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I would think the biggest problems would be his lack of stamina to play the centre mid role he may struggle to do the 90 minutes also if he's going to play there he is going from time to time to put a few hefty challenges in and he has looked worried about aggravating the old injury when getting stuck in.
 
He runs like he's wearing a leg brace.when he gets tackled no effort with the ball back.he can't head a ball and occasional nice one two with Brayford is not enough.
If he makes a decent pass he stands still admiring what he's done , doesn't pass his mind let's get into the box and score.
He's just a passenger.
A leach on our team
 
sitwell said:
He did when he came on on Saturday, he calmed us down kept the ball and was a big part of seeing the game out.
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I thought he did exactly what we needed by taking some air out of the ball.

Not sure if I trust him defensively only 90 minutes personally. I am not sure if it's just his style but looks like he doesn't give s shit and sometimes plays like it. I would like to see him in a 3 with reed and cuvellier on Saturday where we might look to keep the ball a bit more. Rather coutts than moving basham but maybe between the 3 of them they can work it out.
 
sitwell said:
You said this until he was just about our best player for 3 or 4 games and then you thought different, now after one indifferent game along with 10 others he is ridiculously benched for that no mark druggie and you revert back to your previous stance. Give the guy time and he will play well in a winning team like he was before Wigan.
Actually I'm surprised at you alco I think your views are pretty solid this post is for you and not the idiot above.
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I don't think different. I think he's stolen a wage for a large period, then had a patch when there's been a suggestion of a player there. With a few potential MOM's.

Because of the low quality of the squad, he's not keeping anyone of quality out when he's included, so I'm indifferent. And he does have some good qualities that others don't.

Like all our players, I want them to do well. But your enthusiasm for him is lost on me. Mine is just cold hard objective assessment as it plays out.
I'd love you to re watch that Barnsley away appearance and tell me your assessment of it, and anger at me, wasn't an emotional rather than an objective one.

UTB
 
davidblade said:
He runs like he's wearing a leg brace.when he gets tackled no effort with the ball back.he can't head a ball and occasional nice one two with Brayford is not enough.
If he makes a decent pass he stands still admiring what he's done , doesn't pass his mind let's get into the box and score.
He's just a passenger.
A leach on our team
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Your getting him mixed up with our soon to be ex druggie. And you wouldn't know a footballer if Bobby Moore your dad.
 
SwissBlade said:
I like Coutts, he always seems to link up well with Brayford and like you say he's got a good touch.

Perhaps playing Coutts, Reed and Cuvelier (if fit) might work.

I'd also play Flynn down the left instead of Woolford
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Yeah I'm not sure who else to play with him. Basham played so well at centre half he'd need to stay there if he keeps it up. Reed and (because we have few options and he'll definitely get picked) Hammond possibly.

Agree complete about Flynn. Odd decision to put Woolford there, who looks pretty dreadful. Flynn was out of his depth in the middle but would surely be a good fit for wing back.
 
alcoblade said:
I don't think different. I think he's stolen a wage for a large period, then had a patch when there's been a suggestion of a player there. With a few potential MOM's.

Because of the low quality of the squad, he's not keeping anyone of quality out when he's included, so I'm indifferent. And he does have some good qualities that others don't.

Like all our players, I want them to do well. But your enthusiasm for him is lost on me. Mine is just cold hard objective assessment as it plays out.
I'd love you to re watch that Barnsley away appearance and tell me your assessment of it, and anger at me, wasn't an emotional rather than an objective one.

UTB
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This season or last ? I was at both he was mom by a mile in one . I hate this stealing a wage comment when a player is injured which he obviously was . He will want to get back more than you imagine, I also think with a decent run in the side and the crowd behind him he will become our most important player. Can't understand why Adkins changed the side after one defeat same as he did earlier in the season, he does seem to panic .
 
Bergen Blade said:
Coutts came on and did some things brilliantly, but as usual there were occasions when he didn't seem bothered about opposition players jogging past him. If selected in this midfield I'd want him to be in the middle, a bit deeper than the other two, who would have to be able, and prepared, to run a marathon. Maybe Coutts could sweep up, rather than chase and press, which he unfortunately doesn't do well enough.
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Sounds just like Sitters other favorite player - baxter:p

Seriously - Coutts, sweeping :rolleyes: - ok I'll gerrim a brush.:D
 
sitwell said:
This season or last ? I was at both he was mom by a mile in one . I hate this stealing a wage comment when a player is injured which he obviously was . He will want to get back more than you imagine, I also think with a decent run in the side and the crowd behind him he will become our most important player. Can't understand why Adkins changed the side after one defeat same as he did earlier in the season, he does seem to panic .
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Last season at Barnsley was his best performance for us. This season he was woeful. You didn't quite agree. :)

Either he's just lazy (doubtful) or hasn't got it in him. It's taking forever, and the Wigan appearance was a real throwback. Call it stealing a wage or not, your ability to see chalk on cheese between him and Baxter (off field activity aside) takes some working out.

UTB
 



The most important thing in football is having the ball, you can do nothing without it. It also a very difficult thing to do for a midfielder at professional level.players who can do it are few an far between. Coutts is very good at it. Baxter was found out years ago, he can't do it. Coutts is a far better player.
 
Sheff de party said:
3-5-2 is made for him, particularly if we're playing 3 in the middle as we can accommodate someone who drifts in and out a bit and we're crying out for his footwork, creativity and intelligence. He showed enough in ten minutes on Saturday to make that clear, Exhibit A being a turn on the edge of his own box with 2 players round him where anyone else would have given it away. Dicey, but exciting.

He might be short. He might be inconsistent. He might not do it every week.

But he's got a lovely touch. Frankly there's only so many of the "Player X does the dirty work/works hard/puts a tackle in" that I can take when parting with £23 for the privilege :)
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He's 6 foot, how tall do you want him to be?

Like most players at the club he's capable of doing 2 or 3 of the 4 things he needs to do well ,but he's certainly got a role to play in a 3 man midfield.

He has vision and good technique but limited pace and hasn't got a 90 minute engine. If we are playing a 3 man midfield, and assuming that Basham's performance on Saturday has cemented his role in a 3 man central defence, then Adkins has the following to choose from (assuming that Baxter is finished)

Coutts, Flynn (out of his normal position but did his role on satdi), Hammond, Cuvelier, Reed,

Given that we want a balance of strength, mobility, positional sense, passing ability and forward drive that group looks a little lacking to me, and with Hammond missing for 2 games we look short in the area already.

edit: should have remembered Scougall, but I'm not sure if Adkins hasn't forgotten about him as well
 
blade67 said:
He's 6 foot, how tall do you want him to be?

Like most players at the club he's capable of doing 2 or 3 of the 4 things he needs to do well ,but he's certainly got a role to play in a 3 man midfield.

He has vision and good technique but limited pace and hasn't got a 90 minute engine. If we are playing a 3 man midfield, and assuming that Basham's performance on Saturday has cemented his role in a 3 man central defence, then Adkins has the following to choose from (assuming that Baxter is finished)

Coutts, Flynn (out of his normal position but did his role on satdi), Hammond, Cuvelier, Reed,

Given that we want a balance of strength, mobility, positional sense, passing ability and forward drive that group looks a little lacking to me, and with Hammond missing for 2 games we look short in the area already.

edit: should have remembered Scougall, but I'm not sure if Adkins hasn't forgotten about him as well
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Coutts in the right framework will be
a real asset he is quality player playing in a league that s below his stranded we have find a way to get the best from him.Clough did sell us
down the river but he did bring in some good players amongst the dross and in my opinion he's possibly the best
 
finlaytheblade said:
Coutts in the right framework will be
a real asset he is quality player playing in a league that s below his stranded we have find a way to get the best from him.Clough did sell us
down the river but he did bring in some good players amongst the dross and in my opinion he's possibly the best
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We keep hearing this about players who find themselves in the third division, then go on to even worse things from then on.

UTB
 
SwissBlade said:
Not entirely sure he needs to be a final third man, he certainly picks out a pass and with Brayford attacking down the right on the overlap he gives us an option for other players to push on
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Although the stats aren’t readily available, I suspect Coutts would score high if we counted the pass before the assist. He has similarities with McDonald in that way. He manages to find space in the midfield and release someone (usually Brayford) in the wide position. He has similar shortcomings as well in terms of aggression, athleticism and workrate. Whilst McDonald is the better player, there are similarities there. Personally, I’d bring him in for Hammond who’s suspended for the next game. It seems to have escaped a lot of people’s attention that Hammond, and not Flynn played on the right of the 3 man midfield so this would put him closer to Brayford which is a bonus. Flynn played on the left of the 3 with Reed in the middle. However, there’s a temptation to bring Collins in and push Basham back into midfield. The main reason for that is that Rochdale are vulnerable at set pieces and Collins is our biggest threat in that regard and that would allow us to remain reasonably combative and energetic in midfield too (something Coutts doesn’t give us).
 
Woodwardfan said:
I could go on there and play within a 30 metre area and play the simple ball to Brayford all the time. I'm 67 years old. No I couldn't defend but neither can Coutts.
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But could you retain the ball long enough to allow the run the time and weight the pass to the on-rushing Brayford whilst under pressure from an opposing player? That is what Coutts brings to the table. Doesn’t make him a complete player but rubbishing what he brings to the table as something a 67 year old could do is a bit churlish
 
mattbianco1 said:
3-5-2 ?? Where's that come from? Did we play 3-5-2 on Saturday? Genuine queation as I couldn't make it
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Yes. Hammond, Reed and Flynn as a midfield 3. McEveley, Edgar and Bash as a back 3 and Brayford and Woolford as wing backs.
 
Bergen Blade said:
If our wing backs are being occupied by the opposition's wide men, the three central midfielders do have to cover a lot of ground, which they did on Saturday. Coutts came on and did some things brilliantly, but as usual there were occasions when he didn't seem bothered about opposition players jogging past him:



If selected in this midfield I'd want him to be in the middle, a bit deeper than the other two, who would have to be able, and prepared, to run a marathon. Maybe Coutts could sweep up, rather than chase and press, which he unfortunately doesn't do well enough.
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So essentially playing the role Reed played on Saturday? I agree that would suit his abilities better but unless we push Basham up or bring back Scougall, struggle to see who we could play in the other role in Hammond’s absence.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
But could you retain the ball long enough to allow the run the time and weight the pass to the on-rushing Brayford whilst under pressure from an opposing player? That is what Coutts brings to the table. Doesn’t make him a complete player but rubbishing what he brings to the table as something a 67 year old could do is a bit churlish
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Tongue in cheek and a bit cheap too I suppose. It is a bit one-dimensional though and in a game against serious teams the opposition would be aware of that move before the game starts.

I just believe our team needs pace and mobility. I don't mind Coutts being in the team, though I think he needs carefully placing in a deep area of the field as he has to play well within himself and conserve his energy.

It's the combination of players that bothers me. We can't afford more than one ( on occasions two perhaps) of that type of player in the team. We need more midfielders with the will and the capability to cover box to box throughout the game.

Would I pick him in Hammond's role alongside Flynn and Reed on Saturday, no, I don't trust him defensively.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Tongue in cheek and a bit cheap too I suppose. It is a bit one-dimensional though and in a game against serious teams the opposition would be aware of that move before the game starts.

I just believe our team needs pace and mobility. I don't mind Coutts being in the team, though I think he needs carefully placing in a deep area of the field as he has to play well within himself and conserve his energy.

It's the combination of players that bothers me. We can't afford more than one ( on occasions two perhaps) of that type of player in the team. We need more midfielders with the will and the capability to cover box to box throughout the game.

Would I pick him in Hammond's role alongside Flynn and Reed on Saturday, no, I don't trust him defensively.
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So would you go for Collins and push Basham up? Or go with Flo? or Scougall?
 
1danewhitehouse said:
So would you go for Collins and push Basham up? Or go with Flo? or Scougall?
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I'm not Basham's biggest fan in midfield but if he was given Hammond's defensive role I think he could get his head round that and play the position which in 3-5-2 is anchor midfield dropping back to supplement Back 3 at times.

Not seen enough of Cuvelier but don't think he's really a defensive midfielder. Interestingly I don't think Hammond has any true rivals for that position.

Scougall 'No.10' or nothing.

Suggest:

Long

Collins, Edgar, McEveley.

Brayford, Cuvelier, Basham, Reed, Flynn/ Woolford

Sharp and Adams or rather Done ( v his old club).

Considering how crap Hammond is supposed to be we look vulnerable without him there!! It all looks a bit 'thin'.
 



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