David Brooks - Sky Sports Article

[Sean Thornton]

NO! They sold those players because Liverpool FC are “small time” and “pathetic”.

Please try to keep up at the back.

Look, we've all run a major football club, and know that you can always keep players under contract when PL clubs offer them four times the wages because running costs don't actually need to be paid irrespective of what the creditors say and losses are just an accounting fiddle to get a tax refund.

License to print money if you ask me.

 

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NO! They sold those players because Liverpool FC are “small time” and “pathetic”.

Please try to keep up at the back.

and currently lead the prem , keep up even further back

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

and currently lead the prem , keep up even further back

I know. It just goes to show how small time and pathetic they are! Their top players ALWAYS leave!

 

[BladeInIreland]

Most teams lose there best players, however the good ones
A. Get a good price for them
B. Reinvest the money
When we get new owners we will still lose our best players, however I hope the above model is followed.

 

[blade too long]

Most teams lose there best players, however the good ones
A. Get a good price for them
B. Reinvest the money
When we get new owners we will still lose our best players, however I hope the above model is followed.

Just a fact that our nett spend on players over the past 18 years is higher than what we've received for players by 3 m pounds

 

[BladeInIreland]

Just a fact that our nett spend on players over the past 18 years is higher than what we've received for players by 3 m pounds

Not going to fact check that at this time but where are you pulling that from? If it’s just reported fees then there’s no way you could say that was true with any certainty given the number of undisclosed fees. As an example how much are you valuing the Egan transfer? Also even if that was true it wouldn’t go against point A. As a general rule it’s pretty evident point B does not happen enough either.

 

[blade too long]

Not going to fact check that at this time but where are you pulling that from? If it’s just reported fees then there’s no way you could say that was true with any certainty given the number of undisclosed fees. As an example how much are you valuing the Egan transfer? Also even if that was true it wouldn’t go against point A. As a general rule it’s pretty evident point B does not happen enough either.

Apart from selling the 2 Kyle's the most we ever sell is 1 player in a season .
The fees we get are what the market dictates. We sold no one last season who we didn't expect to move on and Brooks moved on due to his new agent.. people only remember the odd sale but can rarely list the buys we make . Or care to as it upsets the agenda

 

[BladeInIreland]

Apart from selling the 2 Kyle's the most we ever sell is 1 player in a season .
The fees we get are what the market dictates. We sold no one last season who we didn't expect to move on and Brooks moved on due to his new agent.. people only remember the odd sale but can rarely list the buys we make . Or care to as it upsets the agenda

The fees are what we negotiated. When that one player is normally a key player that’s quite significant. So where did you get the figures? Or does it not suit your agenda.

 

[grafikhaus]

Sunderland are not struggling for money nor are they likely to be with their fan base. They've got debts yeah but parachute payments are still in force and they are still an attractive proposition to any prospective buyer. The rest are just shitty little clubs. I'm not sure about etc.

'Not only are parachute payments distorting the Championship - traditionally viewed as one of the most competitive in Europe - they could be about to have a dramatic effect in League One too.

Sunderland, Hull City and Middlesbrough all received at least £40m without kicking a ball this (last) season, compensation from those on high for failing to maintain their place in the richest league on earth.

Regardless of whether they go down this (last) season, Sunderland will get £25m next (this) season and £20m for the following (2019-20) campaign - riches beyond the wildest dreams of their potential opponents in the generally impoverished third tier.

Contrast the money received by Sunderland for doing nothing with the financial struggles at Bury who reported a loss of £2.5m back in April 2017 and had faced a winding up petition from HMRC the previous year.'

How parachute payments are completely distorting life below the Premier League.

 

[I should coco]

it's been pathetic over the last 40 years or so, ever since the wage structure for players changed.

...and that's the reason for moaning so much now. Now that is 'pathetic'.

You do know that John Hasall, Arnold Laver, Reg Brearly et al don't read this board dont' you, what with several of them being long dead and that?

 

[blade too long]

The fees are what we negotiated. When that one player is normally a key player that’s quite significant. So where did you get the figures? Or does it not suit your agenda.

Key player ? we won 13 and lost 13 in games he played . He was dropped several times. What other key players have we sold that's gone on and won things at their next club.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Key player ? we won 13 and lost 13 in games he played . He was dropped several times. What other key players have we sold that's gone on and won things at their next club.

If you don’t think he was a key player fine, that’s your opinion but surely your not so blind to see that we Normally lose key players ( hence people want them). Why do they have to go on to win things? Few of our ex players will have gone on to win anything, but I’m not sure what point your trying to make? Winning for our club and most is being in the premier league. We have certainly lost in that regard by sales and helped others win.

 

[blade too long]

If you don’t think he was a key player fine, that’s your opinion but surely your not so blind to see that we Normally lose key players ( hence people want them). Why do they have to go on to win things? Few of our ex players will have gone on to win anything, but I’m not sure what point your trying to make? Winning for our club and most is being in the premier league. We have certainly lost in that regard by sales and helped others win.

list me all the key players weve lost

but first tell me which other football , doesnt sell players
any player thats sold for a multi million pound fee, by any club has some value
you only get a fee for any player if they are any good , but is any player in a squad game key, really
why are we third now if he was so key

all the big top 6 in the prem sell players

all our first team squad players are key players, when playing
but everyone is replaceable ,,, they have to be
brooks could have broke a leg and wed have to get someone else in , coutts was star man but cant dislodge norwood just now
which of those 2 is more key

 

[snootyfenooty]

Key player ? we won 13 and lost 13 in games he played . He was dropped several times.

By this logic it must be Kyle's fault we blew the PO final and Harry's fault we spent so long dicking around in L1. What a load of bollocks.

 

[BladeInIreland]

list me all the key players weve lost

but first tell me which other football , doesnt sell players
any player thats sold for a multi million pound fee, by any club has some value
you only get a fee for any player if they are any good , but is any player in a squad game key, really
why are we third now if he was so key

all the big top 6 in the prem sell players

all our first team squad players are key players, when playing
but everyone is replaceable ,,, they have to be
brooks could have broke a leg and wed have to get someone else in , coutts was star man but cant dislodge norwood just now
which of those 2 is more key

I don’t have time to list all the key players we have lost over 18 years. Few highlights maybe Beattie, Maguire, killa, McDonald

Why are you citing the usual bollocks response to anything critical of our transfer history. I’ve already pointed out I understand everyone has to sell and I listed the criteria I believe a club has to meet to be successful in this. We are not.

Oh and by the way, just to point out another thing in relation to your guess work. If we have lost 3 mill more than we have made then that is a average transfer budget for fees of 167k per year. Very plausible for us but that is terrible and hardly a defense.

Again now your going back to opinion. Personally I thought Brooks was more important. His pace, skill and unpredictability was something this otherwise quite predictable team needed. And I think it is showing again this year.

 

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By this logic it must be Kyle's fault we blew the PO final and Harry's fault we spent so long dicking around in L1. What a load of bollocks.

its how I see your view we sell key players

we spent so long dicking about in league one because we werent very good
but we are much much better now
as we are a TEAM , not reliant on certain individuals

 

[blade too long]

I don’t have time to list all the key players we have lost over 18 years. Few highlights maybe Beattie, Maguire, killa, McDonald

Why are you citing the usual bollocks response to anything critical of our transfer history. I’ve already pointed out I understand everyone has to sell and I listed the criteria I believe a club has to meet to be successful in this. We are not.

Oh and by the way, just to point out another thing in relation to your guess work. If we have lost 3 mill more than we have made then that is a average transfer budget for fees of 167k per year. Very plausible for us but that is terrible and hardly a defense.

Again now your going back to opinion. Personally I thought Brooks was more important. His pace, skill and unpredictability was something this otherwise quite predictable team needed. And I think it is showing again this year.

Killgannon , critcal , mcdonald,,, sorry but you have very low expectations
these are meat and drink squad players

we must have been shit if these were key players
beattie came back , how did that work out, 18 games 0 goals
and people slag off McGoldrick

 

[BladeInIreland]

Killgannon , critcal , mcdonald,,, sorry but you have very low expectations
these are meat and drink squad players

we must have been shit if these were key players
beattie came back , how did that work out, 18 games 0 goals
and people slag off McGoldrick

Ok just realised you have to be on the wind up. No ones that daft. Well done haha

 

[BladeInIreland]

Although now you brought Beattie up I will take the chance to point out he was not as bad as made out the second time round. Over time it’s been taken as fact. At the time it was very debatable. It’s all about how it’s presented.

No goals in 18 games- poor

Started only 2 of those 18 -more reasonable still not great

Of those two he still didn’t play a whole 90 minutes - still a lot of sub appearances

All added together excluding added time he played 257 minutes, or 2.85 games. Every one of our current strikers have gone that long repeatedly. - Not actually that bad

 

[Sean Thornton]

Although now you brought Beattie up I will take the chance to point out he was not as bad as made out the second time round. Over time it’s been taken as fact. At the time it was very debatable. It’s all about how it’s presented.

No goals in 18 games- poor

Started only 2 of those 18 -more reasonable still not great

Of those two he still didn’t play a whole 90 minutes - still a lot of sub appearances

All added together excluding added time he played 257 minutes, or 2.85 games. Every one of our current strikers have gone that long repeatedly. - Not actually that bad

Watching him in that second spell rather than using statistics is afar better way of judging him. He was dire.

 

[Balham]

Although now you brought Beattie up I will take the chance to point out he was not as bad as made out the second time round. Over time it’s been taken as fact. At the time it was very debatable. It’s all about how it’s presented.

No goals in 18 games- poor

Started only 2 of those 18 -more reasonable still not great

Of those two he still didn’t play a whole 90 minutes - still a lot of sub appearances

All added together excluding added time he played 257 minutes, or 2.85 games. Every one of our current strikers have gone that long repeatedly. - Not actually that bad

Beattie therefore managed to get a red card every 123 minutes. That is the legacy of his ill-fated second spell for me; the fact that he missed 7 games for picking up two idiotic red cards.

 

[snootyfenooty]

its how I see your view we sell key players

we spent so long dicking about in league one because we werent very good
but we are much much better now
as we are a TEAM , not reliant on certain individuals

We got relegated after we sold Kyle. We spent another 3 years in L1 after we sold Harry. Anything else you'd like explaining?

 

[BladeInIreland]

Watching him in that second spell rather than using statistics is afar better way of judging him. He was dire.

The statistics show he didn’t get a chance to get going. He wasn’t going to be as great as he was in his first spell but I still maintain he could have achieved more the second time had he got a better run.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The statistics show he didn’t get a chance to get going. He wasn’t going to be as great as he was in his first spell but I still maintain he could have achieved more the second time had he got a better run.

He hardly had a run in him.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Beattie therefore managed to get a red card every 123 minutes. That is the legacy of his ill-fated second spell for me; the fact that he missed 7 games for picking up two idiotic red cards.

Obviously not good to pick up red cards but it happens. The guy had little chance to impress second time round.

 

[BladeInIreland]

He hardly had a run in him.

He never did, didn’t stop him from banging the goals in most his career.

 

[Sean Thornton]

He never did, didn’t stop him from banging the goals in most his career.

If the fact that when he did get a game he was utterly useless doesn’t mean anything, l’ll leave it with you.

 

[BladeInIreland]

If the fact that when he did get a game he was utterly useless doesn’t mean anything, l’ll leave it with you.

I don’t call getting chucked on with a couple of minutes to go getting a game so yes, probably best leave it with me.

 

[Balham]

Obviously not good to pick up red cards but it happens. The guy had little chance to impress second time round.

What? He got sent off the equivalent of two times every three games. That's ridiculous. To put that in context, the entire Sheffield United squad has received 4 red cards between them since Chris Wilder took over (Basham vs Scunthorpe in 2016/17; Fleck vs Bristol City, Blackman vs Brentford and Clark vs Barnsley last season; no reds to date this season). That's 4 red cards in 113 league games so 1,243 full player appearances. If Beattie picked up red cards at the rate he acquired them in 2011/12, over 1,243 games he'd pick up 800 red cards.

Beattie's performances that season were indefensible. I cannot believe you're trying to defend them!

ps - maybe there's a reason he had little chance to impress? Possibly because he didn't take any of the opportunities he was given?

 

[snootyfenooty]

ps - maybe there's a reason he had little chance to impress? Possibly because he didn't take any of the opportunities he was given?

Beattie was 33 going on 34 in his second spell. He was a busted flush. Sound familiar?