Ched Evans About to Return?

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It's clearly more than a coincidence that since Coutts injury we've been in relegation form.
It was a massive blow to the team and though Wilder found a way to shore things up and got good results at Villa and Derby in the process we're still a good way from being the team we were.
Remains to be seen whether the new players make a difference.

Pig is confident after the 0-0 victory,and beating Carlisle at the 2nd attempt,note how Wilder has gone from failing to meet the challenge,to now finding a way to shore things up.

You are so obvious Len.
 



Yes he does disagree with you mate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05v93mn
11.20
''Good news about Ched got 30 mins for U23 and scored, so he is knocking on my door every half hour, which I love. I love that, I love that attitude ''

Yep, he’s definitely going to be featuring some stage soon, and Wilder if anything has raised the level of expectation for what he might contribute. I’m not sure that’s the most sensible approach – his last goal was over a year ago, and he’s going to be hitting his 30s later this year, so there’s no guarantee on his fitness. Fingers crossed though this will be the moment he recovers to some sort of level where he’s of use to us.
 
My personal dream was for him to smash the winner against Wednesday. The abuse he got off them, guised under a moral highground (when actually it was pure giddyness about their promotion chances) made me really want him to get one over on them.

We should have brought Lee Evans on against Wednesday and told everyone it was Ched.
 
This response much less well argued, I don't think anybody is suggesting Evans C. is the answer just that he is another option, if Thomas was getting games I'd say he covers part of what Evans brings to the squad but for some reason Wilder doesn't see enough in him to select him for the big games.
To suggest that Coutts being injured is the reason we are struggling, is to use your own term naive. We also missed a specialist RWB, had some pretty bad luck and who would have guessed it? Once teams realised we weren't whipping boys and it was us holding the whip, they have decided to defend in numbers. You've brought out the 5 goals in 5 years stat again when 4 of those years he wasn't even playing football! To use obviously biased facts such as this only harms your argument.

The fact he wasn’t playing football for 4 years is precisely the argument. He’s missed his prime years, he hasn’t racked up experience, he hasn’t developed. I don’t see how anyone can possibly think this prepares him for top-end-of-the-Championship football when he didn’t even cut it the first time.

First you echoed an argument about strikers, now it’s RWB. Our poor form began as soon as Coutts got injured. He is our best player and central to the way we play. There may be other minor factors, but the best player and the central midfield area are far more important than RWB, let’s not kid ourselves.
 
Here we go again.

I just dont want him to play for us. I’m perfectly happy for him to be fit, as long as he’s not in the team.

In the past you have claimed you will be happy if he suffered a serious injury,and if he was selected in the team,you want him to fail,you have actually said you want a Sheffield United player to be a failure and/or suffer a serious injury.

What a nice person you are,to even think such a thing.
 
In the past you have claimed you will be happy if he suffered a serious injury,and if he was selected in the team,you want him to fail,you have actually said you want a Sheffield United player to be a failure and/or suffer a serious injury.

What a nice person you are,to even think such a thing.

I don’t think talking about being a “nice person” is the strongest argument when referring to Ched Evans.

I don’t think I’ve ever said I want him to suffer a serious injury, though I’m happy to be presented with evidence to the contrary.

I do want him to fail. Because if he fails, he doesn’t play for us. And I don’t want him to play for us.
 
I don’t think talking about being a “nice person” is the strongest argument when referring to Ched Evans.

I don’t think I’ve ever said I want him to suffer a serious injury, though I’m happy to be presented with evidence to the contrary.

I do want him to fail. Because if he fails, he doesn’t play for us. And I don’t want him to play for us.

So if he fails playing for us,United fail,I so want him to be a success,just knowing how much you will hate him even more
 
The fact he wasn’t playing football for 4 years is precisely the argument. He’s missed his prime years, he hasn’t racked up experience, he hasn’t developed. I don’t see how anyone can possibly think this prepares him for top-end-of-the-Championship football when he didn’t even cut it the first time.

First you echoed an argument about strikers, now it’s RWB. Our poor form began as soon as Coutts got injured. He is our best player and central to the way we play. There may be other minor factors, but the best player and the central midfield area are far more important than RWB, let’s not kid ourselves.
You should've let it lie.
I didn't respond to your last post as it was so weak it didn't deserve an answer:
Let's just wait and see how Evans does, you don't even want that for the man. He's already proved he's good enough for league 1 by ragging Walsall our perennial stumbling block in the half hour of football he was afforded, he came on and made the difference that Duffy and Brooks couldn't. I don't know why you want Evans to fail (I do really) but you do, may I suggest you review what is available on the internet about the crime he supposedly committed and use some critical thinking about what you see. I know that is beyond you, are you a rosser? A member of the judiciary? Because these are the only wankers who wouldn't admit he was being set up. Come on own up why you think he was guilty.
 
So if he fails playing for us,United fail,I so want him to be a success,just knowing how much you will hate him even more

Well they won’t fail will they, because if and when he fails, he’ll get dropped. You seem to think he’ll get a gig every week for the whole season.

Honestly I don’t put people on ignore because I like to see dissenting views, but I do wonder if it’d make both our lives easier.
 
Well I thought he would be back already. He had his operation in November I think?
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According to The Star he has a knee injury, maybe his ankle injury and operation healed, only for his knee to become injured.

Might apply for a job at the Star, last Fridays derby at Swillsbrough, on Thursday night and Ched's knee injury. Do they just make stuff up ?
 
Well they won’t fail will they, because if and when he fails, he’ll get dropped. You seem to think he’ll get a gig every week for the whole season.

Honestly I don’t put people on ignore because I like to see dissenting views, but I do wonder if it’d make both our lives easier.

If and when he fails,you really cannot help yourself can you,you are actually wanting a player who plays for Sheffield United to fail,if not fail,you want him to suffer a serious injury,
 



You should've let it lie.
I didn't respond to your last post as it was so weak it didn't deserve an answer:
Let's just wait and see how Evans does, you don't even want that for the man. He's already proved he's good enough for league 1 by ragging Walsall our perennial stumbling block in the half hour of football he was afforded, he came on and made the difference that Duffy and Brooks couldn't. I don't know why you want Evans to fail (I do really) but you do, may I suggest you review what is available on the internet about the crime he supposedly committed and use some critical thinking about what you see. I know that is beyond you, are you a rosser? A member of the judiciary? Because these are the only wankers who wouldn't admit he was being set up. Come on own up why you think he was guilty.

Ok, I’ll start by saying that when someone asks in 5 posts’ time ‘why aren’t you talking about football’, you’ll have to put your hand up and say “that’s my fault.”

There are 3 reasons I don’t want him to play for us:

He has barely played for 5 years, he occupied a fair amount of our transfer budget and he has had one good season at a lower level. He was also quite clearly injured. Added to all the hassle he brings with him, it made no sense whatsoever from a footballing point of view. He has done NOTHING to counter any of those arguments and as it stands, even his biggest fans can’t logically call it a good signing yet.

He is morally reprehensible and falls below the standards we should expect from one of our players. They are paid a fantastic wage to represent the club. Were this a sport such as Aussie Rules, he’d have been hung out to dry by his fellow professionals and suspended by his own club before anyone else had chance. Somewhere along the line, football lost its own sense of morality because some players happen to be good. Connor Brown was released for Tweeting the girl involved in the Ched case, whereas Ched got his contract paid out and was welcomed back (until it became too toxic) for (at the time) raping someone. It is utter hypocrisy and Ched’s actions that night brought shame on the entire club.

Lastly, yes I do believe he’s guilty. I wasn’t on the jury, but from the facts that I’ve read, there is no doubt he had sex with her and little doubt she couldn’t remember. I don’t believe she was consenting and I don’t believe that re-directing your taxi to a hotel room, conning another key out of reception staff and bursting into a room because your mate said he had a bird qualifies as consent. I don’t think he reasonably believed she was consenting (Sex Offences Act, 2003). I also don’t think that her previous experiences or conduct had any relevance as to how drunk she was or whether she was consenting. I think he was determined to have sex with her anyway and that when he said “she said yes” he was lying. Both he and McDonald both said the other asked her, as they didn’t know who said it because it never happened.

It doesn’t really matter to me whether he raped her or not. He served his time. The point is, he falls well below the moral standards I expect from a Sheffield United footballer and I am unwilling to put that aside based on how good he was. He is a scumbag and he can go play for someone else.

You can say he was set up, but that just makes you sound ridiculous, as if there’s a conspiracy of some sort. The CPS thought a crime had been committed, so they prosecuted it.

As for critical thinking being beyond me, you can get personal if you need to, but it just makes your viewpoint weaker. I’m comfortable with my education and level of intelligence.

I still respect your opinion, I just disagree. And he’s going to fail, just like he has so far.
 
If and when he fails,you really cannot help yourself can you,you are actually wanting a player who plays for Sheffield United to fail,if not fail,you want him to suffer a serious injury,

Yes I want him to fail. Be shite in training, or so nothing to get himself picked. I don’t want him to get injured, I want him to not play for us and that will have to be through poor performance.

Stop bleating on about me wanting him to get injured or show me where I’ve said it and I’ll stand by it.
 
Ok, I’ll start by saying that when someone asks in 5 posts’ time ‘why aren’t you talking about football’, you’ll have to put your hand up and say “that’s my fault.”

There are 3 reasons I don’t want him to play for us:

He has barely played for 5 years, he occupied a fair amount of our transfer budget and he has had one good season at a lower level. He was also quite clearly injured. Added to all the hassle he brings with him, it made no sense whatsoever from a footballing point of view. He has done NOTHING to counter any of those arguments and as it stands, even his biggest fans can’t logically call it a good signing yet.

He is morally reprehensible and falls below the standards we should expect from one of our players. They are paid a fantastic wage to represent the club. Were this a sport such as Aussie Rules, he’d have been hung out to dry by his fellow professionals and suspended by his own club before anyone else had chance. Somewhere along the line, football lost its own sense of morality because some players happen to be good. Connor Brown was released for Tweeting the girl involved in the Ched case, whereas Ched got his contract paid out and was welcomed back (until it became too toxic) for (at the time) raping someone. It is utter hypocrisy and Ched’s actions that night brought shame on the entire club.

Lastly, yes I do believe he’s guilty. I wasn’t on the jury, but from the facts that I’ve read, there is no doubt he had sex with her and little doubt she couldn’t remember. I don’t believe she was consenting and I don’t believe that re-directing your taxi to a hotel room, conning another key out of reception staff and bursting into a room because your mate said he had a bird qualifies as consent. I don’t think he reasonably believed she was consenting (Sex Offences Act, 2003). I also don’t think that her previous experiences or conduct had any relevance as to how drunk she was or whether she was consenting. I think he was determined to have sex with her anyway and that when he said “she said yes” he was lying. Both he and McDonald both said the other asked her, as they didn’t know who said it because it never happened.

It doesn’t really matter to me whether he raped her or not. He served his time. The point is, he falls well below the moral standards I expect from a Sheffield United footballer and I am unwilling to put that aside based on how good he was. He is a scumbag and he can go play for someone else.

You can say he was set up, but that just makes you sound ridiculous, as if there’s a conspiracy of some sort. The CPS thought a crime had been committed, so they prosecuted it.

As for critical thinking being beyond me, you can get personal if you need to, but it just makes your viewpoint weaker. I’m comfortable with my education and level of intelligence.

I still respect your opinion, I just disagree. And he’s going to fail, just like he has so far.
An incredibly one-sided view. The original conviction always appeared unsafe to me. He subsequently appealed and the conviction was overturned. His career and to some extent his life were ruined by what now appears to have been a miscarriage of justice. He may not be the brightest but he didn’t deserve that.

If he can regain the brilliant form he showed in the season before his conviction he will be a major asset. Unfortunately I doubt he will be able to but I hope I’m wrong.
 
Yes I want him to fail. Be shite in training, or so nothing to get himself picked. I don’t want him to get injured, I want him to not play for us and that will have to be through poor performance.

Stop bleating on about me wanting him to get injured or show me where I’ve said it and I’ll stand by it.

Look on the search function
 
According to The Star he has a knee injury, maybe his ankle injury and operation healed, only for his knee to become injured.

Might apply for a job at the Star, last Fridays derby at Swillsbrough, on Thursday night and Ched's knee injury. Do they just make stuff up ?

How very dare you. I enjoy going on the website and looking at people glumly pointing at things, whilst at the same time finding out what the cast of a series I've never watched look like now*

*it was 20 years ago for fucks sake, of course they're going to look older, saggier, surgery gone sideways (literally)**

**Danny, I'm just yanking ya pal :)
 
Yes I want him to fail. Be shite in training, or so nothing to get himself picked. I don’t want him to get injured, I want him to not play for us and that will have to be through poor performance.

It was great watching him fail against Norwich earlier this season, and made it a really enjoyable experience knowing that his poor performance contributed to us not getting 1 or 3 points. I mean we’ve got enough points as it is really – an extra 1 or 3 would just be greedy.

The idea that wishing Evans to fail is anything other than wishing United to fail as a consequence is rather naive.
 
Who really thinks footballers are paragons of virtue and don’t do immoral things, or act in antisocial ways ?

As a fan the only thing that interests me in any player is their ability to play good football for the club I choose to support. As soon as they pull on that shirt then I see them as playing “ for me”. I’m sure I’ve cheered on some players who are right arseholes in their personal and private life but that’s not my business or something i’m interested in. If they fall foul of the criminal justice system, then it’s up to others to judge and make decisions about them. If the club I support sees fit or appropriate to employ them i think it’s implicit that they are deemed worthy individuals for me to pay my money to watch and to cheer them on.
 
Realistically he’s miles off the first team at the minute. It’ll take him months to get near match fit. And then to get in front of either Clarke, Donaldson, sharp or Wilson? Can’t see it myself
 
It was great watching him fail against Norwich earlier this season, and made it a really enjoyable experience knowing that his poor performance contributed to us not getting 1 or 3 points. I mean we’ve got enough points as it is really – an extra 1 or 3 would just be greedy.

The idea that wishing Evans to fail is anything other than wishing United to fail as a consequence is rather naive.

It’s not. He’s not first choice, so he’s hardly likely to start.

It’s not the watching him fail I really want, it's him not to play for us. Ideally, he’ll be dreadful in training.

Hardly matters what I want. He’s going to fail anyway.
 
An incredibly one-sided view. The original conviction always appeared unsafe to me. He subsequently appealed and the conviction was overturned. His career and to some extent his life were ruined by what now appears to have been a miscarriage of justice. He may not be the brightest but he didn’t deserve that.

If he can regain the brilliant form he showed in the season before his conviction he will be a major asset. Unfortunately I doubt he will be able to but I hope I’m wrong.

Respectfully, I was asked why I think he was guilty. Of course it’s a one-sided view. I’d hardly be getting pilloried by Fred and several others if I argued both sides.

I doubt he will too.
 
How very dare you. I enjoy going on the website and looking at people glumly pointing at things, whilst at the same time finding out what the cast of a series I've never watched look like now*

*it was 20 years ago for fucks sake, of course they're going to look older, saggier, surgery gone sideways (literally)**

**Danny, I'm just yanking ya pal :)

I knew it! Johnston Press are a subsidiary company of Crab Industries.
 



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