Incoming? Ched Evans

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Might be nothing or just a rumour but heard ched isnt playing tomorrow apparently slight knock if this is true could be true about January
 

Ricky said:
Lavery wouldn't even go there, neither would Clarke. Why would they? And why would you want to give up on Lavery having seen nothing of him?

If we were to do a swap deal, and I'm sure it's something Wilder's considered, then McNulty and Reed are the prime candidates, but they'd probably only go on loan. Maybe we could offer to pay all their wages. McNulty needs first team football now, simple as that, and he'd be daft not to go there and play regularly.
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McNulty would be ideal. He'd play regularly and if they went down they're guaranteed goals from him next season to help them back up. Unless Bradford are interested in signing him permanently he may as well go to Chesterfield. He wouldn't have to move house or anything.
 
A few points:
He won't guarantee 30 goals - that was 5 years ago
He won't smooth the transition in the championship - he might but I don't recall him being prolific in the two seasons he played there
He won't galvanise support - wilder is doing that by getting a successful team that reflects the desire of the supporters i.e. Having bottle, determination, attacking intent and skill
 
diplomat said:
A few points:
He won't guarantee 30 goals - that was 5 years ago
He won't smooth the transition in the championship - he might but I don't recall him being prolific in the two seasons he played there
He won't galvanise support - wilder is doing that by getting a successful team that reflects the desire of the supporters i.e. Having bottle, determination, attacking intent and skill
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Is he any better than what we've got?

And forget the misty-eyed nostalgia of 5 years ago, that isn't going to return and was one season only. Take that away and his record is pretty poor. We don't need another forward on top of what we have, so one out would be required. Don't see the point.
 
He'd be a bench warmer at the Lane, but he's first choice at Chessie. He's always said that he just wants to start playing again. Doubt he'd be interested in being a squad player, even if it meant more money.
 
If CW deems him good enough for his squad then i hope we get Evans back and i think he would sign re unfinished business. If CW doesnt think hes good enough then he wont. Let CW decide. Thats all that matters tbh.
 
I want the board to back Wilder in the Jan window. I want to see a statement of intent and some insurance through the winter months when hopefully one or two of the smaller squads will feel the pinch and fall by the way side. If that happens to be CE then so be it. Tbh, whoever CW deems the right players to move us forward is good enough for me

There's a tough few months ahead of us. Both Scunny and Bradford are winning again today. We need to give ourselves every opportunity to get out this division. I hope the board aren't short sighted this January
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Is he any better than what we've got?

And forget the misty-eyed nostalgia of 5 years ago, that isn't going to return and was one season only. Take that away and his record is pretty poor. We don't need another forward on top of what we have, so one out would be required. Don't see the point.
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Dkc said:
He'd be a bench warmer at the Lane, but he's first choice at Chessie. He's always said that he just wants to start playing again. Doubt he'd be interested in being a squad player, even if it meant more money.
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Bench warmer! Who's better than him, Done?

I think some forget just how much better than L1 he was that season. He was clearly on his way to being a top Championship striker. By all accounts he's Chesterfield's best player, and has a decent enough goals tally considering he's been interrupted with the court case and injury, as well as being in a poor team.

Even if he was only as good as our other strikers, I'd still have him because his motivation would be incredible. He'll also get better without a doubt so could be a big asset in the future.
 
Ricky said:
Bench warmer! Who's better than him, Done?

I think some forget just how much better than L1 he was that season. He was clearly on his way to being a top Championship striker. By all accounts he's Chesterfield's best player, and has a decent enough goals tally considering he's been interrupted with the court case and injury, as well as being in a poor team.

Even if he was only as good as our other strikers, I'd still have him because his motivation would be incredible. He'll also get better without a doubt so could be a big asset in the future.
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Hes better than Done on his own but as a partnership with Billy ,Done is the more suited. Having said that you cant have too many quality strikers ,we have some and could always use another.
 
sitwell said:
Hes better than Done on his own but as a partnership with Billy ,Done is the more suited. Having said that you cant have too many quality strikers ,we have some and could always use another.
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I disagree about partnership suitability. Evans can link up better and doesn't need the same chances as Sharp like Done does. He's also a physical presence so Billy wouldn't have to do as much donkey work and challenge for headers he'll never win. Evans can do a lot of good work outside the box and I think Sharp would benefit from that. His fitness is probably good as well which means he could help our pressing game.
 
TBW57 said:
...and there's no way Chesterfield would refuse a half-reasonable offer for a player who could otherwise leave for nothing at the end of the season.
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They have a years option on him, and are expecting a fee way in excess of what we'll be prepared to pay.

Of course, the fee will depend in actual demand, but until negotiations start, we'll be a mile off.

UTB
 

No no no, he has caused us so much shit and cost us promotion. Why would we want him back? We have great morale and team chemistry if he is added it could cause divideo in the dressing room. I don't know why he has become a cult hero, whether he is innocent is regardless he is not a man that I would like in the team. Also, he hasn't exactly set the wold alive at chez so why don't we all move on and look at other targets i.e omar bogle.

I know people will shoot me down because of this but I'm sick of hearing his name now.
 
Ricky said:
I disagree about partnership suitability. Evans can link up better and doesn't need the same chances as Sharp like Done does. He's also a physical presence so Billy wouldn't have to do as much donkey work and challenge for headers he'll never win. Evans can do a lot of good work outside the box and I think Sharp would benefit from that. His fitness is probably good as well which means he could help our pressing game.
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You're describing the 2012 Ched Evans.

The 2016 Ched Evans hasn't scored in 8 league games and his team are second bottom. Sounds a bit like the 2010-11 Evans, actually.
 
Revolution said:
You're describing the 2012 Ched Evans.

The 2016 Ched Evans hasn't scored in 8 league games and his team are second bottom. Sounds a bit like the 2010-11 Evans, actually.
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I'm not even saying much about him there, am I?

Based on everything I've seen and heard he closely resembles the 2012 Evans - and if he's anywhere near that level he'd be worth signing.


As for Omar Bogle, we've probably missed our chance. Grimsby want £1m I think. We could try. A more realistic one is Job Obika at Swindon if he can prove his fitness.
 
Ricky said:
I'm not even saying much about him there, am I?

Based on everything I've seen and heard he closely resembles the 2012 Evans - and if he's anywhere near that level he'd be worth signing.


As for Omar Bogle, we've probably missed our chance. Grimsby want £1m I think. We could try. A more realistic one is Job Obika at Swindon if he can prove his fitness.
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I have no interest in bringing back Evans. He did more damage to this club over the last five years than anyone else, and that's saying something. We have ample forwards for the task in hand and Evans has already proved he is not good enough for The Championship.
 
Revolution said:
Evans has already proved he is not good enough for The Championship.
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I can't believe it when anybody says this. Forget what he might be now. Are you seriously telling me that player who scored 34 goals couldn't cut it in the Championship? He was better than Jordan Rhodes, and he went on to do well. So many players who didn't stand out as much as him have gone on to do well in the Championship. On top of that, he has done well in that league previously, with Norwich. He did OK in his second season with us too in the circumstances.
 
Ricky said:
I can't believe it when anybody says this. Forget what he might be now. Are you seriously telling me that player who scored 34 goals couldn't cut it in the Championship? He was better than Jordan Rhodes, and he went on to do well. So many players who didn't stand out as much as him have gone on to do well in the Championship. On top of that, he has done well in that league previously, with Norwich. He did OK in his second season with us too in the circumstances.
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I don't know why Blackwell signed him. His preferred formation was 451 with a Henderson type up top. So you'd think he'd have signed a player similar to Hendo, knowing that Hendo always missed games through injury and suspension. I think the season we signed Evans, Southampton signed Lambert for about £1m. I'm pretty sure that he'd have chosen us if we'd have gone in for him, being a division above and based in the north.
We'd have signed him for back up and he'd have probably become first choice. And I'd seen him in the cup against a championship side and he was clearly good enough.
But no, we go for Ched with very little thought of how he was going to fit in. Typical Blackwell. Fucking clueless. Evans would have done ok in a team that played to his strengths. We didn't.
 
Ricky said:
I can't believe it when anybody says this. Forget what he might be now. Are you seriously telling me that player who scored 34 goals couldn't cut it in the Championship? He was better than Jordan Rhodes, and he went on to do well. So many players who didn't stand out as much as him have gone on to do well in the Championship. On top of that, he has done well in that league previously, with Norwich. He did OK in his second season with us too in the circumstances.
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He was hopeless in 2010 and poor in 2011. You have no idea whether he'd be good enough now.

Anyway, sorry, broke my own rule again and wasted time talking and thinking about Evans. I'll stop now.
 
Ricky said:
I'm not even saying much about him there, am I?

Based on everything I've seen and heard he closely resembles the 2012 Evans - and if he's anywhere near that level he'd be worth signing.


As for Omar Bogle, we've probably missed our chance. Grimsby want £1m I think. We could try. A more realistic one is Job Obika at Swindon if he can prove his fitness.
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I'd rather we go for Akinde at Barnet
 
Think on Sunday we saw the beginning of the end for Ched Evans. For me this is how his career will progress , play 2 miss 3 injured , play 2 miss 3 injured.......never getting fully match fit ever again. Rearrange the following "pole , with , touch , a , wouldn't , him , barge "
 
I really don't understand how people can blame him solely for us blowing promotion ? Yes he's probably not the sharpest (no pun intended) and was stupid and morally wrong to cheat on his girlfriend but from his point of view what he did was consensual and in
no way could he have known what was to follow. He was brilliant for 90% of the season but in his absence we bottled it with four games to go. He's still a quality player you could see that yesterday just from some of the touches he made and looked more physical threat than I remember. Personally I'm not sure its wise to sign him judging how balanced and together the team looks but he's certainly a quality footballer and I will trust wilder's judgement on wether its risk worth taking.
 
GuangzhouBlade said:
I really don't understand how people can blame him solely for us blowing promotion ? Yes he's probably not the sharpest (no pun intended) and was stupid and morally wrong to cheat on his girlfriend but from his point of view what he did was consensual and in
no way could he have known what was to follow. He was brilliant for 90% of the season but in his absence we bottled it with four games to go. He's still a quality player you could see that yesterday just from some of the touches he made and looked more physical threat than I remember. Personally I'm not sure its wise to sign him judging how balanced and together the team looks but he's certainly a quality footballer and I will trust wilder's judgement on wether its risk worth taking.
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I disagree about him being brilliant for 90% of that season. I don't think he got going until November after Wilson had dropped him and brought in Matt Phillips and Billy Clarke on loan. So probably brilliant for 75%, but he was an amazing player in that time. Pity the rest of his United career wasn't so good. I didn't know many that wanted him and his wages to stay at BDTBL here when we got relegated.
 
I thought he was their best player yesterday by far. His running created them their best chances and our defence struggled against him at times.

Still, I think we've got to be cool headed in JTW and if we sign any forwards (do we need to?) then it needs to be for the right reasons and not nostalgic reasons.

Therefore, we should forget about the past and judge based on today. If that's the case, unless his fitness improves then I'd be very surprised if he comes to us.
 

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