Incoming? Ched Evans

[Sean Thornton]

Bumped from my post in November

Q. If he could work with Billy it would be a dream pairing.

Goals galore

My A. Trust me on this one. It would work a treat.

Reason ?

Both have the intelligence and "nouce" to understand what each other wants, in terms of runs, supply, and where to be on the pitch at any given time.

We have seen how effective Coutts and Fleck have been recently. Mostly for exactly the same reasons.

How many times has Sharp delivered quality balls in to the box already this season ?

Who has been on the end ???

And it would work the other way as well with Ched providing quality supply for Billy.

I like Done and all he does for the side. But he is limited.

But Done isn't Ched, who would be a massive upgrade on what we already have as a partner for Sharp.

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Nothing has changed my view that Ched would be a major upgrade on Done, Clarke and Lavery. Purely footballing reasons not sentimental !!

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You think Billy would be a provider for Ched? Billy has never done well in that role, his successes have been as a selfish poacher.
In any event, Ched loves through balls and passes where he can muscle past a defender.

Cheds a predator, no pun intended, not a provider, I doubt there's be room for the two of them.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Just the odd rumour and bits of speculation. Chesterfield are desperate too so maybe it wouldn't take much. Although I would expect 350k+.

I think we could offer him a competitive enough deal with a promotion bonus and wage increase. Then hopefully the sentimental stuff would swing it. But if there are no Championship offers then it would be easy to agree terms with him.

The risk/reward ratio is good with Evans though. He wouldn't cost that much, he would likely get over these injuries and could easily reach a value in excess of what we spent on him in the first place.

Think Chesterfield arent as desperate as people think although a good fee and they'd sell him. (Maybe a trigger in his contract) again only rumour but Dave Allen is certainly in the driving seat over there and he'd cash in on Ched simply because he won't save them singlehandedly and DA is a medium to long term investor.


I'd think he'd cost, in wages, substantially more than you'd think. But it's only my opinion, so I'm not going to keep repeating it in the hope it's true. And I'm too old to write to Santa.

He may get over these injuries. He may not. How many times do we take that risk? If he wasn't having these regular niggles I'd take him today, but he is. Anyone can of course have an injury after they've signed, Cheds having them already.

 

[bartman]

He may get over these injuries. He may not. How many times do we take that risk? If he wasn't having these regular niggles I'd take him today, but he is. Anyone can of course have an injury after they've signed, Cheds having them already.

This

 

[Sean Thornton]

Are they? This was their chairman on Twitter:



I think other clubs have been looking at Ched though.

The scout has been several times. That's from a senior CFC employee as they reserve tickets. Knowing a club like that may be interested pushes the price up. Regardless, if he doesn't know who he is?.......

Leeds were looking.

 

[Silent Blade]

A Chesterfield fan at my work says that Ched has fitness problems

 

[YES Blade]

Are they? This was their chairman on Twitter:



I think other clubs have been looking at Ched though.

He's hardly going to send a tweet confirming they are interested is he?

 

[Bladesman]

He's hardly going to send a tweet confirming they are interested is he?

True.

 

[Revolution]

I've not been saying Clarke is the answer for months so don't make shit up. He's not played enough to be written off anyway. Most of his appearances have been with Sharp which handicaps him.

Done's a one season wonder. Average ability yet scores a good number of goals, not done before or since. Evans scored nearly a goal a game, and was a cut above - powerful shooting, making his own space and chances, etc. There was clearly more to come from him. Anyone with football knowledge could see that. Not only that but he also had good spells previously, including one at Norwich. I also think his efforts for a poor Chesterfield team this season after 4+ years out prove he's not a one season wonder - what would he be doing in a better team with no enforced absence from the game? He has obvious ability. He will continue to do well in this league and possibly higher. But I know there's probably no convincing you.

The majority wanted him back in 2014 and the majority want him back now from what I've seen. Might do a poll soon.

You've been going on at length for months about how Sharp and Done are not good enough and we'd be better off with Clarke and Lavery in the side. You told us in August that Clarke and Lavery had the potential to get 35 goals between them. I haven't made anything up.

And yet when Sharp and Done play together, we usually win, and rarely lose. When Clarke starts, we never win. Lavery has hardly figured due to his lack of fitness.

Done may not be scoring, but the way he plays makes him a hell of a lot more use to the team at present than Clarke.

 

[DronnieBlade]

You've been going on at length for months about how Sharp and Done are not good enough and we'd be better off with Clarke and Lavery in the side. You told us in August that Clarke and Lavery had the potential to get 35 goals between them. I haven't made anything up.

And yet when Sharp and Done play together, we usually win, and rarely lose. When Clarke starts, we never win. Lavery has hardly figured due to his lack of fitness.

Done may not be scoring, but the way he plays makes him a hell of a lot more use to the team at present than Clarke.

15-Love

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[DronnieBlade]

You think Billy would be a provider for Ched? Billy has never done well in that role, his successes have been as a selfish poacher.
In any event, Ched loves through balls and passes where he can muscle past a defender.

Cheds a predator, no pun intended, not a provider, I doubt there's be room for the two of them.

Is Billy the best crosser of the ball at the club ?

Do bees bee ?

So yes, the evidence IS there. IMHO.

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[Sean Thornton]

Is Billy the best crosser of the ball at the club ?

Do bees bee ?

So yes, the evidence IS there. IMHO.

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No.

They buzz.

Again, no.




Edit, imho that is!

 

[Ricky]

You've been going on at length for months about how Sharp and Done are not good enough and we'd be better off with Clarke and Lavery in the side. You told us in August that Clarke and Lavery had the potential to get 35 goals between them. I haven't made anything up.

And yet when Sharp and Done play together, we usually win, and rarely lose. When Clarke starts, we never win. Lavery has hardly figured due to his lack of fitness.

Done may not be scoring, but the way he plays makes him a hell of a lot more use to the team at present than Clarke.

Nope, you are making shit up. I've been saying Sharp's not good enough have I? Go on then, show me where I said that.

I've been saying that Clarke or Lavery could be better options for certain games and guess what, the manager agreed with me.

I can't remember saying Clarke and Lavery could get 35 between them, so you can show me where I said that too if you like. But it's hardly an outlandish statement. Clarke has proven he can get 20 himself in this division. A few appearances each and barely any together is no evidence at all that they couldn't get plenty of goals between them. Put them both in a good attacking team and it's entirely possible, although obviously in your mind a small handful of appearances in difficult circumstances is enough to write them off.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Nope, you are making shit up. I've been saying Sharp's not good enough have I? Go on then, show me where I said that.

I've been saying that Clarke or Lavery could be better options for certain games and guess what, the manager agreed with me.

I can't remember saying Clarke and Lavery could get 35 between them, so you can show me where I said that too if you like. But it's hardly an outlandish statement. Clarke has proven he can get 20 himself in this division. A few appearances each and barely any together is no evidence at all that they couldn't get plenty of goals between them. Put them both in a good attacking team and it's entirely possible, although obviously in your mind a small handful of appearances in difficult circumstances is enough to write them off.

Rickbert.

Give it up fella !

Clarke is now 1 in 12, albeit not all have been starts. He is, for want of a better word, wank.

The manager "agreed' with you in a cup game where there was clear evidence he was giving fringe players some pitch time.

Get used to these two coming off the bench cos thats about the top and bottom of it.

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[ChipButtyBlade]

Lavery for ched , you clown

 

[BigBed]

Oh my God, I can't believe you said CLARKE is WANK!!!!!!!
The last time I said that, I was ridiculed and calls were made for me to be hung!!!

But I totally agree, Clarke is wank!
Have a like.

 

[Ricky]

Rickbert.

Give it up fella !

Clarke is now 1 in 12, albeit not all have been starts. He is, for want of a better word, wank.

The manager "agreed' with you in a cup game where there was clear evidence he was giving fringe players some pitch time.

Get used to these two coming off the bench cos thats about the top and bottom of it.

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Charlton, Walsall, on at half time against Bury. Fact is, Wilder saw fit to put him back in the team. Suggesting he thought Done wasn't doing enough to keep his place, just as I did.

Clarke's a better striker than Done, you'd be daft to argue that, but he clearly finds it harder playing with Sharp. Make your mind up, you were saying Clarke's just been shite for us, now you're saying he's wank full stop!

 

[TonyAgana]

Wilder saw fit to put him back in the team. Suggesting he thought Done wasn't doing enough to keep his place, just as I did.

Wilder has reverted. Suggesting he accepts he got it wrong.

 

[Dec]

I agree there is unfinished business though. He owes all Blades fans an apology.

Why does he? He wrongly spent 2 and a half years of his life behind bars. That wasn't his fault.

 

[Revolution]

Nope, you are making shit up. I've been saying Sharp's not good enough have I? Go on then, show me where I said that.

I've been saying that Clarke or Lavery could be better options for certain games and guess what, the manager agreed with me.

I can't remember saying Clarke and Lavery could get 35 between them, so you can show me where I said that too if you like. But it's hardly an outlandish statement. Clarke has proven he can get 20 himself in this division. A few appearances each and barely any together is no evidence at all that they couldn't get plenty of goals between them. Put them both in a good attacking team and it's entirely possible, although obviously in your mind a small handful of appearances in difficult circumstances is enough to write them off.

You said the Clark-Lavery 35 goals thing on 23 August.

I may have put words in your mouth re Sharp - if so, I apologise. You have, of course, said you want to replace Done.

I'm not writing Clarke and Lavery off (though I think Clarke is not giving 100% and Lavery isn't as good as some think he is). I'm just pointing out that results with Sharp and Done up top have been miles better than with any other combination. That's a fact isn't it?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Charlton, Walsall, on at half time against Bury. Fact is, Wilder saw fit to put him back in the team. Suggesting he thought Done wasn't doing enough to keep his place, just as I did.

Clarke's a better striker than Done, you'd be daft to argue that, but he clearly finds it harder playing with Sharp. Make your mind up, you were saying Clarke's just been shite for us, now you're saying he's wank full stop!

I said, to much amusement by some, that Clarke was wank back in August. Refute that before you change my story for me !!!

And yes I would argue that in general, Done is a better striker. And in this side with this set up, absolutely so.

I also said Higdon was wank after seeing him for 45 mins when certain planks (not you necessarily as far as I can remember) were jizzing themselves over him.

I wasn't wrong then either !

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[sheffielder]

Not that I am advocating his return, however he would do a similar job to Done in regards to work rate but obviously provide more quality.

I think I fit in the category where a few sit, where I wouldn't openly want him back, but could just about live with it if he does.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I said, to much amusement by some, that Clarke was wank back in August. Refute that before you change my story for me !!!

And yes I would argue that in general, Done is a better striker. And in this side with this set up, absolutely so.

I also said Higdon was wank after seeing him for 45 mins when certain planks (not you necessarily as far as I can remember) were jizzing themselves over him.

I wasn't wrong then either !

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As far back as August 13th I said Leon was wank and that He and Sharp would simply not work.

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/hes-a-pig.48377/

And while we are it at, DannySUFC, tell me I was wrong

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[itsinyerblood]

Still on topic, well just about hanging on by a thread.....yesterday I was told that a poll might suggest that at least 500 Ched tarts would reveal the depth of support for his return. Where is this poll? I trust it wasn't just another invention to support the fantasy of the prodigal son, unfinished business, or whatever fanciful smoke and mirrors wordplay that has become synonymous with Evans the footballer.

As the weeks roll by, and January approaches, the sense of heightened jizz explosion reaches it's crescendo, chants of Ched, Ched, Ched, are spoken in hushed, fevered tones by shadowy hooded figures.......one final attempt to see their poster boy in red and white, surely fate won't be that cruel to deny their obsession with the Welsh boyo? Not long to go, soon the January Transfer Window will be upon us, and then, well the suspense will be nothing short of underwhelming!

PS: Where's the Poll?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Still on topic, well just about hanging on by a thread.....yesterday I was told that a poll might suggest that at least 500 Ched tarts would reveal the depth of support for his return. Where is this poll? I trust it wasn't just another invention to support the fantasy of the prodigal son, unfinished business, or whatever fanciful smoke and mirrors wordplay that has become synonymous with Evans the footballer.

As the weeks roll by, and January approaches, the sense of heightened jizz explosion reaches it's crescendo, chants of Ched, Ched, Ched, are spoken in hushed, fevered tones by shadowy hooded figures.......one final attempt to see their poster boy in red and white, surely fate won't be that cruel to deny their obsession with the Welsh boyo? Not long to go, soon the January Transfer Window will be upon us, and then, well the suspense will be nothing short of underwhelming!

PS: Where's the Poll?

Fuck the poll.

In a side creating this many chances, and alongside Sharp, Ched would have a birthday.

No sentiment. Nowt to do with unfinished business.

Just business. Football business.

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[itsinyerblood]

Fuck the poll.

In a side creating this many chances, and alongside Sharp, Ched would have a birthday.

No sentiment. Nowt to do with unfinished business.

Just business. Football business.

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Dronnie, I don't see this as an article of faith, and I suspect you don't either. I just happen to think the idea of a current successful goalscorer saddled with someone who once had a single decent season is at best fanciful. It's often been cited that the best teams are not always comprised of the best players, chemistry is a rare thing to discover, and whether Evans would or wouldn't contribute in ways that would make an often heated discussion seem redundant I doubt we'll ever know. Stating your view passionately is understandable, I've done the same on other topics, I just feel that on this one the best we'll know is that opinions are split. Time to look forward I feel.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Dronnie, I don't see this as an article of faith, and I suspect you don't either. I just happen to think the idea of a current successful goalscorer saddled with someone who once had a single decent season is at best fanciful. It's often been cited that the best teams are not always comprised of the best players, chemistry is a rare thing to discover, and whether Evans would or wouldn't contribute in ways that would make an often heated discussion seem redundant I doubt we'll ever know. Stating your view passionately is understandable, I've done the same on other topics, I just feel that on this one the best we'll know is that opinions are split. Time to look forward I feel.

All good and valid points.

I just find myself in a position, in my own mind at least, to realise that, come the 2nd half of the season, we could do with a Ched type. IMHO.

So if we need a Ched type, why not Ched ?

Unlike others opinions on the matter, which I fully understand and respect, I find myself being able to detach the "baggage".

For purely footballing reasons.

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PS I would be confident, if given a choice,Sharp would love to be "saddled" with Ched. No politically incorrect pun intended !

 

[itsinyerblood]

All good and valid points.

I just find myself in a position, in my own mind at least, to realise that, come the 2nd half of the season, we could do with a Ched type. IMHO.

So if we need a Ched type, why not Ched ?

Unlike others opinions on the matter, which I fully understand and respect, I find myself being able to detach the "baggage".

For purely footballing reasons.

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PS I would be confident, if given a choice,Sharp would love to be "saddled" with Ched. No politically incorrect pun intended !

Actually, although no intended pun, you managed to create an image that I found amusing.....my bad I fear!

I certainly believe that variety of choice is essential, whether it's Evans or someone else, the vital thing is what they bring with them and whether they can fit into Wilder's set of demands that the said player works hard for the whole game. Any baggage attached to Evans has never been my concern. I worry that what he was is no more, and that what we have in Wilder is a manager who would want to sign a player at the top of his game, purely to do with the number of remaining games and the contribution the player would have in that time-frame. Promotion is within our grasp, signing someone who might need time to adjust would be something I doubt CW would want.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Actually, although no intended pun, you managed to create an image that I found amusing.....my bad I fear!

I certainly believe that variety of choice is essential, whether it's Evans or someone else, the vital thing is what they bring with them and whether they can fit into Wilder's set of demands that the said player works hard for the whole game. Any baggage attached to Evans has never been my concern. I worry that what he was is no more, and that what we have in Wilder is a manager who would want to sign a player at the top of his game, purely to do with the number of remaining games and the contribution the player would have in that time-frame. Promotion is within our grasp, signing someone who might need time to adjust would be something I doubt CW would want.

Agree.

That said, I believe Wilder is uncertain about his front two. Recent selections have done little to clarify, in his own mind, who are his best two.

He dropped Done. Clearly wanted and expected Sharp and Clarke to work. It has not and will not. The body language and lack of eye contact between the two as they left / entered the pitch on Saturday speaks volumes.

I do believe that Wilder will want to improve the squad in January, and that the board will back him. The target is in sight and they won't want to pass on a golden opportunity to strengthen for the run in and, hopefully for next year in a different division (Not L2 !).

He will get the backing from the board, Primarily because his reworking of the squad, in such a short space of time, has been remarkable in the main. So he's in credit here.

Priorities for me would be a decision on Lafferty, as regards extending the loan full season. Personally I would be looking for better.

And as I have repeatedly said, a credible partner for Sharp.

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[Chief_Froley]

I don't want him within 10 miles if our club

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

 

[lingsbord]

Brilliant Froley, laughed out loud when I saw that