Player Suggestion David Brooks

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BrisBlade said:
I'd love to see this, but definitely see LCB as a higher priority. I thought there had been talk of us waiving the sell on and / or outstanding debt for Brooks as part of the Ramsdale deal. This would explain why there is such a big gap between the reported amounts people claim the Ramsdale deal is worth. I could be completely wrong about this though.
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I’m sure you are right but all my common sense disappears when it comes to these type of rumours...seems to be a lot of noise around this one probably more to do with how twitter works than anything else!
 



Let's say they want £25m (no way they get £40m), that gives us £3.75m discount due to the sell on clause, so £21.25m. That will be the top end of the deal. I'd say that's about fair. £15m-£17m down, rising to £22m.

We've just signed a striker with 0 PL games for more than that.

I'd say his true value presently is £18-£22m which means we would pay £15.3-£18.7m
 
mattbianco1 said:


Let's say they want £25m (no way they get £40m), that gives us £3.75m discount due to the sell on clause, so £21.25m. That will be the top end of the deal. I'd say that's about fair. £15m-£17m down, rising to £22m.

We've just signed a striker with 0 PL games for more than that.

I'd say his true value presently is £18-£22m which means we would pay £15.3-£18.7m
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Really don't get how his price has gone up from 11m. Done nothing, always injured.
JOC's value must have rocketed in the last week if that's how it works.
 
mattbianco1 said:


Let's say they want £25m (no way they get £40m), that gives us £3.75m discount due to the sell on clause, so £21.25m. That will be the top end of the deal. I'd say that's about fair. £15m-£17m down, rising to £22m.

We've just signed a striker with 0 PL games for more than that.

I'd say his true value presently is £18-£22m which means we would pay £15.3-£18.7m
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Fair logic that, and if there is any truth in the rumours that they still owe us some money for signing him (and it wasn't used to balance the Ramsdale deal) then that could potentially drop as low as £5m-15m.

Hope this is true!
 
mattbianco1 said:


Let's say they want £25m (no way they get £40m), that gives us £3.75m discount due to the sell on clause, so £21.25m. That will be the top end of the deal. I'd say that's about fair. £15m-£17m down, rising to £22m.

We've just signed a striker with 0 PL games for more than that.

I'd say his true value presently is £18-£22m which means we would pay £15.3-£18.7m
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Plus a player?
 
knowsnowt said:
Really don't get how his price has gone up from 11m. Done nothing, always injured.
JOC's value must have rocketed in the last week if that's how it works.
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Are you being serious?

They signed a player for £11m that had started 9 championship games. He was used as a sub quite a lot, but he literally started 9 games for us.

His first PL season he played 31 games, scoring 8 goals. He got injured and had to have an operation. He would have missed last season in it's entirety had it not been for Covid. Post-lockdown he started 8 games (keeping Harry Wilson on the bench), he scored 1 goal in those.

He's now also got 12 caps and 1 goal for Wales.

Oh and HE'S NOT ALWAYS INJURED!!! - He played 31 out of 38 games in his first season. Had to have an operation which forced him to miss last season.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Are you being serious?

They signed a player for £11m that had started 9 championship games. He was used as a sub quite a lot, but he literally started 9 games for us.

His first PL season he played 31 games, scoring 8 goals. He got injured and had to have an operation. He would have missed last season in it's entirety had it not been for Covid. Post-lockdown he started 8 games (keeping Harry Wilson on the bench), he scored 1 goal in those.

He's now also got 12 caps and 1 goal for Wales.

Oh and HE'S NOT ALWAYS INJURED!!! - He played 31 out of 38 games in his first season. Had to have an operation which forced him to miss last season.
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Fair enough, I may be being a tad over critical but I'd really hate for us to lob 15-20m at someone who's likely to breakdown for months on end in an attempt to tie his shoe laces.. At 5-7m probably worth the risk, but not as the silly prices being quoted on here.. We don't have the munneh!
 
Why would we entertain a straight out purchase over a loan with a view?

Huge question marks around his fitness, significant fee and wages, and all coming out an already limited budget?
 
knowsnowt

Here, i've shown the facts about his injury record...

Here are David Brooks' games played in his first season. The red box denotes the game he injured his ankle.

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He then missed 4 Bournemouth games due to the ankle injury:

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Before having ankle surgery in July 2019. This surgery (as with Jack O'Connell's knee) saw him miss the entire season (Aug to May). He came back and featured in 9 post-lockdown games:

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EDIT - he's in the Wales squad that will face England this week.
 

mattbianco1 said:
knowsnowt

Here, i've shown the facts about his injury record...

Here are David Brooks' games played in his first season. The red box denotes the game he injured his ankle.

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He then missed 4 Bournemouth games due to the ankle injury:

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Before having ankle surgery in July 2019. This surgery (as with Jack O'Connell's knee) saw him miss the entire season (Aug to May). He came back and featured in 9 post-lockdown games:

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But besides that.. He's just too much of a risk for the money it'd take to get him here. Imo.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Why would we entertain a straight out purchase over a loan with a view?

Huge question marks around his fitness, significant fee and wages, and all coming out an already limited budget?
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don’t get me wrong I think there is less than 0% chances of this happening - especially on loan.

But on The fitness point I think Bournemouth’s doctors have been criticised before for not being very good at handling injuries. I’m sure mings said something like ‘I’ve never been injured before, tweaked my back and was out for 18 months, make of that what you will....’

sounds like his ankle injury treatment didn’t go well as it wasnt supposed to be a season ending I if I recall correctly
 
SilkyBlade said:
why would Bmouth entertain a loan with a view over a straight out purchase?
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because he doesn't want to play in the Championship, they can't afford the dead money of his wages if he wants away, and no one is seemingly wanting to pay £30-50 million for him with concerns around his fitness.
 
knowsnowt said:
Fair enough, I may be being a tad over critical but I'd really hate for us to lob 15-20m at someone who's likely to breakdown for months on end in an attempt to tie his shoe laces.. At 5-7m probably worth the risk, but not as the silly prices being quoted on here.. We don't have the munneh!
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The lad has had one fairly serious injury which he is getting over/has got over. Why would he be out for months on end? Would you say the same about JOC who is likely to be out for a similar duration?
 
Mouth of the South said:
The lad has had one fairly serious injury which he is getting over/has got over. Why would he be out for months on end? Would you say the same about JOC who is likely to be out for a similar duration?
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He had a nasty injury which took a couple of ops to clear, and the type of player he was you would have questions around if he's either lost any mobility, confidence or has a underlying weakness to occurrence which is exacerbated by the design and lack of protection given by modern boots.
If he plays 20-25 games this season then that is removed, meaning he's worth the £30M they're asking for.
 
knowsnowt said:
Fair enough, I may be being a tad over critical but I'd really hate for us to lob 15-20m at someone who's likely to breakdown for months on end in an attempt to tie his shoe laces.. At 5-7m probably worth the risk, but not as the silly prices being quoted on here.. We don't have the munneh!
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We’ve just purchased a striker who had a serious injury not long ago.
Sometimes you have to take a calculated risk.
 
Snowflake said:
We’ve just purchased a striker who had a serious injury not long ago.
Sometimes you have to take a calculated risk.
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Man Poo took a calculated risk on Ruud VN having sustained serious ankle ligament Injury and he turned out OK!
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
He had a nasty injury which took a couple of ops to clear, and the type of player he was you would have questions around if he's either lost any mobility, confidence or has a underlying weakness to occurrence which is exacerbated by the design and lack of protection given by modern boots.
If he plays 20-25 games this season then that is removed, meaning he's worth the £30M they're asking for.
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Fair enough - I think the chances of Utd purchasing DB anytime soon are somewhere between slim and none anyway. However, you were promoting going after Loftus-Cheek who is not yet fully recovered from a ruptured achilles - an injury that is traditionally difficult to fully recover from and, more often that not, affects the player's speed and mobility.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Fair enough - I think the chances of Utd purchasing DB anytime soon are somewhere between slim and none anyway. However, you were promoting going after Loftus-Cheek who is not yet fully recovered from a ruptured achilles - an injury that is traditionally difficult to fully recover from and, more often that not, affects the player's speed and mobility.
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Agree with most of that. With regards to RLC I said he'd be perfect for us in the RCM role and is exactly the type of player we need to go onto the next level.
It was more around a type and level of player than him specifically and I was suggesting loan not buy which is the only sensible suggestion for all the reasons that I listed for DB.
 
Mouth of the South said:
However, you were promoting going after Loftus-Cheek who is not yet fully recovered from a ruptured achilles
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Haha, yeah.

Loftus-Cheek:
Aug 2017 - Groin Strain - 3 games missed
Sept 2017 - Thigh strain - 2 games missed
Dec 2017 - Ankle injury - 14 games missed
May 2019 - Achilles tendon - 38 games missed

David Brooks:
Jan 2019 - Ankle injury - 4 games missed
Jul 2019 - Ankle surgey - 33 games missed
+Glandular fever ;)
 
I think the perception dates back to when he was flying with us then suddenly got struck down with glandular fever (I think?). He missed loads of games for us, went to Bournemouth and then missed some for them. Certainly wouldn't call him a sick note. But this transfer isn't happening, so it's not really our problem either way.
 

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