Creswell & Monty out for 'financial reasons'

[borbokis]

A wednesday supporting college said they were in a similar situation with one of their players when they had no money (Clinton Morrisson?). The player went to his lawer so he could waive the clause so he could play. Do we think something like that might happen?

 

[LSF]

It's a very sensible decision by the club. Neither are first choices any more and in Monty's case he is hardly an impact player from the bench! I suspect DW has not been told "you can't pick them for your team" but rather "If they are not selected to play, we can't justify them being on the bench". That is sound common sense and sensible economics. It also gives us the chance to introduce more youngsters into the squad, which is actually what people have been advocating for years. Most of us think these two have outstayed their value in any event.

Much ado about nothing from some of our more volatile and less intelligent followers!

As ever Pinchy, you have it in one. And your final comment is even more accurate!

 

[northernblade]

Got to say not too bothered about monty but I think we could probably use creswell at some point this season. Looks as though they won't be going anywhere fast so we need to think of things they can do? cover the tills in the club shop?

 

[northernblade]

Got to say not too bothered about monty but I think we could probably use creswell at some point this season. Looks as though they won't be going anywhere fast so we need to think of things they can do? cover the tills in the club shop?

are we so much in the mess, staff cuts and players not playing

 

[northernblade]

are we in such a mess why? staff cuts. players not playing
where is all the money

 

[UnitedBlade]

Nice try. Obviously he aint going to accept the same terms over 3 years as he would get in 1. However if he signed a 3 year contract for 8k for example, we would pay the difference for this year only.

The example is more for cresswell who is 33/34. he won't get a 2 year contract off anyone at the end of this year and will struggle to pick up anything he wants. Take less over 2 years now.

Cresswell is 35 in 4 weeks time, he won't be getting a two year contract from anyone ever again. We can only hope he will move because he wants to play football. The money men will insist that he is not picked again for SUFC unless there is a major re-negotiation of his final year's term.

 

[Bergen Blade]

are we in such a mess why? staff cuts. players not playing
where is all the money

For years a lot of people on this board have refused to believe we have been paying our players far too much.

 

[sheffielder]

Cresswell is 35 in 4 weeks time, he won't be getting a two year contract from anyone ever again. We can only hope he will move because he wants to play football. The money men will insist that he is not picked again for SUFC unless there is a major re-negotiation of his final year's term.

Even for football reasons I wouldn't pick him. People overplay experience, but what experience does he have that will help? I can't think of any big games that will help playing for Preston, Leeds of the Pigs. What good did it do for us in the play off final? I am glad the money men have made this decision, at least they are trying to treat the rot.

Porter can be the experience over a guy who breaks his nose and dislocates his shoulder trying to head a ball a foot off the ground.

 

[sheffielder]

are we in such a mess why? staff cuts. players not playing
where is all the money

Crowds are down to 17k and we don't get any TV money. With players on stupid money is it a wonder we can't pay the bills by ourself

 

[metalblade]

When Warnock was here the break even attendance was 16k

 

[Brisca Blade]

If it wasnt about there wages these two would not really fit into the matchday squad. Monty dosent fit into the way the manager wants to play Doyle/Mcdonald to start with Whitehouse and Mcallister as back up. Cresswell is to old and slow as said many times before on this forum and Blackman already looks a better prospect pacy and goals. Miller/Cofie/Porter/Ironside/Philliskirk are all better options

 

[sheffielder]

When Warnock was here the break even attendance was 16k

How many players on 12k did he have?

 

[Pinchy]

As ever Pinchy, you have it in one. And your final comment is even more accurate!

Yes mate, it is. I think, by an unfortunate co-incidence, Micalijo was posting seconds before me and he thinks the final comment is aimed at him. It is not. His contribution was not there when I posted.

In fact I made, today, one of my very occasional visits to the TILD site, where there appears to be an unprecedented outbreak of nonsense aggravated by severe levels of drivel.

 

[raul]

Yes mate, it is. I think, by an in fortunate co-incidence, Micalijo was posting seconds before me and he thinks the final comment is aimed at him. It is not. His contribution was not there when I posted.

In fact I made, today, one of my very occasional visits to the TILD site, where there appears to be an unprecedented outbreak of nonsense aggravated by severe levels of drivel.

Good old BB.

 

[mekkyblade]

As ever Pinchy, you have it in one. And your final comment is even more accurate!

Its not that the youngsters shouldn't be blooded into the team but it should be done bit by bit alongside a seasoned pro to help their progress, hence 'blooding them in'. Not to throw them all in at once and hope they hit the ground running. Personally i think cesswell alongside one of the youngsters to start and then fetch another into the mix from the bench, just my opinion, if that makes me less intelligent or volatile then so be it.

 

[metalblade]

How many players on 12k did he have?

Exactly

 

[Sirius]

McCabe now meddling in team affairs - the ultimate humiliation for any manager and a complete disgrace.

Obviously I am delighted we may never see Monty again but we could do with Cresswell at times I am sure. McCabe sanctioned these signings so let em play if needed.

Also sickening listening to Blackwell summarising last night - the man who is responsible in a large degree for this situation

I am way out of the loop regarding what goes on at the Lane. It does concern me though, when I get emails away from this forum that suggest Wilson is ready to walk, if things back stage aren't improved by October. Can someone confirm that this information is bollocks? The reference to McCabe in Mialijo's post is mirrored in the posts that I have received.

 

[Revolution]

I would love to know the name of the individual who made the decision to renew Monty's contract in the summer of 2010. Obviously, McCabe ultimately signed off on the deal, but someone, somewhere, must have thought it was a good idea and recommended it...

This is not the first time United have done stuff like this. I seem to recall Jostein Flo was got rid off because another appearance would have triggered some sort of payment.

I still hold out home that someone will take one of both of these two off the books, probably on loan, though as others have said Cresswell may have his uses if he were allowed to play.

The interesting (and worrying) thing about this is how far the McCabes are prepared to go/have to go in order to balance their budget. I would not be surprised to see a first teamer or two sold if there are no takers for Monty and Cresswell.

 

[travellingblade]

When Warnock was here the break even attendance was 16k

That may be true, but he didn't have to contend with the 65% of turnover rule.

 

[Blade58]

Latest rumour update from BM board last night, which sort of makes sense as Wilson has stated there has been no interest from clubs for Cressy and Monty:

"The club are trying to cancel the contracts of Cresswell and Monty, talks are talking place. This could happen if either player is still here come September. This will also keep the players free to find a club after the window closes. There will be at least 2 players coming in before the window closes if these 2 players leave. Times are tough, but its not all gloom. For the record, all you McCabe critics, the guy is bailing the club out on a monthly basis, don't get frustrated, just support the club.We are all Blades and want the same thing. Ps, no bids for Quinn or Harry."

 

[stannyblade]

I am way out of the loop regarding what goes on at the Lane. It does concern me though, when I get emails away from this forum that suggest Wilson is ready to walk, if things back stage aren't improved by October. Can someone confirm that this information is bollocks? The reference to McCabe in Mialijo's post is mirrored in the posts that I have received.

I was told he went for the Hull job so it could well be true

 

[metalblade]

Times are tough, but its not all gloom. For the record, all you McCabe critics, the guy is bailing the club out on a monthly basis

Really ??? do you have the figures to support such a statement ?
Not allowing Danny to play Monty or Cresswell would suggest exactly the opposite, sounds like a load of bollocks to me but if he is bailing the club out he is at least doing the right thing afterall he is the main reason we are in the present financial mess. I'm sure another chunk of Bramall lane spirited away through the hall of mirrors will soothe his bleeding heart.

 

[Grecian2000]

I would love to know the name of the individual who made the decision to renew Monty's contract in the summer of 2010. Obviously, McCabe ultimately signed off on the deal, but someone, somewhere, must have thought it was a good idea and recommended it...

This is not the first time United have done stuff like this. I seem to recall Jostein Flo was got rid off because another appearance would have triggered some sort of payment.

I still hold out home that someone will take one of both of these two off the books, probably on loan, though as others have said Cresswell may have his uses if he were allowed to play.

The interesting (and worrying) thing about this is how far the McCabes are prepared to go/have to go in order to balance their budget. I would not be surprised to see a first teamer or two sold if there are no takers for Monty and Cresswell.

1. I always presumed it was Lord Hoof who wanted to give his essential players long term contracts. The board (or KM) backed him and then sacked him.

2. Surely the man Jostein was got rid of because he was useless!

3. If we have to sell anyone then I can only see it being Maguire now, we really have got rid of the family silver over the last few years and only have him as a proper "good business" sale item.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

1. I always presumed it was Lord Hoof who wanted to give his essential players long term contracts. The board (or KM) backed him and then sacked him.

2. Surely the man Jostein was got rid of because he was useless!

3. If we have to sell anyone then I can only see it being Maguire now, we really have got rid of the family silver over the last few years and only have him as a proper "good business" sale item.

Not sure of the rules, but would selling maguire even help us out of our current situation? We've submitted our turnover for last year already. We have to get our wages under 65% of that figure don't we? Maguire's not going to be on much at the moment. Of course, selling him now, would mean our turnover goes up in time for next years drop to 60% of turnover....

 

[Grecian2000]

The only thing selling Maguire would help would be the cash flow presumably (assusming we would get the funds at the time of sale). I just happen to think he is the only one capable of fetching a decent fee in and that would then enable us to keep paying the ridiculous contracts for a few more weeks.

PS. I am in NO WAY advocating selling him by the way!!!! I would sooner higher a "hit man" to reduce the wage bill elsewhere.

 

[super_pig]

i think Bootwell saw the writing on the wall with Speed and left us a poisoned chalice of older players on ridiculous contracts, knowing it would take three years to muddle through it

 

[HoodedClaw]

Im confused.

Apologies if this is incorrect, but we were all saying we wanted to see more Academy and young hungry players in the team.

We were all saying that Monty doesnt fit into the new style and that Cresswell is Shite and slow.

Now they arent in the squad and we have more academy and young hungry players playing, folk are moaning that Cresswell and Monty arent in the squad.

You couldnt make it up

Im also not buying the its for financial reasons either, as I put on another thread, I just dont think they figure in DW's plans but it would be a bit poor if he came out and said "Yeah, theyre both fit, the reason they arent in the squad is because theyre shite"

Fuck Monty and Cresswell, they are not the future, move on.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Highbury is correct, Maguire may be our only asset of value but selling him wouldnt help this season. The turnover figures have been submitted so any income from his sale would be counted on next seasons turnover, and his wages arent high enough to reduce the wage bill significantly.

 

[Revolution]

Moving Quinn on would also work, as you would get less than for Maguire but his wages will be higher (hey that rhymes!). He's also more likely to attract interest than the other two.

I'd better stop with this as I don't want to give people ideas.

Apologies if this is incorrect, but we were all saying we wanted to see more Academy and young hungry players in the team.
Speaking only for myself, I only want more academy and young hungry players in the side if they are any good. To give just one example, it is unclear as yet whether we would be better off with Cresswell rather than Cofie.

 

[JohnDenver]

Speaking only for myself, I only want more academy and young hungry players in the side if they are any good. To give just one example, it is unclear as yet whether we would be better off with Cresswell rather than Cofie.

I'd like to see more youngsters in the side so long they show the promise to become good.

If Cofie doesn't start performing soon, let's ditch him. He's not ours to invest in.