Crisis, what crisis?

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I don't think we're in a "crisis" as such, but we're not in a fit state as a club, on the whole, at present - Paddy's more than likely to be banned for a long period of time; Ward's banned; Killa's refused a contract renewal; both Kyle's look as if they're going... the list could go on.

However, I feel that if the club is prepared to sell both of the Kyle's, then they believe we have adequate cover for both of them, either now, or from the cash that we will receive from the pair, come the end of this transfer window. I think the club's making a mistake letting Walker go though, especially now. If we could keep hold of him for another season, and a full one at that, I think he'll be worth much more than what he currently stands at.
 

I didn’t say that the two scenarios were the same; I said that I look back on the sale of Beattie in the same manner I do as the sale of Deane and Fjortoft.

To elaborate; selling our best goal scorers / only goal scorer whilst we are supposed to be battling to get promoted was a self inflicted and fatal blow in our failed promotion bids in both seasons.

BT was a good player but we're better off without him. When he played it was BT and 10 players, without we are a team.

I don't think this was his fault, he tried his best to fit in the team, but he just didn't fit into the way we played.
 
I didn’t say that the two scenarios were the same; I said that I look back on the sale of Beattie in the same manner I do as the sale of Deane and Fjortoft.

To elaborate; selling our best goal scorers / only goal scorer whilst we are supposed to be battling to get promoted was a self inflicted and fatal blow in our failed promotion bids in both seasons.
Fair enough but did you think promotion was ours to blow right up to the point Beattie was sold?
 
Fair enough but did you think promotion was ours to blow right up to the point Beattie was sold?

Nope not at all, i was just getting at the fact that in both seasons we sold proven goal-scorers when we had a good chance at promotion.

You should never make the same mistake twice. :(
 
Nope not at all, i was just getting at the fact that in both seasons we sold proven goal-scorers when we had a good chance at promotion.

You should never make the same mistake twice. :(

Correct. BT was the wrong striker for us :D
 
TThe way i see it is that we look every inch the club in the crisis.

The one thing is what really gets me is the amount of crap the clubs PR machine spins out week in, week out. One week its talk about redeveloping the lane for the World Cup, the next week it about the Sheffield United family (and i for one don't really care about Ferencvaros, White Star Wolume, Chengdu Blades and the other Aussie club whose name escapes me), then its how we are reprofiling with new young players who will be the next generation of Blades who will take us onwards and upwards but the sad reality is we get a tinpot club like Bristol City slating us for pleading poverty.

To be quite honest if the club is skint, then why don't they come out and be upfront with us now, and they will get respect for it, because at the moment i'm quickly losing all respect for McCabe, Rockett and Robinson. At the moment it seems like the only difference between McCabe and McDonald is that McCabe managed to get the real estate attached to Bramall Lane built on whilst McDonald didn't.
 
We did have more individual scorers last season thatn at any point in history though, so Beattie wasn't or one and only scorer, thankfully

When you play so many different players week in week out this will generally happen.
 
I'd love it if you could point out these solid fullback replacements that are going to:

a) sign for us
b) play as well as Naughton and Walker
c) fit in with our wage and transfer budget
d) fit in to the team before we play Boro.

Also, the remaining squad isn't what got us into the top three, as we've already lost Halford, Ward is suspended, Paddy is likely to be suspended, Hendo is out with an injury and Killa is refusing to sign a new contract.

There's being positive and then there's just being naively optimistic, and I fear you've fallen into the latter category. Whichever way you look at it, things ain't too rosy for us at the moment.

Well, we got Taylor for one, Bromby is quality, there are defenders like Woods and Collins out there....... We can replace Paddy and have often said the team plays as well with Bennett in goal ...... Ward is only out for a couple of games and there is no sign of Killa going anywhere...the talk about Walker always involves a loan back option... All to say I never said things are rosey just that folk are going over the top in making this an end of life crisis. We do not KNOW owt about what is going on, we just make it up as we see fit. We still have one of the strongest squads in the league and I am sure it will be stronger before the season starts. I do wish they would hurry up, but it's easy for me tp spend their money, but they are the ones who have to be smart about it.
 
BT was a good player but we're better off without him. When he played it was BT and 10 players, without we are a team.

I don't think this was his fault, he tried his best to fit in the team, but he just didn't fit into the way we played.

I've read this a number of times and I've replied with the following argument before, I make no apologies for repeating myself:

Our improvement had little to do with Beattie leaving. Beattie's last league game for us was in December, we played like shit until March! Yes, March!!! There were signs that things were gradually improving in late February but it certainly didn't happen the moment Beattie left. I think results wise Jan/Feb was probably the worst time to be a Blade last season (Wembley aside).

The improvement after then was because Blackwell stopped putting any old tom, dick and harry into unfamiliar positions to accommodate his ludicrous 4-3-3. We went back to 4-2-2, brought Cotts in, stopped rotating the keepers, settled on a fairly consistent centre-back pairing, and the first team/squad wasn't bogged down with half a team non-entities like Spring, Stokes, Webber, Sharp, Carney et al.

Beattie would probably have scored a load of goals if he'd been playing in the team from March onwards (yeah, yeah I know we can't say that for certain, he might have broken his leg or been kidnapped by aliens, etc, etc. He probably wouldn't have been sent off every 2 minutes like his replacement though!)
 
Fair enough point, Flawed. But can I just throw into the mix that the "ludicrous 4-3-3" that you are referring to was always more of a 4-5-1 building the team around and relying on one striker... That striker being...
 
I've read this a number of times and I've replied with the following argument before, I make no apologies for repeating myself:

Our improvement had little to do with Beattie leaving. Beattie's last league game for us was in December, we played like shit until March! Yes, March!!! There were signs that things were gradually improving in late February but it certainly didn't happen the moment Beattie left. I think results wise Jan/Feb was probably the worst time to be a Blade last season (Wembley aside).

The improvement after then was because Blackwell stopped putting any old tom, dick and harry into unfamiliar positions to accommodate his ludicrous 4-3-3. We went back to 4-2-2, brought Cotts in, stopped rotating the keepers, settled on a fairly consistent centre-back pairing, and the first team/squad wasn't bogged down with half a team non-entities like Spring, Stokes, Webber, Sharp, Carney et al.

Beattie would probably have scored a load of goals if he'd been playing in the team from March onwards (yeah, yeah I know we can't say that for certain, he might have broken his leg or been kidnapped by aliens, etc, etc. He probably wouldn't have been sent off every 2 minutes like his replacement though!)


Fair points, but he signed for us the season before and the team just wasn't a team with him in.
 
Crisis - What Crisis?

TThe way i see it is that we look every inch the club in the crisis.

On the other hand ........ If we complete the deals currently on the table (Smith, Evans, O'Toole), get a GK and accept that Walker will either stay or comeback on loan .... then we have a good squad. We have left-back covered between Taylor/Carney/Naysmith and right-back with Bromby/Walker (both of whom can cover for centre-back). If you are worried about a 'new' back four then you can play two defensive midfielders in front of them ... Monty and Williamson (or Quinn and O'Toole) and push Howard or Smith forward behind a front three. A more traditional pairing would be Little, Hendo or Evans, and Gray or we could have a speed line with Reid, Cots and Ward. Seems to me that's a team with potential for the play-offs at least. No Crisis, just pre-season jitters.
 
On the other hand ........ If we complete the deals currently on the table (Smith, Evans, O'Toole), get a GK and accept that Walker will either stay or comeback on loan .... then we have a good squad. We have left-back covered between Taylor/Carney/Naysmith and right-back with Bromby/Walker (both of whom can cover for centre-back). If you are worried about a 'new' back four then you can play two defensive midfielders in front of them ... Monty and Williamson (or Quinn and O'Toole) and push Howard or Smith forward behind a front three. A more traditional pairing would be Little, Hendo or Evans, and Gray or we could have a speed line with Reid, Cots and Ward. Seems to me that's a team with potential for the play-offs at least. No Crisis, just pre-season jitters.

You make it sound so simple.

There's no guarantee either Kyle will be coming back when/if sold. there has been no official statement to suggest they will be loaned back either.

Bromby is good cover only for me, and no longer a player we should be reliant on.

Players we have offers for.... Evans will more likely go to a better team, O'Toole could barely get a start for us last season and Smith well, I know he has a decent record at this level but I am far from a fan.

Playing 2 defensive midfielders will be a massive mistake and one we should never entertain. We accept Monty is our spoiler, so if we player another 'spoiler' the crowd will be on two peoples backs rather than one.

Williamson - I don't want to make a judgement before has played for us, but the signing is far from impressive.

Left back, Naysmith is out, Carney is a pussy and Taylor is yet unproven, that for me is not a good sign.

So as it stands for me, the defence is in a mess, left and right back will be left wide open for poorness as it stands. Centre midfield hasn't been addressed with a quality player yet, and I don't see it ever being fulfilled bya quality player in the near future. Up front we are left wanting by a big margin, a strike force of Ward, Hendo and Sharp are not going to produce goals on a regular basis.

Ah well.... it might see Blackie out of a job at least.
 
Its alright, we've got 3 weeks to go until the season start .... plenty of time to sign players, get them training and playing pre-season games to gel with the squad...
..errrr...no! we're doomed!
 
You make it sound so simple.

There's no guarantee either Kyle will be coming back when/if sold. there has been no official statement to suggest they will be loaned back either.

Bromby is good cover only for me, and no longer a player we should be reliant on.

Players we have offers for.... Evans will more likely go to a better team, O'Toole could barely get a start for us last season and Smith well, I know he has a decent record at this level but I am far from a fan.

Playing 2 defensive midfielders will be a massive mistake and one we should never entertain. We accept Monty is our spoiler, so if we player another 'spoiler' the crowd will be on two peoples backs rather than one.

Williamson - I don't want to make a judgement before has played for us, but the signing is far from impressive.

Left back, Naysmith is out, Carney is a pussy and Taylor is yet unproven, that for me is not a good sign.

So as it stands for me, the defence is in a mess, left and right back will be left wide open for poorness as it stands. Centre midfield hasn't been addressed with a quality player yet, and I don't see it ever being fulfilled bya quality player in the near future. Up front we are left wanting by a big margin, a strike force of Ward, Hendo and Sharp are not going to produce goals on a regular basis.

Ah well.... it might see Blackie out of a job at least.

Well I guess if you are going to condemn every player as useless then you will always win your argument. I see your assessment of these players as out to lunch. They may not be the best individual players in the league but they are not the trollope you make them out to be. I agree with Blakwell in that we are getting good quality players. The challenge with any group is to get them to play as a team, hence my concern that we don't make the best use of preseason to work the new players in if we delay the new signings. But there is no crisis.
 

It all depends, if you are starting by defining none of our current players as quality then we have no basis for agreement. Despite their off days I do regard the current squad as quality (as long as we remember we are in the Championship, we did come third and could compete with any team in the league). So for me, bringing in players as good as or better gives them a quality stamp. BT cost a lot of money (more than we can handle on a regular basis) and many here still described him as lazy, not worth a place, and us a better team when he left. BT was and is a class player. All the 'new' players in camp could be starting players, all those on our current shopping list could be starting players. To say these are not quality championship players is nonsense. The challenge always is to get them to function as a team, we will not get promorion just because we have the best collection of individuals.
 
It all depends, if you are starting by defining none of our current players as quality then we have no basis for agreement. Despite their off days I do regard the current squad as quality (as long as we remember we are in the Championship, we did come third and could compete with any team in the league). So for me, bringing in players as good as or better gives them a quality stamp. BT cost a lot of money (more than we can handle on a regular basis) and many here still described him as lazy, not worth a place, and us a better team when he left. BT was and is a class player. All the 'new' players in camp could be starting players, all those on our current shopping list could be starting players. To say these are not quality championship players is nonsense. The challenge always is to get them to function as a team, we will not get promorion just because we have the best collection of individuals.

I can agree with you up to a point.

The squad we have no doubt contains quality - Killa, Naughton, Naysmith, Walker, Paddy, Monty, Cotterill, Ward, Morgs have all shown some very good, consistent form and would have made it into the teams in the top 2 last season when in form. They're clearly decent players

The rest of the squad, new buys, accepted bid players and speculated I have serious reservations. None of the rest of the team have performed well enough and consistent enough for us. You could also argue that players like Monty, Cotterill, Morgs under performed far too often, but hopefully now they're the cornerstones of the team.

The players we've got bids in for and bought, only Smith is a player that could be argued is at the the top of his game, the rest are from poor teams or released. I don't know any thing about Taylor to comment, but he's an U20 player so sounds promising.

We needed an overhaul and I think Blackie's doing this, he hasn't messed with the back four (until the Kyle's situation) and we got Bromby as cover, plus he looks to be trying a few youngsters out at full backs. We needed creativity and I think Blackies addressing this, we need a striker that's big and mobile and he seems to be trying this. But a commanding Midfielder? So far I've seen nothing and 2003 was a very long time ago...Brown and Macca (followed by Speed) were never properly replaced, I accept the C. midfield has changed so the Macca/ Speed role has become Monty's stopper role. This situation has never changed and now more than ever we need a commanding ball player, winner in the air and attacking midfielder...Quinny is certainly not this, he can play the left or in a C. midfield 3 (possibly with Howard), but we lack in this area.

The rest of the team needs work, no doubt, we need a C Half back up - Walker?

So whilst we have quality and some potential in the squad its hardly the makings of a team that's geared up and ready to hit the ground running and go for a promotion form start to the season.

All that's gone off in the last 2 weeks should have been dealt with quickly. Were no further forward now than we were then. Plus with our two most promising players having transfers out pending its as close to a crisis that it could be.

Who knows what the rest of the squad think of the situation but its far from ideal planning to a promotion push!
 
It all depends, if you are starting by defining none of our current players as quality then we have no basis for agreement. Despite their off days I do regard the current squad as quality (as long as we remember we are in the Championship, we did come third and could compete with any team in the league). So for me, bringing in players as good as or better gives them a quality stamp. BT cost a lot of money (more than we can handle on a regular basis) and many here still described him as lazy, not worth a place, and us a better team when he left. BT was and is a class player. All the 'new' players in camp could be starting players, all those on our current shopping list could be starting players. To say these are not quality championship players is nonsense. The challenge always is to get them to function as a team, we will not get promorion just because we have the best collection of individuals.

Still... who are the good quality player we are getting that you agree with blackwell?
 

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