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I find it a bit mad singling Coutts out as a wage leech etc by the same Blades fans on here that have done it since the day he arrived at the Lane as Cloughs mate, regardless of how he plays.
I go home and away, week in and week out and from what I have seen the majority of the team have been piss poor. Brayford for one jumps to mind!!!. Probably one of our best paid players and wage leeches.
I am not defending Coutts or any other player. I am also not singling out any player, just using Brayford as an example. We are a mid table third division team with mid table standard players as a team, not one single player this season has been great week in week out, including Reid or Adams! It is not and has never just been Coutts that has been shit.
 



Woodwardfan said:
I'm not Basham's biggest fan in midfield but if he was given Hammond's defensive role I think he could get his head round that and play the position which in 3-5-2 is anchor midfield dropping back to supplement Back 3 at times.

Not seen enough of Cuvelier but don't think he's really a defensive midfielder. Interestingly I don't think Hammond has any true rivals for that position.

Scougall 'No.10' or nothing.

Suggest:

Long

Collins, Edgar, McEveley.

Brayford, Cuvelier, Basham, Reed, Flynn/ Woolford

Sharp and Adams or rather Done ( v his old club).

Considering how crap Hammond is supposed to be we look vulnerable without him there!! It all looks a bit 'thin'.
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But Hammond didn't play deep DM role on Saturday in this system. He played on the right of a 3 where most of the time, Reed was the deepest. Indeed Hammond got forward quite a bit setting up Sharp for his goal and his disallowed goal and having his own disallowed effort cleared off the line. I actually think that role suits Basham more than the holding DM role as it allows him to make use of his greater stamina to get box to box. But, he played very well in the back 3 Saturday and it would be a shame to disrupt that.
 
I do find it surprising that sitwell has such polarised opinions of Baxter and Coutts as they do have some similar strengths and weaknesses (not identical) though Baxter has proven himself to be untrustworthy and irresponsible.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
But Hammond didn't play deep DM role on Saturday in this system. He played on the right of a 3 where most of the time, Reed was the deepest. Indeed Hammond got forward quite a bit setting up Sharp for his goal and his disallowed goal and having his own disallowed effort cleared off the line. I actually think that role suits Basham more than the holding DM role as it allows him to make use of his greater stamina to get box to box. But, he played very well in the back 3 Saturday and it would be a shame to disrupt that.
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I wasn't at the game and had assumed Hammond played the anchor, now that is a surprise.
 
Gee said:
I find it a bit mad singling Coutts out as a wage leech etc by the same Blades fans on here that have done it since the day he arrived at the Lane as Cloughs mate, regardless of how he plays.
I go home and away, week in and week out and from what I have seen the majority of the team have been piss poor. Brayford for one jumps to mind!!!. Probably one of our best paid players and wage leeches.
I am not defending Coutts or any other player. I am also not singling out any player, just using Brayford as an example. We are a mid table third division team with mid table standard players as a team, not one single player this season has been great week in week out, including Reid or Adams! It is not and has never just been Coutts that has been shit.
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I find the whole 'wage leech' thing a bit tedious.
 
Woodwardfan said:
I wasn't at the game and had assumed Hammond played the anchor, now that is a surprise.
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Adkins is in the proces of creating a team of total football galactico's.

Watch out for salmon at centre back snuffing out crosses with his aerial abilities in the next game.
 
Gee said:
I find it a bit mad singling Coutts out as a wage leech etc by the same Blades fans on here that have done it since the day he arrived at the Lane as Cloughs mate, regardless of how he plays.
I go home and away, week in and week out and from what I have seen the majority of the team have been piss poor. Brayford for one jumps to mind!!!. Probably one of our best paid players and wage leeches.
I am not defending Coutts or any other player. I am also not singling out any player, just using Brayford as an example. We are a mid table third division team with mid table standard players as a team, not one single player this season has been great week in week out, including Reid or Adams! It is not and has never just been Coutts that has been shit.
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Perhaps you should then refer to the thread title, which sort of singles out Coutts.

Start a thread about most of our other players, and you will get a similar response from many, myself included.

"Just because Clough signed them" is equated to "the majority of our players" and highly correlated with "shite". It's not personal.

UTB
 
Coutts is well deserving of a shirt next season. Very tidy footballer, neat feet, and vision. 3 great attributes that you could build a team round.

He's one of only about 8, though... That's the bad point.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
But Hammond didn't play deep DM role on Saturday in this system. He played on the right of a 3 where most of the time, Reed was the deepest. Indeed Hammond got forward quite a bit setting up Sharp for his goal and his disallowed goal and having his own disallowed effort cleared off the line. I actually think that role suits Basham more than the holding DM role as it allows him to make use of his greater stamina to get box to box. But, he played very well in the back 3 Saturday and it would be a shame to disrupt that.
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I thought Bashams stamina and energy are partly what helped us at the weekend, when teams bring on players our defence are generally very pedestrian, whereas he is still there full of energy, like he's just started the match. I'm not a big fan of him at CM, he has a tendency to get the ball and run aimlessly into players or a touchline, but in defence I would be happy if was our first choice. He's tall, good in the air, pretty quick, willing to put himself in front of the ball and can be quite aggressive in the tackle when needed. Those are all abilities we have lacked at some time or another at the back.
 
dannysufc_ said:
Coutts is well deserving of a shirt next season. Very tidy footballer, neat feet, and vision. 3 great attributes that you could build a team round.

He's one of only about 8, though... That's the bad point.
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If we are now as poor as some say we are and a bucket load getting dumped at season end you may get your wish.
This new 3-5-2 formation might be ok - perhaps a midfield of Reed, Coutts and Flo might just work out - it has a bit of everything.
We might even see it once Hammond is suspended - Adkins has tried most other combinations!

UTB
 
Woodwardfan said:
I'm not Basham's biggest fan in midfield but if he was given Hammond's defensive role I think he could get his head round that and play the position which in 3-5-2 is anchor midfield dropping back to supplement Back 3 at times.

Not seen enough of Cuvelier but don't think he's really a defensive midfielder. Interestingly I don't think Hammond has any true rivals for that position.

Scougall 'No.10' or nothing.

Suggest:

Long

Collins, Edgar, McEveley.

Brayford, Cuvelier, Basham, Reed, Flynn/ Woolford

Sharp and Adams or rather Done ( v his old club).

Considering how crap Hammond is supposed to be we look vulnerable without him there!! It all looks a bit 'thin'.
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Just scanning through this part of the thread and I agree replacing Hammond seems very difficult despite him apparently not doing very much.

It's not blindingly obvious what he brings but it seems like it might be missed.

Maybe it really is this ability to do simple things well that is really valuable.

The Mystery of Dean Hammond.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Just scanning through this part of the thread and I agree replacing Hammond seems very difficult despite him apparently not doing very much.

It's not blindingly obvious what he brings but it seems like it might be missed.

Maybe it really is this ability to do simple things well that is really valuable.

The Mystery of Dean Hammond.
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I noticed when he went off in the Swindon match, the midfield seemed to immediately and visibly lose belief / panic etc. which led to Swindon getting seriously on top and equalising. This was a mystery to me, as like many I find it hard to see what he does and he lacks pace. He seems to be like some sort of enforcer that gives the other less rugged technical players (by this I mean ones that don't get booked) a bit of belief.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Just scanning through this part of the thread and I agree replacing Hammond seems very difficult despite him apparently not doing very much.

It's not blindingly obvious what he brings but it seems like it might be missed.

Maybe it really is this ability to do simple things well that is really valuable.

The Mystery of Dean Hammond.
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Without obvious abilities, he has presence. So many of our midfielders aren't hardly noticed by the opposition. At least with Hammond they have to look over their shoulder and know they've been in a game. Absolutely what we lacked before he came.
 



Fulwood Blade said:
If we are now as poor as some say we are and a bucket load getting dumped at season end you may get your wish.
This new 3-5-2 formation might be ok - perhaps a midfield of Reed, Coutts and Flo might just work out - it has a bit of everything.
We might even see it once Hammond is suspended - Adkins has tried most other combinations!

UTB
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Adkins has said he wants six tallish players for marking at set pieces. Coutts is 6'0, but doesn't seem very interested in challenging for headers. The three centre backs and the wing backs give him five. Will he be happy with that?
 
Bergen Blade said:
Adkins has said he wants six tallish players for marking at set pieces. Coutts is 6'0, but doesn't seem very interested in challenging for headers. The three centre backs and the wing backs give him five. Will he be happy with that?
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One of the major problems SUFC have now is that we have to make compromises.

The squad is being trimmed to a more reasonable size for various reason (football as well as financial) and it is up to the football management to work something out for the squad that is left.

No it doesn't necessarily need 6 and during a game - substitutions can completely alter the size/makeup of a team.

Lack of height (for me) is complete bollox - I am 6' 2" and used to play centre forward (when young and fit!) and moved to centre half (30+) and I played with a pal in centre mid who was 5' 6" (he had been on Everton's books as a youngster) and his timing was impeccable - during training, he was aggressive and took great pleasure in trying to beat us taller players and if you didn't concentrate then he would win a lot of balls. So - I don't buy this 6 big players, yes it's ideal but it's how you adapt and if a player has commitment then you can (at least) compete.

This is what a lot of us are complaining about - we need to see our players COMPETE - sadly some are or appear to be coming up short in this department.

There were no better examples of Bob Booker and Monty for commitment to the cause.

UTB
 
Regardless of the players and what formation they play in - the fact remains that this team is doing worse than last season and that is down to the manager. He talks about plan A B and C but he hasn't got the players who can translate his plans into action on the pitch. The question should be: how much time should he be allowed to get it right? My view is if we can get the players in he wants then give him a chance. However we haven't shown much muscle in the transfer market so I fear this is a forlorn hope. On the other hand there is no guarantee that anyone else would do any better with this lot. We are where we are.

Kevin McCabe still hasn't apologised for the "Gamechanging Investment" comments. Maybe now would be a good time to say sorry Kevin.
 
Dellas Cowboys said:
I noticed when he went off in the Swindon match, the midfield seemed to immediately and visibly lose belief / panic etc. which led to Swindon getting seriously on top and equalising. This was a mystery to me, as like many I find it hard to see what he does and he lacks pace. He seems to be like some sort of enforcer that gives the other less rugged technical players (by this I mean ones that don't get booked) a bit of belief.
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I think the loss of Basham before Hammond started the ball rolling in the Swindon game but agree losing Hammond as well made like all the more difficult.


He has some big shortcomings (limited on the ball and painfully slow) but what he brings to the team that none of our other midfielders do is defensive positional awareness and physical presence. We are harder to play through when he is playing because when we don’t have the ball, he takes up a position protecting the back four and even if he doesn’t make the tackle or interception, his presence prompts the opposition to not play the simple defence splitting pass that they otherwise might. That’s something I notice in his debut game against Fleetwood when he partnered Basham in centre mid. We weren’t brilliant to watch but Fleetwood never created a thing all game when in previous games we’d been very vulnerable.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I think the loss of Basham before Hammond started the ball rolling in the Swindon game but agree losing Hammond as well made like all the more difficult.


He has some big shortcomings (limited on the ball and painfully slow) but what he brings to the team that none of our other midfielders do is defensive positional awareness and physical presence. We are harder to play through when he is playing because when we don’t have the ball, he takes up a position protecting the back four and even if he doesn’t make the tackle or interception, his presence prompts the opposition to not play the simple defence splitting pass that they otherwise might. That’s something I notice in his debut game against Fleetwood when he partnered Basham in centre mid. We weren’t brilliant to watch but Fleetwood never created a thing all game when in previous games we’d been very vulnerable.
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yes, I agree it was exacerbated that day by Basham being withdrawn just before - think NA suggested he was injured
 
Fulwood Blade said:
One of the major problems SUFC have now is that we have to make compromises.

The squad is being trimmed to a more reasonable size for various reason (football as well as financial) and it is up to the football management to work something out for the squad that is left.

No it doesn't necessarily need 6 and during a game - substitutions can completely alter the size/makeup of a team.

Lack of height (for me) is complete bollox - I am 6' 2" and used to play centre forward (when young and fit!) and moved to centre half (30+) and I played with a pal in centre mid who was 5' 6" (he had been on Everton's books as a youngster) and his timing was impeccable - during training, he was aggressive and took great pleasure in trying to beat us taller players and if you didn't concentrate then he would win a lot of balls. So - I don't buy this 6 big players, yes it's ideal but it's how you adapt and if a player has commitment then you can (at least) compete.

This is what a lot of us are complaining about - we need to see our players COMPETE - sadly some are or appear to be coming up short in this department.

There were no better examples of Bob Booker and Monty for commitment to the cause.

UTB
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Rochdale put on two big players at half time yesterday, Holt and Vincenti, both very strong in the air. It meant Brayford ended up marking Holt, a player three stones heavier than himself and Brayford lost him for their second goal.

Maybe people will look at Brayford and just blame him. But the reality is that when we regularly use markers who are not quite as strong as their opponents, there is a weakness in our set up and it's not a great consolation to have an individual to blame.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Rochdale put on two big players at half time yesterday, Holt and Vincenti, both very strong in the air. It meant Brayford ended up marking Holt, a player three stones heavier than himself and Brayford lost him for their second goal.

Maybe people will look at Brayford and just blame him. But the reality is that when we regularly use markers who are not quite as strong as their opponents, there is a weakness in our set up and it's not a great consolation to have an individual to blame.
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I agree to some extent but Brayford had got to do better than that. He is hardly a small player and just loses him without so much as even an attempt to stop him letting him go. Has to be stronger and cuter than that by putting a body on him.
 
When Coutt's ability as a footballer is raised, most notably his inability to mark, run, tackle, head, the response from many is that he's a quality footballer.

That, he may be, but the stats speak for themselves:

Played 25
Assists 2
Goal 0
Shots 2

Now, compare that to our other 'quality footballer', Baxter:

Played 28
Assists 5
Goals 7
Shots 10

and then, the much derided Martin Woolford

Played 27
Assists 2
Goals 1
Shots 10

and then, Matt Done

Played 24
Assists 0
Goals 7
Shots 12

I'm not quite sure what people think he brings to the team?
 
Coutts had a few games recently that made me rethink my position of "he's f'ing useless". But he's still another player whose qualities don't stand out from our other options. We don't look noticeably better with him in the side. We don't look worse without him.

It's some defence of Adkins to say that he's given nearly every player a good few chances and we're yet to hit on an 11 that stands out.
 



Coutts is probably our most improved player and was playing well until the wigan game, he'll come back around, and all this thread is doing is showing us how fickle our own fans are once again.
 
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