind of wage as your baseline for youth players unlikely to get near the team. Filthy rich

 

[Yogi]

I think what’s not been factored in by us into why City might have managed to get himself a good deal as a youngster is his PR value to owners who bought the club purely for PR reasons. He’s the grandson of two City legends and having him coming through these last few years helps to tie the modern City era to the old. Now that not valuable enough for them to keep him when he’s not in the managers plans but it might’ve increased his value to them in the academy.

 

[Keen Blade]

It’s be surprising and concerning if his wages were too high. Yes he plays for Man City, but I doubt they’re paying him 30k a week plus, given he’s not really played a game for them and seems way down their pecking order.

Didn’t the Prince say wages wouldn’t be an issue?

As long as there's a relegation reduction

 

[Keen Blade]

Fucking hell. It's getting to a point where getting circa £170m for promotion to the Prem isn't enough to cover expected fees and wages of all those with their noses in the trough.

We know it definitely is NOT enough - and it's £170m over 3 years - only about £120m in first season and compared to established clubs , who can trade players without necessarily losing money , us newbies have to fund transfer fees AND wages from first year income , which automatically puts us at a big disadvantage

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I thought Doyle played well last season, and has a lot of the attributes Utd supporters look for - energy, determination, steel, skill and likes a tackle. He also scores goals from midfield.

The season before we played Cardiff and their supporters were raving about him before the game about what a good player he was. I was pleased when we got him for the season and I haven't deviated from that.

He's 21, an England U21 midfielder, with fantastic pedigree and coming from the best club in Europe where he's on the verge of their first team squad, AND he wants to join us.

Genuinely, what's not to like about that???

Some of the sandy vaginas on here really boil my piss - no suggested player is ever good enough for some of them - too old, too young, injury prone, too expensive, too cheap FFS. Some on here wouldn't sign Messi as he's too small, and Ronaldo because he styles his hair....

Doyle's a good player who is young and likely to get much better, he fits our model perfectly.

Get him signed

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

I thought Doyle played well last season, and has a lot of the attributes Utd supporters look for - energy, determination, steel, skill and likes a tackle. He also scores goals from midfield.

The season before we played Cardiff and their supporters were raving about him before the game about what a good player he was. I was pleased when we got him for the season and I haven't deviated from that.

He's 21, an England U21 midfielder, with fantastic pedigree and coming from the best club in Europe where he's on the verge of their first team squad, AND he wants to join us.

Genuinely, what's not to like about that???

Some of the sandy vaginas on here really boil my piss - no suggested player is ever good enough for some of them - too old, too young, injury prone, too expensive, too cheap FFS. Some on here wouldn't sign Messi as he's too small, and Ronaldo because he styles his hair....

Doyle's a good player who is young and likely to get much better, he fits our model perfectly.

Get him signed

Sorry, could only.give one thumbs up, needed about 50.

 

[Blade56]

Is Doyle seen as a replacement for Norwood? If so I understand the signing, or is he fighting for a place playing ahead of Norwood in midfield?

If it’s the latter are we best not using the money getting someone who can get the goals from the midfield options we already have?

Would love him to sign but it’s a balancing act between the money and where we need to strengthen. Heckys judgement.

 

[jono_t2000]

Is Doyle seen as a replacement for Norwood? If so I understand the signing, or is he fighting for a place playing ahead of Norwood in midfield?

If it’s the latter are we best not using the money getting someone who can get the goals from the midfield options we already have?

Would love him to sign but it’s a balancing act between the money and where we need to strengthen. Heckys judgement.

Feeling we've hit a road block on Doyle. I would say very low chance of him coming now.

 

[Booker4]

Feeling we've hit a road block on Doyle. I would say very low chance of him coming now.

Wonder if Davies is the alternative to Doyle?

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Wonder if Davies is the alternative to Doyle?

Jimmy on the Ramble is of the opinion we won’t get Doyle. He seemed quite sure of it which is in sharp contrast to most on here at the time.

 

[Macfarlane21]

I'm pretty sure it came out a few weeks ago that Doyle is on about 70kpw for City. All the big clubs stick their youth player on big money and long deals just in case they turn good.

Let's say despite him being a boyhood city fan Doyle wants to come to us. And he's willing to sign for half what he's on at City, 35k pw. We get relegated (very realistic) and activate our 40% wage cut, so now he's on 21k pw. That would make a move to us a risk of loosing 70% of his current wage in a year.

Now for me all the young players that are unlikely to make it into the first team of their big clubs will take a decent pay cut but you can see why Doyle would be hesitant to join us on a permanent deal and why its been reported consistently that the fee is modest but wages are a problem.

 

[jono_t2000]

I'm pretty sure it came out a few weeks ago that Doyle is on about 70kpw for City. All the big clubs stick their youth player on big money and long deals just in case they turn good.

Let's say despite him being a boyhood city fan Doyle wants to come to us. And he's willing to sign for half what he's on at City, 35k pw. We get relegated (very realistic) and activate our 40% wage cut, so now he's on 21k pw. That would make a move to us a risk of loosing 70% of his current wage in a year.

Now for me all the young players that are unlikely to make it into the first team of their big clubs will take a decent pay cut but you can see why Doyle would be hesitant to join us on a permanent deal and why its been reported consistently that the fee is modest but wages are a problem.

Yep he's well entitled to just sit on his contract until it expires/close to expiring and then reevaluate

 

[Liaminho9]

One of the possible reasons we have behind not being willing to pay Doyle whatever sum he’s on at Man City, is probably down to the amount of players we have on the last year of their contract.
It distorts the average.
Say for example if Egan, club captain and 1st choice in his position, is on £20k per week, and we bring Doyle in on £50k per week, what is Egan going to expect when we try and renew his contract? Bearing in mind the rest of the out of contract players we’ll be having this conversation with.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Jimmy on the Ramble is of the opinion we won’t get Doyle. He seemed quite sure of it which is in sharp contrast to most on here at the time.

Is he ITK at all? Could he be doing a misinformation?

Don't know what we plan to do if we don't get Doyle. Smallbone now off the menu. I'd accept going without a central playmaker and get OBrien instead

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

If his salary is too much for us why would PH keep so close to him and keep pursuing??

We will know exactly what the figures are. I still expect this to happen.

 

[tincan]

One of the possible reasons we have behind not being willing to pay Doyle whatever sum he’s on at Man City, is probably down to the amount of players we have on the last year of their contract.
It distorts the average.
Say for example if Egan, club captain and 1st choice in his position, is on £20k per week, and we bring Doyle in on £50k per week, what is Egan going to expect when we try and renew his contract? Bearing in mind the rest of the out of contract players we’ll be having this conversation with.

Gdpr won't allow such information to be released. Transfermarkt has his contract at city to 2025. £50k pw =£2.5m per yr. £75pw =£3.75m . Not job stopping numbers for such a key player.

 

[dillis]

There is no way Doyle is on anything over £20k a week. Cole Palmer is on 20/25k a week.
Clubs have to disclose their salaries and he isn’t even on any list I can find on line which suggests it’s low.

Just looked and multiple outlets saying £7k a week.

 

[loyalblade95]

Is he ITK at all? Could he be doing a misinformation?

Don't know what we plan to do if we don't get Doyle. Smallbone now off the menu. I'd accept going without a central playmaker and get OBrien instead

I don't think he's ITK, from what I can tell he gets given small bits of information from someone connected to the club that he's allowed to talk about on his channel. He keeps going on about Darren Smith as well so I wonder if Jimmy gets little bits of information from him as well.

 

[Ron_Justice]

Round and round and round we go. No fucker knows. Speculation, conjecture, Strawman assumptions.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Well he can’t be on £7k a week if the reports are saying his city salary is a problem.
So wherever that’s from it’s clearly bollocks.

I find it interesting he’s not gone anywhere yet.
Not in city’s plans at all….but is surely a queue of clubs wanting him at champ level, but not a sniff of him going anywhere other than here.
Suggests PH has told him we will be coming for him in some way or another be it loan or bought.

Purchase makes most sense, keeps loan space for the strikers we clearly need…and maybe a keeper.
Deferred payment til end of season, reckon city will be ok without it for 9month

 

[1889]

I think realistically wherever Tommy Doyle goes from City, he will have to take a pay cut. So financially it makes sense to see out his contract, professionally he needs to move to get regular first team football.

So it depends where his priorities lie I suppose?

 

[Nedski]

Let's say despite him being a boyhood city fan Doyle wants to come to us. And he's willing to sign for half what he's on at City, 35k pw. We get relegated (very realistic) and activate our 40% wage cut, so now he's on 21k pw. That would make a move to us a risk of loosing 70% of his current wage in a year.

The whole wages thing is ridiculous and the salaries handed out to young players skew everything.

If I lost 70% of my wage I couldn't even pay my mortgage. But a 21 year old getting a pay CUT to £21k a week is actually mental. It's an insane amount of money to earn at any age, but he'll feel hard done by as his pay drops by £50k per week despite still having £21k per week! The reality is he's going to be very wealthy in either circumstance but his brain is programmed to think £21k isn't enough, which is almost sickening to think about!

 

[mattbianco1]

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[Ricardo Mantelban]

You’d struggle to spend that in a week

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Gdpr won't allow such information to be released. Transfermarkt has his contract at city to 2025. £50k pw =£2.5m per yr. £75pw =£3.75m . Not job stopping numbers for such a key player.

Takes me back to a glorious day at work when we were being trained in the use of a new ‘salary tool’ through which we could manage pay rises for those folk who reported into us. Instead of using the intended training database, some muppet used the live database, enabling us to see the salaries of our peers, as well as some of those above us. Never been in such a quiet room...lots of assiduous note-taking going on

I personally hope that we land Doyle, but am increasingly pessimistic as to our chances. I think that he would be a perfect successor to Norwood, playing as part of a double pivot alongside Souza. Solid when needed, creative when opportunities present themselves. Knows how we tick, which has huge value right now in getting us settled quickly.

 

[Railway Blade]

According to a lot of sites Man City World Cup winner Alvarez joined City on a contract of £50k per week so I doubt Tommy Doyle is on anything like that.

Other sites have Cole Palmer on £20k p.w and Rico Lewis less than that.

All still speculation but I thought I would add my two penneth.