PeterNdlovu081
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Oh look, it’s the pig-lover from dingle country. I knew you’d be all over this.
Pathetic as usual.
You really are a sad, little man.
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Oh look, it’s the pig-lover from dingle country. I knew you’d be all over this.
I’ve just read the thread on that forum. Most of them put the Pigs down as bigger than them and a bigger fan base. Same category as Villa and Everton.
Rivalry aside I just can’t fathom why I read shit like that. Can someone explain to me, please, what I’m missing?
I genuinely cannot understand what they see when they put the Pigs down as a bigger club than just an average sized 2nd tier club. Four league titles when the world was in flickering black & white granted but so has Huddersfield.
Fan base keeps getting mentioned on that thread but does anybody actually have a look at historical attendances. If they bothered to they’d see that the Pigs are nothing out of the ordinary. Just a bang average club similar in size to many others.
It’s all just a self perpetuating myth. Fans read shit like that and accept on face value without checking and then go on to repeat it.
Credit to the Pigs though, they’ve somehow pulled of the illusion of the century, this and last.
Not often I agree with you PedroThe League Cup is a major trophy.
Anyone who says it isn't is talking shit.
Does this mean Wigan are bigger than all the other clubs in 2/3/4 th Div’s as they won FA cup recentlyThis is just what fans of shit clubs do. Invent some purely subjective table to how big they are to feel relevant. We did it a bit in League One. It's just fans trying to convince themselves it will be alright in the end.
None of the clubs in the second tier have won anything in 3, 4 or 5 decades. A couple haven't even been in the top flight for over 2 decades. Saying any of them are bigger than Leicester is absolutely insane.
Not often I agree with you Pedro
But if we’d won , there’s no way we’d big it up either
Club | No. of Top flight seasons |
EVERTON | 118 |
ASTON VILLA | 107 |
LIVERPOOL | 106 |
ARSENAL | 104 |
MANCHESTER UNITED | 96 |
MANCHESTER CITY | 92 |
NEWCASTLE UNITED | 89 |
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR | 86 |
CHELSEA | 86 |
SUNDERLAND | 86 |
WEST BROMWICH ALBION | 82 |
BOLTON WANDERERS | 73 |
BLACKBURN ROVERS | 72 |
WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS | 66 |
SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY | 66 |
DERBY COUNTY | 65 |
WEST HAM UNITED | 63 |
SHEFFIELD UNITED | 62 |
STOKE CITY | 62 |
MIDDLESBROUGH | 61 |
14 | ARSENAL |
12 | MANCHESTER UNITED |
8 | TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR |
8 | CHELSEA |
7 | ASTON VILLA |
7 | LIVERPOOL |
6 | BLACKBURN ROVERS |
6 | MANCHESTER CITY |
6 | NEWCASTLE UNITED |
5 | EVERTON |
5 | THE WANDERERS |
5 | WEST BROMWICH ALBION |
4 | BOLTON WANDERERS |
4 | SHEFFIELD UNITED |
4 | WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS |
3 | SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY |
3 | WEST HAM UNITED |
2 | BURY |
2 | NOTTINGHAM FOREST |
2 | OLD ETONIANS |
2 | PORTSMOUTH |
2 | PRESTON NORTH END |
2 | SUNDERLAND |
1 | BARNSLEY |
1 | BLACKBURN OLYMPIC |
1 | BLACKPOOL |
1 | BRADFORD CITY |
1 | BURNLEY |
1 | CARDIFF CITY |
1 | CHARLTON ATHLETIC |
1 | CLAPHAM ROVERS |
1 | COVENTRY CITY |
1 | DERBY COUNTY |
1 | HUDDERSFIELD TOWN |
1 | IPSWICH TOWN |
1 | LEEDS UNITED |
1 | NOTTS COUNTY |
1 | OLD CARTHUSIANS |
1 | OXFORD UNIVERSITY |
1 | ROYAL ENGINEERS |
1 | SOUTHAMPTON |
1 | WIGAN ATHLETIC |
1 | WIMBLEDON |
8 | LIVERPOOL |
8 | MANCHESTER CITY |
5 | ASTON VILLA |
5 | CHELSEA |
5 | MANCHESTER UNITED |
4 | NOTTINGHAM FOREST |
4 | TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR |
3 | LEICESTER CITY |
2 | ARSENAL |
2 | BIRMINGHAM CITY |
2 | NORWICH CITY |
2 | WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS |
1 | BLACKBURN ROVERS |
1 | LEEDS UNITED |
1 | LUTON TOWN |
1 | MIDDLESBROUGH |
1 | OXFORD UNITED |
1 | QUEENS PARK RANGERS |
1 | SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY |
1 | STOKE CITY |
1 | SWANSEA CITY |
1 | SWINDON TOWN |
1 | WEST BROMWICH ALBION |
We? Dingles or Pigs?If we won a major trophy I'd be fucking bigging it up at every fucking opportunity I got.
I've never done that, but I have SMSF many timesNo PMSL actually
They have won the top flight league twice in the last fifty years so a bit harsh mate.Its confirmation bias
Derby in stature are a club in a smallish city, whos biggest claim to fame in the last 50 years is been the crappest team in the premier league
However they want to see themselves as been 'massive', above EPL staples like Southampton, Leicester?!, Burnley , and Palace
So they have to view similar teams to them in that category too - Sunderland, Forest, WBA.... and of course the Pigs
They believe that aligning themselves to other shit teams somehow elevates their status, above teams that have actually had greater success than them in recent memory - Stoke, Norwich, Bournemouth, Blades.
Can anyone name a DCFC player since Kinkladze (2003) - Keogh for been a bellend and looking like a howler monkey doesnt count.
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Does this mean Wigan are bigger than all the other clubs in 2/3/4 th Div’s as they won FA cup recently
Its all make believe to sooth how shit they really are
The way we are going, I would love us to win a gameI’d love us to win the league cup.
I’m normally doing that after about 8 pints of GuinnessI've never done that, but I have SMSF many times
(shit me sen farting).
It’s a narrative perpetuated by the media and then parroted by others. A lot of those currently working in tv and print media will remember Wednesday in the 90s and therefore have that as the bench mark for what they are as a club. Give it another decade without them being at the top table and those working in the media will naturally shift to a younger demographic and the narrative on Wednesday will change.I’ve just read the thread on that forum. Most of them put the Pigs down as bigger than them and a bigger fan base. Same category as Villa and Everton.
Rivalry aside I just can’t fathom why I read shit like that. Can someone explain to me, please, what I’m missing?
I genuinely cannot understand what they see when they put the Pigs down as a bigger club than just an average sized 2nd tier club. Four league titles when the world was in flickering black & white granted but so has Huddersfield.
Fan base keeps getting mentioned on that thread but does anybody actually have a look at historical attendances. If they bothered to they’d see that the Pigs are nothing out of the ordinary. Just a bang average club similar in size to many others.
It’s all just a self perpetuating myth. Fans read shit like that and accept on face value without checking and then go on to repeat it.
Credit to the Pigs though, they’ve somehow pulled of the illusion of the century, this and last.
I also consider Wembley allocations. I reckon we can just about fill half with nobody missing out.For me the definition of a "big club", is not about how many leagues or cups you've won, how long you've been in the top flight, or how big your ground is. I think the best way of defining a big club is how many fans travel to away games although this has been skewed in recent years with many clubs limiting the number of away tickets. For example, take Leeds, for me they are one of the biggest clubs in the country with only Manchester United and Liverpool bigger. No matter what division Leeds are in, or who they're playing, they will always filll their away allocation.
Agree Roy , we’re all much of a muchness ,Leicester won The Premier League and got to a Champions League quarter final. They're in a FA Cup final and are probably going to be top 4 again. All within the last 5 years. I doubt any of the clubs listed above them will achieve any of that in my lifetime.
Us, Wednesday, Derby, WBA etc are all in the same tier of clubs with good fanbases who are unlikely to ever challenge for honours. Put them in what order you like but we're all in the same tier
Top Flight Seasons | Pts | League Cup Wins | Pts | FA Cup Wins | Pts | League Titles | Pts | Overall Points | |
MANCHESTER UNITED | 96 | 480 | 5 | 50 | 12 | 300 | 20 | 1000 | 1830 |
LIVERPOOL | 106 | 530 | 8 | 80 | 7 | 175 | 19 | 950 | 1735 |
ARSENAL | 104 | 520 | 2 | 20 | 14 | 350 | 13 | 650 | 1540 |
EVERTON | 118 | 590 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 125 | 9 | 450 | 1165 |
ASTON VILLA | 107 | 535 | 5 | 50 | 7 | 175 | 7 | 350 | 1110 |
MANCHESTER CITY | 92 | 460 | 8 | 80 | 6 | 150 | 6 | 300 | 990 |
CHELSEA | 86 | 430 | 5 | 50 | 8 | 200 | 6 | 300 | 980 |
NEWCASTLE UNITED | 89 | 445 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 150 | 4 | 200 | 795 |
SUNDERLAND | 86 | 430 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 50 | 6 | 300 | 780 |
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR | 86 | 430 | 4 | 40 | 8 | 200 | 2 | 100 | 770 |
BLACKBURN ROVERS | 72 | 360 | 1 | 10 | 6 | 150 | 3 | 150 | 670 |
SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY | 66 | 330 | 1 | 10 | 3 | 75 | 4 | 200 | 615 |
WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS | 66 | 330 | 2 | 20 | 4 | 100 | 3 | 150 | 600 |
WEST BROMWICH ALBION | 82 | 410 | 1 | 10 | 5 | 125 | 1 | 50 | 595 |
BOLTON WANDERERS | 73 | 365 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 100 | 0 | 0 | 465 |
SHEFFIELD UNITED | 62 | 310 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 100 | 1 | 50 | 460 |
DERBY COUNTY | 65 | 325 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 2 | 100 | 450 |
LEEDS UNITED | 51 | 255 | 1 | 10 | 1 | 25 | 3 | 150 | 440 |
NOTTINGHAM FOREST | 56 | 280 | 4 | 40 | 2 | 50 | 1 | 50 | 420 |
BURNLEY | 58 | 290 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 2 | 100 | 415 |
WEST HAM UNITED | 63 | 315 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 75 | 0 | 0 | 390 |
PRESTON NORTH END | 46 | 230 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 50 | 2 | 100 | 380 |
LEICESTER CITY | 54 | 270 | 3 | 30 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 50 | 350 |
HUDDERSFIELD TOWN | 32 | 160 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 3 | 150 | 335 |
STOKE CITY | 62 | 310 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 320 |
MIDDLESBROUGH | 61 | 305 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 315 |
PORTSMOUTH | 33 | 165 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 50 | 2 | 100 | 315 |
BIRMINGHAM CITY | 57 | 285 | 2 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 305 |
SOUTHAMPTON | 42 | 210 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 235 |
IPSWICH TOWN | 27 | 135 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 1 | 50 | 210 |
COVENTRY CITY | 34 | 170 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 195 |
NOTTS COUNTY | 30 | 150 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 175 |
BLACKPOOL | 28 | 140 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 165 |
BURY | 22 | 110 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 160 |
CHARLTON ATHLETIC | 26 | 130 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 155 |
NORWICH CITY | 26 | 130 | 2 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 150 |
FULHAM | 26 | 130 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 130 |
QUEENS PARK RANGERS | 23 | 115 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 125 |
THE WANDERERS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 125 | 0 | 0 | 125 |
CARDIFF CITY | 17 | 85 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 110 |
WIMBLEDON | 14 | 70 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 95 |
LUTON TOWN | 16 | 80 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 90 |
BRADFORD CITY | 12 | 60 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 85 |
WATFORD | 13 | 65 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 65 |
WIGAN ATHLETIC | 8 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 65 |
GRIMSBY | 12 | 60 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 60 |
OLDHAM | 12 | 60 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 60 |
SWANSEA CITY | 9 | 45 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 55 |
OLD ETONIANS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 50 |
BRIGHTON | 8 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 40 |
BARNSLEY | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 30 |
ACCRINGTON | 5 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
AFC BOURNEMOUTH | 5 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
BLACKBURN OLYMPIC | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
BRENTFORD | 5 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
CLAPHAM ROVERS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
HULL | 5 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
OLD CARTHUSIANS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
OXFORD UNITED | 3 | 15 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
OXFORD UNIVERSITY | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
ROYAL ENGINEERS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 25 |
BRADFORD PA | 3 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15 |
READING | 3 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15 |
SWINDON TOWN | 1 | 5 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15 |
DARWEN | 2 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 |
GLOSSOP | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
LEYTON ORIENT | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
NORTHAMPTON | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
CorrectedThey have won the top flight league twice in the last fifty years so a bit harsh mate.
So by that table, we're smaller than the pigs but bigger than weeds.So of the clubs listed above, i've granted each club points based on the following criteria (not scientific, but...)
5pts - A Season in the Top Flight
10pts - League Cup Win
25pts - FA Cup Win
50pts - League Title
I say it's not that scientific, but bloody hell, it's not far off is it...
Top Flight Seasons Pts League Cup Wins Pts FA Cup Wins Pts League Titles Pts Overall PointsMANCHESTER UNITED 96 480 5 50 12 300 20 1000 1830 LIVERPOOL 106 530 8 80 7 175 19 950 1735 ARSENAL 104 520 2 20 14 350 13 650 1540 EVERTON 118 590 0 0 5 125 9 450 1165 ASTON VILLA 107 535 5 50 7 175 7 350 1110 MANCHESTER CITY 92 460 8 80 6 150 6 300 990 CHELSEA 86 430 5 50 8 200 6 300 980 NEWCASTLE UNITED 89 445 0 0 6 150 4 200 795 SUNDERLAND 86 430 0 0 2 50 6 300 780 TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 86 430 4 40 8 200 2 100 770 BLACKBURN ROVERS 72 360 1 10 6 150 3 150 670 SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY 66 330 1 10 3 75 4 200 615 WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS 66 330 2 20 4 100 3 150 600 WEST BROMWICH ALBION 82 410 1 10 5 125 1 50 595 BOLTON WANDERERS 73 365 0 0 4 100 0 0 465 SHEFFIELD UNITED 62 310 0 0 4 100 1 50 460 DERBY COUNTY 65 325 0 0 1 25 2 100 450 LEEDS UNITED 51 255 1 10 1 25 3 150 440 NOTTINGHAM FOREST 56 280 4 40 2 50 1 50 420 BURNLEY 58 290 0 0 1 25 2 100 415 WEST HAM UNITED 63 315 0 0 3 75 0 0 390 PRESTON NORTH END 46 230 0 0 2 50 2 100 380 LEICESTER CITY 54 270 3 30 0 0 1 50 350 HUDDERSFIELD TOWN 32 160 0 0 1 25 3 150 335 STOKE CITY 62 310 1 10 0 0 0 0 320 MIDDLESBROUGH 61 305 1 10 0 0 0 0 315 PORTSMOUTH 33 165 0 0 2 50 2 100 315 BIRMINGHAM CITY 57 285 2 20 0 0 0 0 305 SOUTHAMPTON 42 210 0 0 1 25 0 0 235 IPSWICH TOWN 27 135 0 0 1 25 1 50 210 COVENTRY CITY 34 170 0 0 1 25 0 0 195 NOTTS COUNTY 30 150 0 0 1 25 0 0 175 BLACKPOOL 28 140 0 0 1 25 0 0 165 BURY 22 110 0 0 2 50 0 0 160 CHARLTON ATHLETIC 26 130 0 0 1 25 0 0 155 NORWICH CITY 26 130 2 20 0 0 0 0 150 FULHAM 26 130 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 QUEENS PARK RANGERS 23 115 1 10 0 0 0 0 125 THE WANDERERS 0 0 0 0 5 125 0 0 125 CARDIFF CITY 17 85 0 0 1 25 0 0 110 WIMBLEDON 14 70 0 0 1 25 0 0 95 LUTON TOWN 16 80 1 10 0 0 0 0 90 BRADFORD CITY 12 60 0 0 1 25 0 0 85 WATFORD 13 65 0 0 0 0 0 0 65 WIGAN ATHLETIC 8 40 0 0 1 25 0 0 65 GRIMSBY 12 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 OLDHAM 12 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 60 SWANSEA CITY 9 45 1 10 0 0 0 0 55 OLD ETONIANS 0 0 0 0 2 50 0 0 50 BRIGHTON 8 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 40 BARNSLEY 1 5 0 0 1 25 0 0 30 ACCRINGTON 5 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 AFC BOURNEMOUTH 5 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 BLACKBURN OLYMPIC 0 0 0 0 1 25 0 0 25 BRENTFORD 5 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 CLAPHAM ROVERS 0 0 0 0 1 25 0 0 25 HULL 5 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 OLD CARTHUSIANS 0 0 0 0 1 25 0 0 25 OXFORD UNITED 3 15 1 10 0 0 0 0 25 OXFORD UNIVERSITY 0 0 0 0 1 25 0 0 25 ROYAL ENGINEERS 0 0 0 0 1 25 0 0 25 BRADFORD PA 3 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 READING 3 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 SWINDON TOWN 1 5 1 10 0 0 0 0 15 DARWEN 2 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 GLOSSOP 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 LEYTON ORIENT 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 NORTHAMPTON 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
So by that table, we're smaller than the pigs but bigger than weeds.
Certainly didn't see that coming!
I’d happily swap two seasons in the PL for a League Cup or five seasons in the PL for an FA Cup.Maybe the grading needs looking at. We've had 11 more top flight seasons than Leeds and have won more cups, but they've won more Leagues
I was wondering whether you should include appearances and/or wins in European Competition as well, but that just sounds like I'm trying to make a lot of work for youMaybe the grading needs looking at. We've had 11 more top flight seasons than Leeds and have won more cups, but they've won more Leagues
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