David Brooks - Sky Sports Article

[Sean Thornton]

You can keep anyone who is under contract
Players and agents have the power if clubs let them

If a player wants to go but you don't want to sell then it's his problem

Fact is the United board wanted to sell him, and just like any other player that's sold they shift the emphasis and blame onto the player wanting to leave

Bullshitting in other words

Or, if you don't have an agenda, he wanted to leave and the owners wanted the money. A much more likely combination if you live in the real world.

 

[Sean Thornton]

These are his actual words from before the Forest game:-

<< Before the trip to Forest, Wilder told a national newspaper: “I’m sure both owners would say for something like this to be settled in a courtroom is not ideal. It’s something I can’t do anything about. It doesn’t impact my job on a daily basis, but it impacts the club’s direction. Planning and structures have to be put on hold. It doesn’t stop us wanting to win games and there’s a saying in Sheffield about trying to get a pint out of a half-pint pot.

“It will be interesting to see what happens in the lead-up to January, to see what the attitude will be. Me and the supporters would say, ‘There’s a pot there at the end worth £190 million’ but it ain’t my dough or my decision. I’d like us to be a bit more ambitious and for those differences to be sorted out, but if that’s not the case, we’ll give it our best shot.”

Prior to the recent victory against Wigan at the Lane, Wilder said: “It just shows what can happen with a bit of backing and ambition.” He was referring to the Latics’ eight-year stay in the Premier League during which time they won the FA Cup and secured Europa League football at the DW Stadium.

“With all due respect, and I have respect for them, they're not the most glamorous of clubs. Most people in Wigan will probably tell you the rugby league lads are the biggest team there. But that doesn't matter if you've got that backing from the top. >>


A request for backing and ambition with the possibility of making their investment back and much more (plus the glory which should be an even bigger incentive for them than money)

No mention of the Brooks money that some are believing it's still there then.

Even that's over a month ago though.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

You can keep anyone who is under contract
Players and agents have the power if clubs let them

If a player wants to go but you don't want to sell then it's his problem

Fact is the United board wanted to sell him, and just like any other player that's sold they shift the emphasis and blame onto the player wanting to leave

Bullshitting in other words

Wilder explicitly only wants players here who want to be here. You may lose talented individuals, but keeping them damages the squad as a whole. From the moment Forastieri refused to get on the coach to Norwich, it was clear that Wednesday and their manager were going into decline. Fortunately, that is still the case. Whether or not Wilder's methods take us to the Promised Land, the journey has been terrific so far.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder explicitly only wants players here who want to be here. You may lose talented individuals, but keeping them damages the squad as a whole. From the moment Forastieri refused to get on the coach to Norwich, it was clear that Wednesday and their manager were going into decline. Fortunately, that is still the case. Whether or not Wilder's methods take us to the Promised Land, the journey has been terrific so far.

In the scenario you replied to, that makes Wilder either a liar or a patsy. Wonder which one he'll acccuse him of being?

 

[stringer]

Sorry, can you expand? Are you saying a bid was turned down for Dack in the summer? Who from? And how much? I’m not saying it didn’t happen btw, Venkys never cease to surprise me.

West Brom, they rejected £15m

 

[BushBlade]

West Brom, they rejected £15m

Yeah, surprising amount but wasn’t that with add-ons? I don’t think it’s as hard to keep a player at a club that’s just been promoted to the championship when another championship club comes in for them. Give him a decent pay rise and, unless West Brom were prepared to offer daft money, he’s not going to be that financially better off.

I think once it’s a PL club that comes in, it’s a different story.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wasn't that on here? £2m for fees plus wages? I may be wrong though.

Have we paid for Norwood yet?

The fee quoted wasn’t inclusive of wages but I remember it being £2m. My question, if that was the case, would be as to how we paid for Norwood and Egan? I’m assuming either through additional funds or some of the Brooks cash.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Sometimes the limitations of a language make for disagreements. Unlike English, Spanish has 2 different verbs corresponding to the English verb 'to be'. Ser means 'to be (inherently, naturally, as an integral part of one's existence)', whereas estar means 'to be (at this moment, unusually, as a result of particular circumstances)'. I think we can agree that Bounemouth are superior (estar) at the moment, but I don't think many (any?) of us think they are inherently superior to us (ser).

With a few more years in the Premier League and a new stadium under their belt it won’t matter whether you use Urdu, Spanish or Swahili, they’ll be permanently superior.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

158 posts, and not a single Brookes. Not a sniff of a Brooke’s.

Outrageous pisspoor gaaarbage from the club (the money-grubbing, supporter-deceiving, Desso-funding, small-time, tin-pot liars).

I like blue and white, me.

The end (of the world).

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

With a few more years in the Premier League and a new stadium under their belt it won’t matter whether you use Urdu, Spanish or Swahili, they’ll be permanently superior.

...just like Portsmouth, Hull, Coventry, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland, etc.? Nothing is permanent in football.

 

[snootyfenooty]

...just like Portsmouth, Hull, Coventry, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland, etc.? Nothing is permanent in football.

Sunderland are not struggling for money nor are they likely to be with their fan base. They've got debts yeah but parachute payments are still in force and they are still an attractive proposition to any prospective buyer. The rest are just shitty little clubs. I'm not sure about etc.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Sunderland are not struggling for money nor are they likely to be with their fan base. The rest are just shitty little clubs. .

Doesn't that support my point about Bournemouth? Superior to us at the moment (as measured by league position and income), but likely to revert in time (to use your phrase) to being a 'shitty little club'?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Doesn't that support my point about Bournemouth? Superior to us at the moment (as measured by league position and income), but likely to revert in time (to use your phrase) to being a 'shitty little club'?

No. I was pointing out that Sunderland are not in the same league as that lot.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

No. I was pointing out that Sunderland are not in the same league as that lot.

Actually they are in the same league or lower than that lot...

 

[snootyfenooty]

Actually they are in the same league or lower than that lot...

They'll be back in the big league before we are.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

They'll be back in the big league before we are.

So, to be serious, one of the great things about football is that it constantly changes, and nobody knows what the future holds. That is why what is going on amongst the footballing giants is so wrong - they are trying to corner certainty for themselves. If that happens (and it has got closer), we might as well all take up knitting.

 

[BushBlade]

So, to be serious, one of the great things about football is that it constantly changes, and nobody knows what the future holds. That is why what is going on amongst the footballing giants is so wrong - they are trying to corner certainty for themselves. If that happens (and it has got closer), we might as well all take up knitting.

I don’t think it’s changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage. Arsenal have never been down, Man U for a season in the 70s, don’t think Liverpool have been down since Shankly took them up.
Clubs like Leeds, Forest, Blackburn, Derby have had their moments in the sun but it’s been relatively fleeting.

I agree that Bournemouth won’t be up there forever. Even with a new ground, they’d just be another Southampton.

 

[I should coco]

I don’t think it’s changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage. Arsenal have never been down, Man U for a season in the 70s, don’t think Liverpool have been down since Shankly took them up.

For every yin there's a yang or some similar bollocks.

I'm not accusing you of being selective but there are other 'big' clubs that have had a shitty time, albeit nowhere near as shitty as us, nor as prolonged.

Spurs were relegated in 77/78 but went straight back up.
Chelsea had two spells in the 2nd division in the 80s (getting just 6k in a home game with Orient. Even in the Premier (1994) they had a home game against Coventry with only 8,923 in attendance).
Citeh were relegated twice in the 80s and once in the 90s slipping down to the Third division.

Everton have amazingly survived several relegation scraps (one at our expense) but you are right that Arsenal, Liverpool and Manyoo have been nowhere near the bottom since Manyoo's relagation in 73/74.

Sunderland, Newcastle, CheatinAmmers, DirtyLeeds, Forrest, Derby, Leicester, Wolves, Baggies, Villa, Boro and Stoke have all spent plenty of time outside the top division. Even the S6 Massive have sepent more time outside the top division than in it, since 1970.

Our turn will come, of that I have no doubt. I'm in my mid 50s though, so they need to get their act together.....

 

[BushBlade]

For every yin there's a yang or some similar bollocks.

I'm not accusing you of being selective but there are other 'big' clubs that have had a shitty time, albeit nowhere near as shitty as us, nor as prolonged.

Spurs were relegated in 77/78 but went straight back up.
Chelsea had two spells in the 2nd division in the 80s (getting just 6k in a home game with Orient. Even in the Premier (1994) they had a home game against Coventry with only 8,923 in attendance).
Citeh were relegated twice in the 80s and once in the 90s slipping down to the Third division.

Everton have amazingly survived several relegation scraps (one at our expense) but you are right that Arsenal, Liverpool and Manyoo have been nowhere near the bottom since Manyoo's relagation in 73/74.

Sunderland, Newcastle, CheatinAmmers, DirtyLeeds, Forrest, Derby, Leicester, Wolves, Baggies, Villa, Boro and Stoke have all spent plenty of time outside the top division. Even the S6 Massive have sepent more time outside the top division than in it, since 1970.

Our turn will come, of that I have no doubt. I'm in my mid 50s though, so they need to get their act together.....

Chelsea and Man City are new money and who knows what will happen in the future, when Abramovich gets bored, or novichocked, etc.

You seemed to have quoted half my post and then repeated what I said in the second half as if it’s a new point.

What I’m saying is that there is a small group of clubs that are almost ‘relegation proof’ and the rest of the PL is more fluid. That hasn’t really changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage, as opposed to being a new thing, which is what Hodgy was suggesting. Whether you’ve spent 49 or 50 of the last 50 years in the top division is fairly academic.

 

[Houston_Blade]

In my lifetime the Blades have had a handful of years in the top flight a handful in League 1 and apart from that we’ve been mid-table/play off contenders in the Championship. In my view this is our place in the pecking order, some people seem to think we belong higher but I don’t know what that’s based on.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Chelsea and Man City are new money and who knows what will happen in the future, when Abramovich gets bored, or novichocked, etc.

You seemed to have quoted half my post and then repeated what I said in the second half as if it’s a new point.

What I’m saying is that there is a small group of clubs that are almost ‘relegation proof’ and the rest of the PL is more fluid. That hasn’t really changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage, as opposed to being a new thing, which is what Hodgy was suggesting. Whether you’ve spent 49 or 50 of the last 50 years in the top division is fairly academic.

The things I was referring to are that in the PL only about 6 clubs seriously aspire to the top 4 places; Leicester winning the title was a total oddity, unlike the period when Ipswich, Burnley, etc. won the league, and even little old us had at least 2 spells at the top of the pyramid, until knocked off by George Best's skill and Hodgy's broken thumb. It is hard to see such times returning, where a dozen clubs set off in August believing they can win the PL. And I was also referring to Champions League breakaway discussions, where relegation appears to be something to be eliminated. Such arrogance is breath-taking, and would slowly kill the game...in my humble opinion, anyway.

 

[BushBlade]

The things I was referring to are that in the PL only about 6 clubs seriously aspire to the top 4 places; Leicester winning the title was a total oddity, unlike the period when Ipswich, Burnley, etc. won the league, and even little old us had at least 2 spells at the top of the pyramid, until knocked off by George Best's skill and Hodgy's broken thumb. It is hard to see such times returning, where a dozen clubs set off in August believing they can win the PL. And I was also referring to Champions League breakaway discussions, where relegation appears to be something to be eliminated. Such arrogance is breath-taking, and would slowly kill the game...in my humble opinion, anyway.

Oh. I thought we were discussing whether clubs like Bournemouth will remain a big club or sink back into obscurity. If you’re going off on a tangent a bit more signposting might be helpful.

The Champions League could be blamed for that disparity, for a good decade it seemed like it was the same four clubs who got in each year and received the income that went with it.

I can’t see a breakaway European league happening in the near future. Why would the PL clubs give up the PL income?

But I grew up in the days when Liverpool won the league most seasons so I guess I’m desensitised to clubs dominating the top league.

 

[I should coco]

You seemed to have quoted half my post and then repeated what I said in the second half as if it’s a new point.

Maybe it didn't come over right, but I was highlighting how many 'big' clubs had gone down. Obviously not very well.

What I’m saying is that there is a small group of clubs that are almost ‘relegation proof’ and the rest of the PL is more fluid. That hasn’t really changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage, as opposed to being a new thing, which is what Hodgy was suggesting. Whether you’ve spent 49 or 50 of the last 50 years in the top division is fairly academic.

It is a small group though, only Liverpool, Arsenal and Manyoo since the mid 70s. Whilst you can't see those three slipping up in the next few years, don't forget that DirtyLeeds and Derby dominated the top divison in the early 70s, Villa and Forrest did similar in the 80s.

I'm trying various different arrangements of tea leaves to 'prove' that our turn will come. I may be some time......

 

[BushBlade]

Maybe it didn't come over right, but I was highlighting how many 'big' clubs had gone down. Obviously not very well.



It is a small group though, only Liverpool, Arsenal and Manyoo since the mid 70s. Whilst you can't see those three slipping up in the next few years, don't forget that DirtyLeeds and Derby dominated the top divison in the early 70s, Villa and Forrest did similar in the 80s.

I'm trying various different arrangements of tea leaves to 'prove' that our turn will come. I may be some time......

Winning the league a couple of times isn’t dominating though.

I don’t think it’s changed much since the abolition of the maximum wage. Arsenal have never been down, Man U for a season in the 70s, don’t think Liverpool have been down since Shankly took them up.
Clubs like Leeds, Forest, Blackburn, Derby have had their moments in the sun but it’s been relatively fleeting.

I agree that Bournemouth won’t be up there forever. Even with a new ground, they’d just be another Southampton.

Which bit of this are you struggling with, that leads you to keep repeating the same point?

This is like;
‘It’s raining outside’
I know, I’m going to put a coat on
‘Yeah but it’s raining outside’

 

[I should coco]

Winning the league a couple of times isn’t dominating though

It is for our deluded S6 chums. After 'dominating' the Mickey Mouse Cup they went onto 'dominate' Europe until losing to Kaiserlauten who unfairly played the pre match music too loudly.

Why is the conversation now about 'dominating' BTW?

Which bit of this are you struggling with, that leads you to keep repeating the same point?

This is like;
‘It’s raining outside’
I know, I’m going to put a coat on
‘Yeah but it’s raining outside’

I'll reply in a bit when it's stopped raining.

 

[Harrisblade]

Maybe it didn't come over right, but I was highlighting how many 'big' clubs had gone down. Obviously not very well.



It is a small group though, only Liverpool, Arsenal and Manyoo since the mid 70s. Whilst you can't see those three slipping up in the next few years, don't forget that DirtyLeeds and Derby dominated the top divison in the early 70s, Villa and Forrest did similar in the 80s.

I'm trying various different arrangements of tea leaves to 'prove' that our turn will come. I may be some time......

You won't get anywhere if you don't stop using tea-bags

 

[BushBlade]

It is for our deluded S6 chums. After 'dominating' the Mickey Mouse Cup they went onto 'dominate' Europe until losing to Kaiserlauten who unfairly played the pre match music too loudly.

Why is the conversation now about 'dominating' BTW?



I'll reply in a bit when it's stopped raining.

I don’t know, you’re the one going on about Villa, Forest etc dominating. There’s some right cap doffing going on.

 

[Silent Blade]

In my lifetime the Blades have had a handful of years in the top flight a handful in League 1 and apart from that we’ve been mid-table/play off contenders in the Championship. In my view this is our place in the pecking order, some people seem to think we belong higher but I don’t know what that’s based on.

We have had 60 seasons in the top division

 

[Silent Blade]

Arsenal have never been down, .

Relegated in 1913

 

[Houston_Blade]

We have had 60 seasons in the top division

I’m only 34, hence the reference to my lifetime.