Chedwyn

[Casper]

He's a frustrating bugger isnt he....................................

There are times when he produces a flash or two of sheer class, but for the other 88 minutes ( well actually 70 cos Blackwell has seen enough by that stage) he just wanders around like little boy lost. He doesnt take up the positions a striker should do, or have anything like the anticipation needed to make himself a yard or two and give himself a chance.

Even that lay off to Harper in the second half - that was class btw - but should a striker be even thinking about laying the ball off in that situation? A confident striker would have twisted and smashed that volley goal bound - he was only about 8 yards out.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Keith Edwards was making the point a couple of weeks ago that he doesn't get in the 'right positions'. Maybe we should get Keith to come in a day a week to work with Ched..? It might help, and at least it would shut Edwards up for a bit...

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Personally I thought that a striker that is struggling for a goal might try and take a difficult chance like that where I would be surprised if he would have scored. Instead he unselfishly laid it off to Harper who had a better chance. The goals will come for him.

 

[Macfarlane21]

The lay off to cresswell in first half was also good. £3 mill price tag is to big an expectation for a 20 year old. Especially when we don't have much to spend on players. I think he needs to be treated as a youth player and not like proven goalscorer, but to do that is very hard.

 

[shorehamview]

£3 mill price tag is to big an expectation for a 20 year old.

Ah, but he's not a £3 million pound player.

"Oh yes he is!"
"Oh no he isn't!"
"Oh yes he is, McCabe said so. Or was it Blackwell? Or the Wicked Witch, Sethetta?"
"It was the Fairy Godmother Giddings, I'm sure of it Cinders."
"He's behind you!"
"Oh no he isn't."
"Oh yes he is!"
"Look, a pantomime cow!"
"That's Lee Strafford's dinner, that is."
"Strafford's not going to eat Clarabelle, is he?"
"Oh yes he is. With ketchup."
"Does he know it's two shit actors in a cow suit?"
"Yes."
"Oh yes he does!"
"Is he really that greedy or stupid?"
"What do you think, children? Clap your hands three times and shout 'I believe he's a fact hunt!' Altogether now...."
"Piss off, you big fairy!"
"That's no way to speak to Seth Bennett."
"Oh yes it is!"

 

[lenners]

I think the accounts say we've spent just over £3m on players in the 09/10 season, the bulk of which will have been on Chedwyn.
He played slightly better yesterday and you did actually notice he was on the pitch.
But his anticipation and movement is generally woeful and you get the definite impression there's not much going on up top.

 

[alcoblade]

The lay off to cresswell in first half was also good. £3 mill price tag is to big an expectation for a 20 year old. Especially when we don't have much to spend on players. I think he needs to be treated as a youth player and not like proven goalscorer, but to do that is very hard.

If only the only slightly older Cotterill was given a tenth of the benefit of the doubt that's been offered to Ched.

Both young with big price tags and potential. One given almost an guaranteed position, on dropped every other week. Cotterill's doubters might well be right (and there doesn't seem to be many who jumped to his defence in the latter stages), but the difference in treatment of the two is very noticeable. And it's Ched who's taking up the key role, and not fulfilling it in any way.

UTB

 

[Trigger Blade]

I think the accounts say we've spent just over £3m on players in the 09/10 season, the bulk of which will have been on Chedwyn.
He played slightly better yesterday and you did actually notice he was on the pitch.
But his anticipation and movement is generally woeful and you get the definite impression there's not much going on up top.

I agree with you len, though I don't think he's quite as bad as you do (I realise you need your controversial scapegoat!)

He doesn't anticipate at all well and is often caught flat-footed and loses that vital spilt second. His first touch is often poor too, a couple of times yesterday, his control led to the ball bouncing and as his heading isn't that clever, he lost the ball.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Keith Edwards was making the point a couple of weeks ago that he doesn't get in the 'right positions'. Maybe we should get Keith to come in a day a week to work with Ched..? It might help, and at least it would shut Edwards up for a bit...

I listened to Blades Player while watching a stream, and Edvards said he didn't blame our forwards for our lack of good attacking moves, he said it was the midfield who didn't give them enough service. If the main aim was to make Evans score goals, how should we compose the team?

 

[TopBoy]

He's a frustrating bugger isnt he....................................

There are times when he produces a flash or two of sheer class, but for the other 88 minutes ( well actually 70 cos Blackwell has seen enough by that stage) he just wanders around like little boy lost. He doesnt take up the positions a striker should do, or have anything like the anticipation needed to make himself a yard or two and give himself a chance.

Even that lay off to Harper in the second half - that was class btw - but should a striker be even thinking about laying the ball off in that situation? A confident striker would have twisted and smashed that volley goal bound - he was only about 8 yards out.

I can actually see Ched developing into a Sheringham type player as he's got a great football brain and is easy on the eye. Ched is one of the few players that can do something with a ball that I can't, he's a bit special actually so I'm more than happy for him to remain in the starting eleven.
We have to remember he's only 21 and is in his first real season. How many other 21 year old strikers hold down a place in a side in the top 2 divisions?

It's not all about goals it's about partnerships when it comes to strikers.

Have faith, the boy is class.

TB.

 

[alcoblade]

I can actually see Ched developing into a Sheringham type player as he's got a great football brain and is easy on the eye. Ched is one of the few players that can do something with a ball that I can't, he's a bit special actually so I'm more than happy for him to remain in the starting eleven.
We have to remember he's only 21 and is in his first real season. How many other 21 year old strikers hold down a place in a side in the top 2 divisions?

It's not all about goals it's about partnerships when it comes to strikers.

Have faith, the boy is class.

TB.

So we have a class striker who can't score goals? You've got me there....

He's not particularly fast, skillful, or strong and hasn't got great positional sense. Other than that, the skies the limit.

I'm still hopeful of being wrong because he does at least seem to be putting effort in now and comes across as a nice lad, but he surely can't keep any of the other strikers out for much longer.

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[Flatulent_Bob]

I think the accounts say we've spent just over £3m on players in the 09/10 season, the bulk of which will have been on Chedwyn.
He played slightly better yesterday and you did actually notice he was on the pitch.
But his anticipation and movement is generally woeful and you get the definite impression there's not much going on up top.

Haven't seen theses figures yet however if it says we've spent just over £3M.
(Can you send me a link, thanks)

I'm guessing that you will have to concede that he didn't cost £3 Million outright.
So far this season we have signed Williamson, Taylor, Cresswell and Evans.
So if we go with your figure of £3 Million then Ched can't of cost more than £1.5M max.


I can personally confirm that Ched isn't the brightest spark however I think there is nothing wrong with his football brain. There were a few occasions in the first half (early on) that he pulled deep got on the ball and played a couple of lovely through balls for runners into the area. As someone next to me commented, "those will all be forgotten by full time unless he scores". He's right on the money, Ched hasn't scored as many as he should have. A fair few of which could be put down to pure luck (how many times has he rattled the bar this season).
However while you have a forward not scoring you are going to get these questions. For my money a forward doesn't have to necessarily be a big scorer to play every week it depends on what else he does. I still think when we get it on the ground and especially when we play Ward (a forward playing wide who is always looking to get in the box) Ched will become more and more influential.
However this spilt in opinion will continue till Ched either starts scoring or he is sold.

 

[JohnDenver]

I can personally confirm that Ched isn't the brightest spark

It's all relative with footballers.

When one footballer calls another a bit dim, to the rest of us he'd be profoundly sub-normal.

 

[Warnock=God]

I thought he had a fab game yesterday, apart from the times where we tried to us him as a target man.

Held the ball well, most passes went to our players and movement around the box was class.

He will become good. Just got to give him time.

 

[Bladesway]

Theres a problem with Chedders though isn't there. He isn't big, he isn't quick and he isn't a poacher. What exactly is he? I believe a centre forward has to be one of the above, Ched is alright in the air and he isn't the slowest. He has a half decent first touch as well, but he doesn't excel in any department.

Henderson = Better in the air
Cresswell = Better in the air and better at being in the right place at the right time
Ward = quicker

Where does he fit in?

 

[bricktop]

It's all relative with footballers.

When one footballer calls another a bit dim, to the rest of us he'd be profoundly sub-normal.

Pat Nevin, and David Wetherall all played football after completing university degrees.

Stuart Ripley ex Blackburn and Middlesborough winger is currently doing a law degree.

Ex-Blade Paul Rogers was a stockbroker before breaking in to football

Clarke Carlisle is a member of Mensa.

Most of the foreign players in our game are at the very worst bilingual, and several can speak several languages that are different to their mother tongue.

Having said that footballers don't necessarily need to be intelligent, but i'd guess that on average between them they have the same average intelligence quotation as Joe Public

 

[silverfox]

Pat Nevin, and David Wetherall all played football after completing university degrees.

Stuart Ripley ex Blackburn and Middlesborough winger is currently doing a law degree.

Ex-Blade Paul Rogers was a stockbroker before breaking in to football

Clarke Carlisle is a member of Mensa.

Most of the foreign players in our game are at the very worst bilingual, and several can speak several languages that are different to their mother tongue.

Having said that footballers don't necessarily need to be intelligent, but i'd guess that on average between them they have the same average intelligence quotation as Joe Public

We have some very well educated posters on here!

They hide it so well.

 

[alcoblade]

Haven't seen theses figures yet however if it says we've spent just over £3M.
(Can you send me a link, thanks)

I'm guessing that you will have to concede that he didn't cost £3 Million outright.
So far this season we have signed Williamson, Taylor, Cresswell and Evans.
So if we go with your figure of £3 Million then Ched can't of cost more than £1.5M max.


I can personally confirm that Ched isn't the brightest spark however I think there is nothing wrong with his football brain. There were a few occasions in the first half (early on) that he pulled deep got on the ball and played a couple of lovely through balls for runners into the area. As someone next to me commented, "those will all be forgotten by full time unless he scores". He's right on the money, Ched hasn't scored as many as he should have. A fair few of which could be put down to pure luck (how many times has he rattled the bar this season).
However while you have a forward not scoring you are going to get these questions. For my money a forward doesn't have to necessarily be a big scorer to play every week it depends on what else he does. I still think when we get it on the ground and especially when we play Ward (a forward playing wide who is always looking to get in the box) Ched will become more and more influential.
However this spilt in opinion will continue till Ched either starts scoring or he is sold.

no fees are ever paid up front. Our chairman says he was "£3M and one of the highest paid players outside the premiership". Others trying to negotiate our own chairman downwards really is a thorn in the side of their argument.

We can analyse it to death - he doesn't score goals and there are others outside the team who clearly can right now. Potential can be debated but it doesn't look at all like contributing to a promotion push in the near future.

UTB

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Theres a problem with Chedders though isn't there. He isn't big, he isn't quick and he isn't a poacher. What exactly is he? I believe a centre forward has to be one of the above, Ched is alright in the air and he isn't the slowest. He has a half decent first touch as well, but he doesn't excel in any department.

Henderson = Better in the air
Cresswell = Better in the air and better at being in the right place at the right time
Ward = quicker

Where does he fit in?

Who is to say that being more of a jack-of-all-trades type striker isn't better in the long run? Look at Rooney: I think Henderson is better than him in the air as is Cresswell and Ward is certainly quicker. Where does Rooney fit into your idea of a striker?

As for Cresswell being better in the air, are you sure? Am pretty sure Ched won more headers than him yesterday. One of my issues with Blackwell playing Cresswell as a target man is that he never wins an header so I was watching and counting yesterday. Cresswell won two headers: one pretty important one (which you could count as shoulder TBH) and another with nobody near him when the ball bounced up. Ched won quite a few in the first half.

Every week, I see a little bit more about Ched that I like. I think Blackwell is right on the money with the comments about players learning what it is like to play for SUFC and Evans is the top example.

Finally, there is one point about a striker that is also important above the ones you mentioned. Can they finish? I don't think we've seen enough evidence that Chedwyn can't finish when he gets chances ... It's the same as Sharp as well: he didn't get goals but I can't remember him missing many either.

 

[lenners]

Haven't seen theses figures yet however if it says we've spent just over £3M.
(Can you send me a link, thanks)

I'm guessing that you will have to concede that he didn't cost £3 Million outright.
So far this season we have signed Williamson, Taylor, Cresswell and Evans.
So if we go with your figure of £3 Million then Ched can't of cost more than £1.5M max.


I can personally confirm that Ched isn't the brightest spark however I think there is nothing wrong with his football brain. There were a few occasions in the first half (early on) that he pulled deep got on the ball and played a couple of lovely through balls for runners into the area. As someone next to me commented, "those will all be forgotten by full time unless he scores". He's right on the money, Ched hasn't scored as many as he should have. A fair few of which could be put down to pure luck (how many times has he rattled the bar this season).
However while you have a forward not scoring you are going to get these questions. For my money a forward doesn't have to necessarily be a big scorer to play every week it depends on what else he does. I still think when we get it on the ground and especially when we play Ward (a forward playing wide who is always looking to get in the box) Ched will become more and more influential.
However this spilt in opinion will continue till Ched either starts scoring or he is sold.

Don't think there's a link because the accounts haven't been put on the internet as far as I know.
But it's something like £3.2m or £3.02m commitments in the current year.
It won't include Cresswell and just underlines that the bulk of Chedwyn's £3m transfer will be paid this year.
Still, if Laws goes for Sharp we might recoup a reasonable chunk in the transfer window.

 

[alcoblade]

As for Cresswell being better in the air, are you sure? Am pretty sure Ched won more headers than him yesterday.

Cresswell seems to win the ones that end up in the back of the net, which is 99% of any argument won, surely.

UTB

 

[puppet]

Cresswell seems to win the ones that end up in the back of the net, which is 99% of any argument won, surely.

UTB

hes good in the air is cresswell, he also played well generally... as did evans.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm not at all impressed by Evans, but he has shown some signs of promise. But the issue surely isn't about the development of Evans - it's about our strikers hitting the back of the net in our chase for the Premiership.

When everyone is fully fit, who should make way for our none striking striker?

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Fuck fuck fuckity fuck. Written an lengthy reply and I go and lose it.

Anyway, I'll try and remember everything.

Firstly I'd say Ched is a forward not a striker
Wardy is our winger, while I may disagree about him outwide he has rarely been started upfront and Blackie obviously fancies him out wide rather than up top.
Cresswell and Hendo can't play together they aren't mobile enough so it's one from two.
Camara isn't able to play 90 mins twice a week, in fact he struggles to play 90 mins once a week. So do you start Camara in one match, taking him off before the end and then resting him for the next match? I would say the manager will probably start with Ched, bringing on Camara in the last 30 mins where his pace can really hurt the opposition and the game is more open.

 

[puppet]

Fuck fuck fuckity fuck. Written an lengthy reply and I go and lose it.

Anyway, I'll try and remember everything.

Firstly I'd say Ched is a forward not a striker
Wardy is our winger, while I may disagree about him outwide he has rarely been started upfront and Blackie obviously fancies him out wide rather than up top.
Cresswell and Hendo can't play together they aren't mobile enough so it's one from two.
Camara isn't able to play 90 mins twice a week, in fact he struggles to play 90 mins once a week. So do you start Camara in one match, taking him off before the end and then resting him for the next match? I would say the manager will probably start with Ched, bringing on Camara in the last 30 mins where his pace can really hurt the opposition and the game is more open.

ward prefers to play out on the right

 

[bottletree]

Ched Evans is one of those players i really DON'T want to see in a Blades shirt. He is slow, can not head a ball, can not pass a ball, can not trap a ball, can not find a player. The list is bloody endless. He makes my blood boil. I'm sat in my seat and every time he gets the ball groans appear all around me.
I would drop him like a shot and transfer him as quickly as possible.
That is all.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He is slow, can not head a ball, can not pass a ball, can not trap a ball, can not find a player.

Were you at either game this week? Plenty of examples in both that would contradict that assessment.

Hendo didn't look entirely fit in either of his sub appearances this week, and Camara also appears to be struggling with his fitness. I would stick with Cresswell and Evans until the others are back fit - they actually worked well as a partnership in both games this week, certainly developing an understanding.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Ched Evans is one of those players i really DON'T want to see in a Blades shirt. He is slow, can not head a ball, can not pass a ball, can not trap a ball, can not find a player. The list is bloody endless. He makes my blood boil. I'm sat in my seat and every time he gets the ball groans appear all around me.
I would drop him like a shot and transfer him as quickly as possible.
That is all.

I do hope so because he has many faults but to say he can't pass, can't trap and can't find a player is utter shite.

By all means pick out the areas where he is obviously lacking in comparison i.e. his goalscoring record or he doesn't get in the box enough but to just to post a list of random attributes he lacks without any real evidence to back them up is pointless.
I have no problem with people not rating Ched, but make a valid point please.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I do hope so because he has many faults but to say he can't pass, can't trap and can't find a player is utter shite.

By all means pick out the areas where he is obviously lacking in comparison i.e. his goalscoring record or he doesn't get in the box enough but to just to post a list of random attributes he lacks without any real evidence to back them up is pointless.
I have no problem with people not rating Ched, but make a valid point please.

I agree, he's shown much better awareness of those around him in the last 2 games and has been much more involved which was a major criticism earlier in the season. All he's missing at the moment is a goal. There's no doubt we haven't played as much long ball stuff either since Hendo has been out.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The other point with Ched is his age, which I know get dragged out as an excuse but do keep in mind the lad was only 21 last month. Just thinking about the development player comment Blackwell trotted out the other week.

Cresswell is 32, Camara is 33 and Ward is 24 in May, and Hendo is 28.
I think when you look at that is might give things a bit of perspective he is still very much learning his trade. Personally I think he is ahead of all those players at his respective age and should be given games.
Maybe you might start to see that we do have quite a player on our hands who will only get better.