Outgoing? Chris Wilder

[tyneblade]

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The road out of the top two is paved with good intentions.

 

[Blade56]

If there are built in conditions in Wilders contract, maybe getting promoted etc, is that what he knew when he left the field at Wembley?. I for one would be disappointed if he's here next year and more so if he's given the cash to splash. Some names that could step in are Mousinho, O'Neil, Dyche, Gerrard, Southgate, Cooper etc

No one that would get pundit renaming us like ‘Steve Gerrard’s Sheffield United’

 

[LBA_Blade]

But the way the club has been run for decades means we never benefitted from any of those players. And how much ££££ did we get for them collectively compared to their final sale value?

Very true, something like £4mill for Jags £4mill for Walker in the “Kyle’s agreement” Maguire was something like £2.5million not sure on the add ons that we got for the sale to Man United. But you would like to think over a period of time if at cat 1 academy and developing players that we can earn more. At the time £4mill was a “decent fee” well for us anyway as was nearly transfer record breaking.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

If there are built in conditions in Wilders contract, maybe getting promoted etc, is that what he knew when he left the field at Wembley?. I for one would be disappointed if he's here next year and more so if he's given the cash to splash. Some names that could step in are Mousinho, O'Neil, Dyche, Gerrard, Southgate, Cooper etc

Mousinho - Yes

O'Neil No. If we're trying to change the club culture then we don't need another mardy arse in post match interview's

Dyche - No thanks. I've seen enough boring turd football to last me a lifetime over the last five seasons

Gerrard - No thanks. To some degrees unproven as he had an easy start at Rangers before he managed Billionaire United. He won't hack the Championship.

Southgate - See Dyche and an extra no ****ing way. You'd be swapping Wilderball for even more boring, conservative, safety first football that'll bore the crowd to sleep.

Cooper - Every day of the week.

 

[Blade56]

Very true, something like £4mill for Jags £4mill for Walker in the “Kyle’s agreement” Maguire was something like £2.5million not sure on the add ons that we got for the sale to Man United. But you would like to think over a period of time if at cat 1 academy and developing players that we can earn more. At the time £4mill was a “decent fee” well for us anyway as was nearly transfer record breaking.

And Walker and Maguire alone went for £130m ish into other clubs pockets

 

[TJ blade]

All depends on what the board are looking at for a new coach. There are loads of "free options" out there, then the question of will they fit in and wages. Do you bring in a football director, as crazy as it sounds Jürgen Klinsmann has done that for Hertha Berlin, USA national side and Toronto in the MLS (reported salary £1.8mill at Toronto), huge profile name with State side recognition, but doing that may limit who you can have as a head coach as you wouldn't want too many butting heads, you may opt for someone younger like former Southampton manager Russell Martin amongst others. I doubt we could convince Gareth Southgate out of retirement to the Lane and not sure how well that would go down if that was the option! But Managerial wise he has only been at 'Boro apart from his England set-up jobs.

Fuck Southgate!

 

[Striker]

If there are built in conditions in Wilders contract, maybe getting promoted etc, is that what he knew when he left the field at Wembley?. I for one would be disappointed if he's here next year and more so if he's given the cash to splash. Some names that could step in are Mousinho, O'Neil, Dyche, Gerrard, Southgate, Cooper etc

O'Neil, Gerrard, and Southgate you are taking the piss aren't you?

 

[TJ blade]

Why shouldn't he? He's got a 3 year contract. If the club gives him that contract and then sacks him 6 months later, he'll presumably get paid and rightly so.

There will be a clause in his contract

 

[LBA_Blade]

Fuck Southgate!

I had a tin hat that I found in the loft, I agree however i do like the football director idea however probably not with Southgate but a high profile man, could bring a status of intent to the club.

 

[LBA_Blade]

And Walker and Maguire alone went for £130m ish into other clubs pockets

Yeah that is true, I remember Maguire’s add ons helped when we were in League 1 but that isn’t saying too much as the squad value was probably about £5mill back then. There are a few clubs that can be unpicked. Brentford, Fulham and West Ham could easily see themselves struggling if they lose a few players. Fulham in particularly although have been a steady around 10 ish in the league since they last went up, have spent a lot on infra and players and don’t seem to bring many through of their own and with a low core fan base they could be at risk. That said they had a decent season in some ways this season but drew to Ipswich twice!

 

[UTB Blade]

Absolutely spot on mate … they ignore the fact that all of our recent history of being in or close to the Premier League is entirely down to Chris and his team. There are some very short memories that forget the absolute mess the club became in League 1. Before his arrival, it was more likely we get relegated than promoted. We all know things should have been different after our 9th place finish. At that point most other clubs would have enabled Chris to properly compete on wages… it never happened and he was rightly as frustrated as we were to see the opportunity thrown away.
As for his stints at Middlesborough and Watford …. Of course they’ve both really thrived since he left…. Ah no … pretty much where he left them.
As you say there’s a sense of entitlement amongst many that completely ignores financial reality and the relative size of the club. They also ignore every positive this season (Souttar, Burrows, Cooper, Campbell, Peck, Seriki, O Hare etc. etc.. ) and instead highlight the negatives…. Players not fulfilling potential or not hitting the ground running obviously never happens at other clubs.
We were literally one dodgy VAR decision away from the PL this season and so called fans want to sack the manager….. entitled is one word but i can think of many better ones.

They don't care, mate. They're too hellbent on appointing some 15 year old with his face welded to an iPad, to bother giving a rat's ass about whether it'll result in us ending up in League One, getting our arses handed to us by Crawley and Yeovil, again. As long as the new manager pronounces it 'happy' instead of 'appeh' , they're perfectly content for us to go flying headlong into non-league. I've never come across a bunch of football fans so in love with the idea of replacing someone proven, with someone who's won fuck all and probably never will. It's bizarre. It's like that last play off final loss has tipped half the fan base over the edge, into losing their minds.

 

[Davalon]

They don't care, mate. They're too hellbent on appointing some 15 year old with his face welded to an iPad, to bother giving a rat's ass about whether it'll result in us ending up in League One, getting our arses handed to us by Crawley and Yeovil, again. As long as the new manager pronounces it 'happy' instead of 'appeh' , they're perfectly content for us to go flying headlong into non-league. I've never come across a bunch of football fans so in love with the idea of replacing someone proven, with someone who's won fuck all and probably never will. It's bizarre. It's like that last play off final loss has tipped half the fan base over the edge, into losing their minds.

 

[iBlade.]

If Wilder does end up going has it crossed anyone's mind that we might become the first club to employ an AI sourced manager

 

[Blade56]

 

[UTB Blade]

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Thanks for that - it cheered me up, genuinely, it made me laugh.

In all seriousness, though, can you explain to me why people are so hellbent on risking replacing a proven manager, who's done so well for us, with someone who will likely take us backwards, just for the sake of it? I've asked several times before, and, so far, no-one's been able to give a proper answer?

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

Blades Ramble worth a listen at 8 I'd say as he is talking about that amongst other rumors on his channel. I'm not a Rambler I may add but I like his content.

Is that time set in stone now he's become a Taxi driver?

 

[Kev Gee]

Unfortunately you shouldn't reward failure. And no matter how you look at it. We and Wilder failed.
Big mistake giving him a new contract.

Who knows what's been discussed behind the scenes and the board have decided that it's not possible to keep working with CW and the new transfers and scouting model.

I'd this.is true I wish him well. He's come in when we were a shambles and steadied the ship. Then very nearly got is over the line. Bit the last 5 games and how we played may have made the board think again on how we move forward.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Fuck Southgate!

Be like having Sgt Wilson running the borstal in Scum.

 

[Jan Age]

The new owners have not come into fuck about … they are investors and will expect a return on their investment.

If they decide wilder or anyone else for that matter is not the man then he will be gone and a new man will be brought in… end of.

Although I would get rid I think they will be 50/50…

Wilder will have some convincing to do.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Thanks for that - it cheered me up, genuinely, it made me laugh.

In all seriousness, though, can you explain to me why people are so hellbent on risking replacing a proven manager, who's done so well for us, with someone who will likely take us backwards, just for the sake of it? I've asked several times before, and, so far, no-one's been able to give a proper answer?

Loads of answers have been given by a lot of people, all over the forum. Maybe you haven’t read them.

 

[54yrblade]

Maybe the owners are looking for a leader and not the often said 'culture carriers', that doesn't include pubs, booze, table dancing and disrespecting other people whilst naive enough to do it in front of love struck citizen journalists who are stupid enough to stick it on social media for clicks and attention.
Look at 'my manager' and what he can get away with. I want to be him ..... 'one of our own' could really come back to bite us.


The finance gap between the PL and championship is now clearly so big that the yo yo effect is in full swing. He failed to keep us in the top two when it was ours for the taking and failed in the final and other games in the latter part of the season by reverting to what now appears a defensive mindset quite unlike Wilder 1.0

American business people tend to be more interested in image and customer focus and can be utterly ruthless.

Everyone in the club should have been aware of that when COH came in, at every level of the club. If not, they should have done some homework.

'They can't sack him, they daren't sack him'

Assume nothing.

 

[TJ blade]

Thanks for that - it cheered me up, genuinely, it made me laugh.

In all seriousness, though, can you explain to me why people are so hellbent on risking replacing a proven manager, who's done so well for us, with someone who will likely take us backwards, just for the sake of it? I've asked several times before, and, so far, no-one's been able to give a proper answer?

Who is this someone?

 

[Upton_Blade]

Thanks for that - it cheered me up, genuinely, it made me laugh.

In all seriousness, though, can you explain to me why people are so hellbent on risking replacing a proven manager, who's done so well for us, with someone who will likely take us backwards, just for the sake of it? I've asked several times before, and, so far, no-one's been able to give a proper answer?

I'm not sure I've seen much of "hellbent" on replacing. Just more questioning if he's the right man to take us forward.

You say "replacing a proven manager". If we still had the 2016-2020 version of Wilder then I'd be arguing with every single person on here saying he should go. The truth, unfortunate as it is, is that this version of Wilder is so far removed from that version that I honestly don't see a way forward.

I get that it's a results business and taken on that view then this season has mainly been a success due to the points accumulated but I honestly question anyone who has been happy with the way we've played for the most part and enjoyed the games. We've scraped past teams we should be absolutely pasting with the players we have and played some of the most negative, dire style of football I've seen at The Lane.

He was also given an absolute fortune in January in relative terms and somehow managed to make us almost worse.

I won't be the only one with this view. I'd hazard a guess the owners are thinking this way as well hence why he looks like a goner.

I honestly don't want anyone else managing my club. His 1st spell gave me some of the best moments I've experienced as a Blade (1st game in 1983) and if he could somehow get back to the 16-20 version of Wilder then I'd be delighted if he stayed however I honestly think his ego means he probably doesn't take much blame for this season and won't see a reason to change much if he stays in charge.

Based on that, for me, it's a massive thank you for all he's done but I'd like to see a change in direction.

 

[The Fox]

The worry i had about winning the play off was that the owners would be obliged to keep wilder , or at least until Xmas or so when we'd be staring at relegation.
Whilst I appreciate the 92 points, and once got us to 9th arguments they are as tiresome as the 3000 to qpr from the other lot .
The owners have ambition , for that we should he grateful.
Perhaps a change may not work , we can't say sticking with cw will either, past results are no guarantee of future results .
If they decide on a change it'll be not just wilder but the whole 1st team coaching staff, a new setup perhaps with a dof .
If it happens we should ge grateful wilder gave us some good times and respect him for that.
However I'll be glad to see the end of the Chris's mates culture and the antics ,the rants at supporters and players alike .
He's responsible for alot of good times and success but needs to take responsibility for the less good stuff .

 

[thehet]

Yes Brighton and Brentfords transfer policy for the last decade at least. Savvy owners who are data driven and the manager gets little choice. Worked for them hasn't it?

Not saying its the best way forward but the owners were very clear in their statement how player acquisition is going to happen going forward.

Data driven and AI driven are two different things.

 

[HeySethUTB]

Wilder re-built this summer, and at that stage most of us would have accepted a playoff place, some even predicting Luton’s fate. Has he made mistakes from a fan viewpoint, yes, are we qualified to judge him, not really. Did we break a championship points record, yes.

As much as I’ve said he’s played negative football at times, he’s also been incredibly consistent when gaining points even if it’s been shit to watch. I don’t want wilder if he’s going to play that style again, but I’ll accept him if he realises to play attacking front foot football like he’s done with us before.

 

[UTB Blade]

... I've asked several times before, and, so far, no-one's been able to give a proper answer?

Loads of answers have been given by a lot of people, all over the forum. Maybe you haven’t read them.

Maybe I don't consider the loads of answers given by a lot of people all over the forum, 'proper'.

 

[thehet]

I had a tin hat that I found in the loft, I agree however i do like the football director idea however probably not with Southgate but a high profile man, could bring a status of intent to the club.

To do what exactly?

 

[UTB Blade]

Who is this someone?

I meant someone in the sense of an unspecified someone. That's a lot of my concern - that people just keep saying things like 'someone modern', 'up and coming', 'someone with fresh ideas' without making any realistic suggestions of a manager who's likely to be better than the one we've got - which is precisely what makes me so concerned that we'll end up with someone considerably worse than the one we've got.

My worry is that people are so wedded to the idea of 'modern, up and coming, fresh way of thinking' etc, that they're overlooking the very real probability that this wonderful new manager they're longing for, doesn't exist. It's fantasy, and we'll just end up with someone worse than CW, chasing a pipe dream

 

[Danetheblade]

I meant someone in the sense of an unspecified someone. That's a lot of my concern - that people just keep saying things like 'someone modern', 'up and coming', 'someone with fresh ideas' without making any realistic suggestions of a manager who's likely to be better than the one we've got - which is precisely what makes me so concerned that we'll end up with someone considerably worse than the one we've got.

My worry is that people are so wedded to the idea of 'modern, up and coming, fresh way of thinking' etc, that they're overlooking the very real probability that this wonderful new manager they're longing for, doesn't exist. It's fantasy, and we'll just end up with someone worse than CW, chasing a pipe dream

Given you plenty of names. I think the issue lies in it not being the name "Chris Wilder"