Chris Wilder and rebuilding Sheffield United

[vas borbokis]

Folk trying to undermine Wilder with toxic comments don't deserve to have witnessed his previous success where we fans had our best 3 to 4 years of footy in many a year. The Lane was rocking!
He may not be able to rekindle that but give him a fucking chance eh?
The hand he's been dealt, and is now playing is extremely tough, and I'd have little confidence in any other manager we could actually afford being able to successfully undertake such an extensive squad rebuild with the funding available.
If it doesn't work out, it won't be for the want of trying. He wants success for SUFC like we all do and will run his blood to water trying to achieve it.
Get behind him or stfu!
UTB&FTO!

 

[Carlton Blade]

Folk trying to undermine Wilder with toxic comments don't deserve to have witnessed his previous success where we fans had our best 3 to 4 years of footy in many a year. The Lane was rocking!
He may not be able to rekindle that but give him a fucking chance eh?
The hand he's been dealt, and is now playing is extremely tough, and I'd have little confidence in any other manager we could actually afford being able to successfully undertake such an extensive squad rebuild with the funding available.
If it doesn't work out, it won't be for the want of trying. He wants success for SUFC like we all do and will run his blood to water trying to achieve it.
Get behind him or stfu!
UTB&FTO!

Pay your entrance fee, say whatever you like. There's no 'deserve' to supporting a football team

 

[Mario1889]

Folk trying to undermine Wilder with toxic comments don't deserve to have witnessed his previous success where we fans had our best 3 to 4 years of footy in many a year. The Lane was rocking!
He may not be able to rekindle that but give him a fucking chance eh?
The hand he's been dealt, and is now playing is extremely tough, and I'd have little confidence in any other manager we could actually afford being able to successfully undertake such an extensive squad rebuild with the funding available.
If it doesn't work out, it won't be for the want of trying. He wants success for SUFC like we all do and will run his blood to water trying to achieve it.
Get behind him or stfu!
UTB&FTO!

Fans are entitled to their opinions, especially after the absolute disaster that this season has turned into and Chris Wilder has played a big role in that.

Is he above criticism because of something he did a few years ago?

Most fans like to live in the here and now, I think you’d be happier sat at home watching DVD’s and YouTube videos from a few years ago.

 

[vas borbokis]

Pay your entrance fee, say whatever you like. There's no 'deserve' to supporting a football team

I couldn't disagree more.

 

[vas borbokis]

Fans are entitled to their opinions, especially after the absolute disaster that this season has turned into and Chris Wilder has played a big role in that.

Is he above criticism because of something he did a few years ago?

Most fans like to live in the here and now, I think you’d be happier sat at home watching DVD’s and YouTube videos from a few years ago.

Go on then. Who do you want in? Wilders worked with a fucked up squad since he came back. He's had no real chance to change anything yet!

 

[Carlton Blade]

I couldn't disagree more.

I can understand someone thinking that, but nobody is made to go to the football. It's a choice. There's no rules around how to support a team and how much joy someone can derive from it, dependant on how dedicated they are.

But mainly, there's zero reason anyone should be grateful for anything

 

[The Crab]

Folk trying to undermine Wilder with toxic comments don't deserve to have witnessed his previous success where we fans had our best 3 to 4 years of footy in many a year. The Lane was rocking!
He may not be able to rekindle that but give him a fucking chance eh?
The hand he's been dealt, and is now playing is extremely tough, and I'd have little confidence in any other manager we could actually afford being able to successfully undertake such an extensive squad rebuild with the funding available.
If it doesn't work out, it won't be for the want of trying. He wants success for SUFC like we all do and will run his blood to water trying to achieve it.
Get behind him or stfu!
UTB&FTO!

Well I’m not going to STFU. I have as much right to an opinion as anyone else.

Maybe he’ll prove us all wrong, I sincerely hope so and I’ll be delighted to be proven wrong.

 

[Tezza1889]

Fans are entitled to their opinions, especially after the absolute disaster that this season has turned into and Chris Wilder has played a big role in that.

Is he above criticism because of something he did a few years ago?

Anybody thinking that another manager would have got a better result with the team clearly isn't paying attention to the division we played in and how it's successfull teams spend to survive..

We as a fanbase have said, we don't have the money to compete. It wasn't a joke or a bit of reverse psychology it was what we thought, i said keep hecky regardless at the start of this season, but the result would still be relegation had we done that.

Like it or not the premier league has moved on from a millionaires playground to a billionaires playground, that's the reality so just let it sink in a moment.

The team is worse than when it came up, our skint owner had to sell 2 key players at the start because he couldn't take the losses, so how do the rest of them feel at that point? Motivated ?.....

It fucking floored them all didn't it..

Couple that with shocking recruitment which I personally think comes from above, we were set up to fail, you could have Klopp or Mourinho we'd still be relegated with that team and this skint owner, we sent out a team with no players that anybody wanted to watch, because none of them are premier league quality, many are league 1 standard, some have stood out in a poor team, but they're all playing in the premier league somehow.

Some of the hammerings we got were embarrassing enough but the players giving up was disgusting, the giving up was a hallmark of the level they should be playing at, however, they knew they couldn't compete, it was too far above thier levels of ability, and if they have a go, they knew it'd be 18 minutes added on till the team with better players to come off the bench and score the winner, or they'd see a red card, remember what wilder said that referee told him about not getting decisions? We didn't get any did we..

I think that was because we destroyed any chance of being attractive to the TV audiences by selling our better players instead of building on them and improving the team, so do you think sky was over the moon with us? Because we're bringing 4 cans of Skol to the party aren't we and we're wearing a sweaty shirt and stinking the place out.. think on.

We haven't helped ourselves regarding the team, we've brought nothing to the party, the media en masse have ridiculed us the whole season start to finish, funny how they're all on the same page eh.. it's as if they all think the same thing, get us gone....

To get success in the prem you need a billionaire owner, top players, a top manager etc..plucky have a go teams have no chance anymore by design (see spurs away).

So with PA we are OK with wilder, they'll both be adequate where we're heading..

 

[loyalblade95]

Wilder had lost it long before he left last time and he's been a shit manager ever since. Why - because he has developed a narcissus complex. Any question that he is asked, he answers it as though it is about him. Any time anybody challenges his decisions he deliberately repeats them - as he needs to show (mainly to himself) that he was right all along. Bringing Norwood on to protect a good position once was ridiculous, twice was criminal and three times in a row was time to call for the nurse! He never analyses, he just makes excuses - "this is a powerful league..."

Listen to a Rob Edwards interview and it's like chalk and cheese.

Tbh, personally think that this whole thing about him becoming a shit manager based on his career post United is a little harsh.

His Middlesbrough team just missed out on the playoffs before losing Tavernier who had shown that he deserved a chance at top flight football.

As for his Watford spell, Watford for the last 10+ years has turned into a managers nightmare with most managers barely lasting a season under that ownership, wasn't he the third manager they appointed that season as well which for me screams of bad ownership.

 

[loyalblade95]

To get success in the prem you need a billionaire owner, top players, a top manager etc..plucky have a go teams have no chance anymore by design (see spurs away).

Problem is with the last few seasons in the premier league, it's becoming apparent that for a team who have money and want to compete at the very top they need to be consistently getting into Europe season after season to keep getting that revenue from Europe.

Look at Newcastle, wealthy owners who want to reach the top and are willing to splash the cash, just had their first season in Europe for a long time and yet they seem to have been hampered by not being able to spend as much as the top teams due to the current financial rules. Similar situation applies to Villa, top of the league at Christmas but couldn't strengthen their squad.

Even Chelsea look like they are suffering with the lack of revenue they usually get from Europe.

 

[Bladezz]

As a fan base we will set the mood for the first 5-10 games.

I appreciate when your a fan your entitled to a moan. But some of the moaning is just ridiculous. Wilder has improved us but some fans somehow say he hasn’t. They either haven’t been to a game or it’s just something to throw out as a dig.

We need everyone to have a Fresh start for next season. New players / staff / old players.

Let’s judge Wilder on next season. I’ve never seen a manager be judged on what happened 3 years ago. But isn’t judged on what happened 6/5/4 years ago?

Everyone knows this message board isn’t anywhere near representative of what’s the majority of fans that go to the games. But it would be nice for everyone to start on a clean slate.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder has improved us but some fans somehow say he hasn’t.

Would we have finished on less points with Hecky in charge?

Wilder gave us a ‘bounce’ for a game and then he’s pretty much done what Hecky was doing but with the benefit of BBD to actually be a half decent player up front. He signed Grbic and Holgate though as well so we’ve conceded shitloads.

We’ve had some absolute spankings, embarrassingly so.

Half the players don’t want to be here and for all his badge thumping he’s not ‘got the fans back onside’ apart from the gullible Bladey Blades.

I get that he’s here and we have to back him, but it’s far from ideal.

 

[Bell4]

Folk trying to undermine Wilder with toxic comments don't deserve to have witnessed his previous success where we fans had our best 3 to 4 years of footy in many a year. The Lane was rocking!
He may not be able to rekindle that but give him a fucking chance eh?
The hand he's been dealt, and is now playing is extremely tough, and I'd have little confidence in any other manager we could actually afford being able to successfully undertake such an extensive squad rebuild with the funding available.
If it doesn't work out, it won't be for the want of trying. He wants success for SUFC like we all do and will run his blood to water trying to achieve it.
Get behind him or stfu!
UTB&FTO!

fully agree

 

[Bell4]

Anybody thinking that another manager would have got a better result with the team clearly isn't paying attention to the division we played in and how it's successfull teams spend to survive..

We as a fanbase have said, we don't have the money to compete. It wasn't a joke or a bit of reverse psychology it was what we thought, i said keep hecky regardless at the start of this season, but the result would still be relegation had we done that.

Like it or not the premier league has moved on from a millionaires playground to a billionaires playground, that's the reality so just let it sink in a moment.

The team is worse than when it came up, our skint owner had to sell 2 key players at the start because he couldn't take the losses, so how do the rest of them feel at that point? Motivated ?.....

It fucking floored them all didn't it..

Couple that with shocking recruitment which I personally think comes from above, we were set up to fail, you could have Klopp or Mourinho we'd still be relegated with that team and this skint owner, we sent out a team with no players that anybody wanted to watch, because none of them are premier league quality, many are league 1 standard, some have stood out in a poor team, but they're all playing in the premier league somehow.great great post imo apart from

Some of the hammerings we got were embarrassing enough but the players giving up was disgusting, the giving up was a hallmark of the level they should be playing at, however, they knew they couldn't compete, it was too far above thier levels of ability, and if they have a go, they knew it'd be 18 minutes added on till the team with better players to come off the bench and score the winner, or they'd see a red card, remember what wilder said that referee told him about not getting decisions? We didn't get any did we..

I think that was because we destroyed any chance of being attractive to the TV audiences by selling our better players instead of building on them and improving the team, so do you think sky was over the moon with us? Because we're bringing 4 cans of Skol to the party aren't we and we're wearing a sweaty shirt and stinking the place out.. think on.

We haven't helped ourselves regarding the team, we've brought nothing to the party, the media en masse have ridiculed us the whole season start to finish, funny how they're all on the same page eh.. it's as if they all think the same thing, get us gone....

To get success in the prem you need a billionaire owner, top players, a top manager etc..plucky have a go teams have no chance anymore by design (see spurs away).

So with PA we are OK with wilder, they'll both be adequate where we're heading..

great great post imo apart from first 5 words of last line

 

[Tezza1889]

great great post imo apart from first 5 words of last line

Was tough to finish off as I set off just to defend the manager (any manager tbh) then got into my personal thoughts, but it's as realistic to think league 1 as it is to think we'll be going back up..the rebuild Is a huge task... PA has league one money to lower end Championship money hence the comment, wilder is well equipped also at those levels..

Either way we'll have our answers on Wilders capabilty before Xmas won't we, cause he isn't going anywhere..

Note: wouldn't want anybody else in charge for the pig games would we?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Would we have finished on less points with Hecky in charge?

Wilder gave us a ‘bounce’ for a game and then he’s pretty much done what Hecky was doing but with the benefit of BBD to actually be a half decent player up front. He signed Grbic and Holgate though as well so we’ve conceded shitloads.

We’ve had some absolute spankings, embarrassingly so.

Half the players don’t want to be here and for all his badge thumping he’s not ‘got the fans back onside’ apart from the gullible Bladey Blades.

I get that he’s here and we have to back him, but it’s far from ideal.

Exactly this. He had long enough with the players to get them in to some sort of physical condition, but we never really looked any better and fell off a cliff late in games.

Some of the spankings at home (Villa esp) are down to his selections/setup so all the fan boys who are stuck in a 2019 time warp are sticking their fingers in their ears by saying he couldn't do anything.

The notion that Klopp/Mourinho couldnt do any better is ridiculous and shows real hard of thinking from the Wilder Cult.

 

[Bladezz]

Would we have finished on less points with Hecky in charge?

Wilder gave us a ‘bounce’ for a game and then he’s pretty much done what Hecky was doing but with the benefit of BBD to actually be a half decent player up front. He signed Grbic and Holgate though as well so we’ve conceded shitloads.

We’ve had some absolute spankings, embarrassingly so.

Half the players don’t want to be here and for all his badge thumping he’s not ‘got the fans back onside’ apart from the gullible Bladey Blades.

I get that he’s here and we have to back him, but it’s far from ideal.

Half the players don’t want to be here due to his badge thumping. I read that and thought it’s pointless even discussing this with yourself.

 

[Bladezz]

Exactly this. He had long enough with the players to get them in to some sort of physical condition, but we never really looked any better and fell off a cliff late in games.

Some of the spankings at home (Villa esp) are down to his selections/setup so all the fan boys who are stuck in a 2019 time warp are sticking their fingers in their ears by saying he couldn't do anything.

The notion that Klopp/Mourinho couldnt do any better is ridiculous and shows real hard of thinking from the Wilder Cult.

It seems more the opposite. It’s a cult few that hate Wilder no matter what. That won’t analyse anything without a huge judgment already in place.

I am one of Wilder’s Cult as you would be referring too. Performances have improved, the stats show this. But recovering from the mess that Hecky was dealt with is something that will take 1-2 windows. Minimum.

I ask why you only mention 2019? Not 2018? Or would that go against your bias?

 

[Woodhouseblades]

Deludamol or otherwise, I’m backing my judgement.

You wallow in the misery of season 23/24 if you must !!!

UTB

Ps - You’re

Don’t worry Wilder wants more Jack Robinsons

 

[finlaytheblade]

Agreed…..The Prince is the fundamental problem. His survival since 2019 was wholly because we have had circa £350 million of Premier League money. We are scrambling around for cash now because he is back trying to balance the books because he has little money to actually invest himself. Let’s not forget he made us default on £8.5 million of missed payments to other clubs for transfers last season over an 18 month period = a 2 point deduction next season.

I think someone once said we have managed to find the only Saudi Prince without an oil well at the bottom of his garden!

He needs to swallow his pride & either sell at a realistic price or find an investor to work with us asap. Otherwise it will be a fire sale & loans and frees this summer.

It won't be a fire sale and we will be competitive next season in my opinion.
I agree he needs to sell the club he says the same (prince) ,he's also gone on record saying ! Selling to the right People is important ! out of the frying pan into the fire is is one way of putting it.
Hopefully he will find the right person or group to give us the backing we need , either an investor or new owners.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Half the players don’t want to be here due to his badge thumping. I read that and thought it’s pointless even discussing this with yourself.

Try reading it again, that’s not what I said.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Performances have improved, the stats show this

They really haven’t.

We score a few more but concede a lot more. Hecky had the 8 nil and the Burnley loss, Wilder has had multiple thrashings. Most of these games the players appear to have downed tools.

Selling to the right People is important !

If you believe this you’ll believe owt, he’ll sell to anyone, look at Mauriss and Dozy for examples.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Let`s hope we get a good start next season and have one point after the first game.

 

[Snowflake]

Fans are entitled to their opinions, especially after the absolute disaster that this season has turned into and Chris Wilder has played a big role in that.

Is he above criticism because of something he did a few years ago?

Most fans like to live in the here and now, I think you’d be happier sat at home watching DVD’s and YouTube videos from a few years ago.

He should be above the criticism that he cannot build a squad. He did last time and we should at least give him three windows to do it again. Criticism of the last five months is probably acceptable.
Obviously big steps need to be taken in the next three months, but with two teams coming down with us , three left from the p/offs and a couple who improve on this season, finishing in the top 8 will not be easy.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Down the years , it has been shown time after time that the replacing of almost an entire squad of players who have had relative levels of success is one of the most difficult tasks for any football club and it is one which our club is now faced with .

History shows that this can be a long and slow process and one which can go badly wrong .

Even those who have tried to achieve this by throwing tons of money at it have often failed badly , going back as far as Sunderland in the late 1950’s right through to modern day Chelsea for whom spending around £600 million has clearly not been the answer to re-establishing themselves as the formidable force they were not so long ago.

With this in mind and given our track record on recruitments in recent times , I can’t remember ever going into a new season feeling so pessimistic about our prospects of having any kind of success .

I sincerely hope I am wrong , but as things stand at the moment I would count finishing mid table and anywhere above the Grunters as being a great achievement but I am by no means confident about either outcome.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Down the years , it has been shown time after time that the replacing of almost an entire squad of players who have had relative levels of success is one of the most difficult tasks for any football club and it is one which our club is now faced with .

History shows that this can be a long and slow process and one which can go badly wrong .

Even those who have tried to achieve this by throwing tons of money at it have often failed badly , going back as far as Sunderland in the late 1950’s right through to modern day Chelsea for whom spending around £600 million has clearly not been the answer to re-establishing themselves as the formidable force they were not so long ago.

With this in mind and given our track record on recruitments in recent times , I can’t remember ever going into a new season feeling so pessimistic about our prospects of having any kind of success .

I sincerely hope I am wrong , but as things stand at the moment I would count finishing mid table and anywhere above the Grunters as being a great achievement but I am by no means confident about either outcome.

Words of wisdom but it's a process we have to go through. We just have to hope that a combo of a new recruitment team, someone who has a whisper of a inkling about keeping players fit, some bargain finds in the loan & transfer market and our young uns coming good help us to at least hit the ground walking.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Trying to be positive: with Bogle, Egan, Robinson in defence, Hamer and Arblaster in midfield, and McBurnie and Brewster upfront - that's a very strong core for the Championship....

It's so much a rebuild as initially thought ...

Fingers, toes crossed!

 

[Bell4]

Down the years , it has been shown time after time that the replacing of almost an entire squad of players who have had relative levels of success is one of the most difficult tasks for any football club and it is one which our club is now faced with .

History shows that this can be a long and slow process and one which can go badly wrong .

Even those who have tried to achieve this by throwing tons of money at it have often failed badly , going back as far as Sunderland in the late 1950’s right through to modern day Chelsea for whom spending around £600 million has clearly not been the answer to re-establishing themselves as the formidable force they were not so long ago.

With this in mind and given our track record on recruitments in recent times , I can’t remember ever going into a new season feeling so pessimistic about our prospects of having any kind of success .

I sincerely hope I am wrong , but as things stand at the moment I would count finishing mid table and anywhere above the Grunters as being a great achievement but I am by no means confident about either outcome.

 

[Charlieblade]

Down the years , it has been shown time after time that the replacing of almost an entire squad of players who have had relative levels of success is one of the most difficult tasks for any football club and it is one which our club is now faced with .

History shows that this can be a long and slow process and one which can go badly wrong .

Even those who have tried to achieve this by throwing tons of money at it have often failed badly , going back as far as Sunderland in the late 1950’s right through to modern day Chelsea for whom spending around £600 million has clearly not been the answer to re-establishing themselves as the formidable force they were not so long ago.

With this in mind and given our track record on recruitments in recent times , I can’t remember ever going into a new season feeling so pessimistic about our prospects of having any kind of success .

I sincerely hope I am wrong , but as things stand at the moment I would count finishing mid table and anywhere above the Grunters as being a great achievement but I am by no means confident about either outcome.

Outstanding post from a dedicated supporter, and it’s all true.

Add the comments by Carl Asaba in his recent on camera review of the clubs future and status. Asaba let the cat out of the bag, when he said that the current squad was only built and designed to survive financially as a business!

The players were probably unaware of this remit, and supporters certainly were not. Looking back on the season we have just endured, it’s the only thing that makes any sense.
Put the club on secure financial basis, rebuild in the championship, and take it from there.

As Isaw Joeshaw has ponted out, nothing is certain with this approach, but the building blocks are there. Training ground, academy and hotel are all allocated funding, so Wilder, or whoever takes it on, have a long hard road to turn the club around.

If fans expect instant success, they will be disappointed. It will take at least 3 years to change the club fortunes, and there is no guarantee of success at the end of it. The supporters faith will be tested, that’s for sure.

Anyone expecting a state of the art ground improvement scheme with modern facilities, needs to accept that this will probably be the last thing to be achieved.

Supporters deserve better, but this is what happens when the club is run as a business, and everything has to be paid for in advance. You can have one season of buying top players, with all the risks involved in that, or a long term, sustainable future for your club. You cannot have both, even with a new, wealthy owner.

It’s not the first time of asking, and it won’t be the last. It took several seasons to get down to the old 4th division, and several more to get back to the first. That was some achievement, but football has changed since then. Get used to it and be patient.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Outstanding post from a dedicated supporter, and it’s all true.

Add the comments by Carl Asaba in his recent on camera review of the clubs future and status. Asaba let the cat out of the bag, when he said that the current squad was only built and designed to survive financially as a business!

The players were probably unaware of this remit, and supporters certainly were not. Looking back on the season we have just endured, it’s the only thing that makes any sense.
Put the club on secure financial basis, rebuild in the championship, and take it from there.

As Isaw Joeshaw has ponted out, nothing is certain with this approach, but the building blocks are there. Training ground, academy and hotel are all allocated funding, so Wilder, or whoever takes it on, have a long hard road to turn the club around.

If fans expect instant success, they will be disappointed. It will take at least 3 years to change the club fortunes, and there is no guarantee of success at the end of it. The supporters faith will be tested, that’s for sure.

Anyone expecting a state of the art ground improvement scheme with modern facilities, needs to accept that this will probably be the last thing to be achieved.

Supporters deserve better, but this is what happens when the club is run as a business, and everything has to be paid for in advance. You can have one season of buying top players, with all the risks involved in that, or a long term, sustainable future for your club. You cannot have both, even with a new, wealthy owner.

It’s not the first time of asking, and it won’t be the last. It took several seasons to get down to the old 4th division, and several more to get back to the first. That was some achievement, but football has changed since then. Get used to it and be patient.