Cannon goes off

[Keen Blade]

Totally agree. He will move on from here no doubt and you can bet your house on it he will come good at another club. To just constantly slag a player off is ridiculous. We do not know what is going on, doesn't fit in, not a good fit for him and the club, lack of confidence, lack of experience, personal issues etc etc. Managers, coaches etc see something there. Wilder must see it in training. So he is not "wank" as some so eloquently put it. I would rather trust the professionals than the armchair manager/coaches on here who have played Sunday League Football or FIFA and think they know better ("but I'm entitled to my opinion " - but nobody else is) . He is a professional sportsman but also a human being that suffers from exactly the same issues that we do.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what his reasons are for not trying to contribute to my team - he should not be played - no player is bigger than the club ,
But that's how Cannon is being treated by Wilder ,
And that's mystifying , if Wilder loves the club.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Cooper has got credit in the bank after a phenomenal season last season

Mee, Tanganga and McGuinness have all been great in my opinion for the last few games. They are all massive presences and are really exciting to have at the club.

Ogbene I think is quality and his effort is unquestionable. McCallum had the most touches on the pitch while he was on yesterday and always looks eager.

Peck and Soumare are showing for the ball, whilst Peck isn’t having the best of seasons he absolutely his putting in the effort and Soumare you can tell in 100% concentrating on doing a good job.

O’Hare is doing really well.

Ings, whilst he didn’t contribute much I did see him making effort last night, loads of running and always trying to nick a foul to help the team.

Cannon. There are no words for how bad he was last night. Lazy. Not bothered in the slightest. This is not a witch hunt. When I see his name on the team sheet I might text my pals taking the mic, but deep down with him being a forward for £10m you just think it could click and we’re hoping he proves us wrong. We’re desperate for him to give us something to cling to. He doesn’t even kick anyone, you’d think there would be some more bookings to his game, like some frustration as he’s a big money signing who’s failing!

He wasn't lazy last night, he pressed far more than Ings did (as is expected at his age).
Ings: 2 aerial duels, 2 ground duels, lost all of them.
Cannon: 4 aerial duels, won one. 2 ground duels, won one.

He didn't play well last night and hasn't played well all season, he's clearly badly out of form. But if you're going to list a bunch of reasons why every other player deserves the benefit of the doubt, you should do the same for Cannon.

 

[TJ blade]

I am baffled how he can be a better option than Marsh, Beattie or One.

If it's that they're lightweight, I've got news for you.
If it's that they'll be ineffectual, I've got news for you.
If it's that they're unlikely to be a goal threat, I've got news for you.
If it's that they're likely to look at least 3 leagues out of their depth... you get the gist

Its because he cost a lot of money mate ( as we all know) the manager and staff are just trying to justify it sadly

 

[AWetFlannel]

Its because he cost a lot of money mate ( as we all know) the manager and staff are just trying to justify it sadly

How many Championship goals does Marsh have? How many did he get in his loan spells in league 2? Might that be the reason?

Compare the results to Cannon's goals at Preston and Stoke. That's why.

 

[Barnette]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what his reasons are for not trying to contribute to my team - he should not be played - no player is bigger than the club ,
But that's how Cannon is being treated by Wilder ,
And that's mystifying , if Wilder loves the club.

Wilder has to get the best out of the squad that he has. Campbell/Ings will not be fit enough to play all the matches. Wilder brought Cannon in and will be supporting him as he should as his boss. Cannon clearly isn't enjoying his time here and is low on confidence. He's a kid and he's human. We all go through phases of our lives when we don't give our best in a job for various reasons. I know I did when I wasn't happy in one. I reckon Cannon will leave at some point soon - and either way, as a player or an asset, its in everyone's interest to get him back to the form he showed earlier in his career.

The best thing we could do as fans is get off his back - to support him/Wilder and hopefully get more out of him than we are at the moment. I would love to think that could happen. But social media being what it is - I suspect it won't.

 

[TJ blade]

How many Championship goals does Marsh have? How many did he get in his loan spells in league 2? Might that be the reason?

Compare the results to Cannon's goals at Preston and Stoke. That's why.

Doesn't make any difference whatsoever about Marsh & his past performances, the topic is Cannon, he keeps getting in the side! It's like playing with 10 men his contribution or lack of it keeps, haunting the team!

 

[AWetFlannel]

Doesn't make any difference whatsoever about Marsh & his past performances, the topic is Cannon, he keeps getting in the side! It's like playing with 10 men his contribution or lack of it keeps, haunting the team!

You said the only reason that Cannon plays instead of Marsh, One and Beattie is that he costs a lot of money.

You're ignoring his record at this level, and the non-record of those young players that should be out on loan.

 

[coolasanidiot]

He's like a weak 13 year old playing with a load of blokes. It is indeed like playing with 10. The bigger picture must be seen, yes his value will drop like a stone, but that's it enough is enough he mustn't ever start again. 2 Up 5 mins to go - on he pops - no more for me.

 

[mattbianco1]

Kieffer Moore had his limitations; he ran like he was running through treacle at times

He doesn't look like that this season.

Is it down to our style of play why so many good strikers (pre-us) fail at the lane ?

Mcburnie. Brewster. Moore. Cannon. Robinson

 

[Koh Samui Blade]

Is Ogbene any Better?
Just the fact that he tackles, challenges, runs with th ball, occasionally puts decent crosses in ( which Cannon gets nowhere near), has shots on target and tracks back, tells me he is

 

[Slim Man]

How many Championship goals does Marsh have? How many did he get in his loan spells in league 2? Might that be the reason?

Compare the results to Cannon's goals at Preston and Stoke. That's why.

Yet he's got the same amount of goals for us

 

[Slim Man]

He doesn't look like that this season.

Is it down to our style of play why so many good strikers (pre-us) fail at the lane ?

Mcburnie. Brewster. Moore. Cannon. Robinson

I'd argue McBurnie didn't fail in the end. His partnership with Ndiaye in the promotion season was the biggest highlight of the season.

Brewster had horrific luck with injuries here, and hardly had the longest career before us so to say he was 'good' is pushing it

Robinson? As in, Callum Robinson? He wasn't a striker he was a left winger when he bought him

All this to justify Cannon's lack of effort is funny as fuck is he paying you off?

 

[Slim Man]

You really are a nasty person aren't you?
As you often say you are entitled to your opinion but if anyone disagrees you just come out with your pathetic abuse/language.
We are not apologists we just have a different opinion and are trying to look for a reason for his poor form.

Nasty? Jesus dont tell the teacher. You're a sensitive soul.

I simply can't stand Tom Cannon because I have had to endure his performances and frankly his lack of effort for this club. It's really that simple.

He's down there with Hammond, Woolford et al for me.

 

[Keen Blade]

O'Hare is more tenacious than most players we've ever had, not sure that's a fair point of comparison.

O'Hare's tenacity is something for which any Wilder player should be striving , as a bare minimum

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

O'Hare is more tenacious than most players we've ever had, not sure that's a fair point of comparison.

That's the WHOLE point. Cannon should be more tenacious. He doesn't look like he even wants the ball at the moment. Supporters can forgive most things but not lack of effort.

 

[Keen Blade]

Wilder has to get the best out of the squad that he has. Campbell/Ings will not be fit enough to play all the matches. Wilder brought Cannon in and will be supporting him as he should as his boss. Cannon clearly isn't enjoying his time here and is low on confidence. He's a kid and he's human. We all go through phases of our lives when we don't give our best in a job for various reasons. I know I did when I wasn't happy in one. I reckon Cannon will leave at some point soon - and either way, as a player or an asset, its in everyone's interest to get him back to the form he showed earlier in his career.

The best thing we could do as fans is get off his back - to support him/Wilder and hopefully get more out of him than we are at the moment. I would love to think that could happen. But social media being what it is - I suspect it won't.

Footballers earn big money precisely because it's an utterly unforgiving industry and they perform In front of demanding fans.

If it's too hot for you , get out of the kitchen.

Get a job like mine was , public sector , plenty of stress , very modest salary , and virtually no thanks.

 

[Slim Man]

The best thing we could do as fans is get off his back - to support him/Wilder and hopefully get more out of him than we are at the moment. I would love to think that could happen. But social media being what it is - I suspect it won't.

I haven't got a clue what you want the fans to do?

At the ground there might be mumbles and grumbles when he does something wank (again) or more often nothing (again)

But he hasn't been remotely booed or jeered like Sissoko got from Watford fans last week when he got subbed last week. And you could argue his lack of effort is certainly deserving.

I'll always keep my powder dry in the ground, but this place is fair game to say what you think. And if he's reading this after his performances then he's even thicker than his footballing intelligence on the pitch makes him seem.

 

[S74Blade]

I feel a bit for the lad. Nobody wants to be this bad at their trade. But at the moment I cannot see one thing that he is doing well.

Hard to see it turning around for him as things stand. If we can get a couple of strikers in January, then the best thing all round would be to get him a league 1 loan.

What precisely has One done wrong by the way, if he can't even get in the squad? Or is he injured.

I actually want him to do really well, who wouldn’t but, he just does not fit in to our team. He looks like he hasn’t got a clue and needs to move on for his own benefit!!

 

[AWetFlannel]

That's the WHOLE point. Cannon should be more tenacious. He doesn't look like he even wants the ball at the moment. Supporters can forgive most things but not lack of effort.

It's an attribute, not something you can just decide to be. It's as stupid as saying every player should be good with both feet, or every player should stay switched on.

You're conflating lack of tenacity with lack of effort and lock of confidence. They're all different things, he's putting in plenty of effort and he can't just decide to be confident.

 

[Slim Man]

"You've even got Carl Asaba laying into him like he's a scapegoat and somehow he's being made a scapegoat?!?!?!?"

He wasn't laying into him because he's a scapegoat.

He was laying into him because he's wank

 

[Slim Man]

It's an attribute, not something you can just decide to be. It's as stupid as saying every player should be good with both feet, or every player should stay switched on.

You're conflating lack of tenacity with lack of effort and lock of confidence. They're all different things, he's putting in plenty of effort and he can't just decide to be confident.

Give me some examples of this 'effort' he's putting in because me and everyone else on this thread simply can't see it.

Maybe you view the game at a different level to everyone else. Were you on the Tom Cannon scouting project by any chance?

 

[AWetFlannel]

Give me some examples of this 'effort' he's putting in because me and everyone else on this thread simply can't see it.

Maybe you view the game at a different level to everyone else. Were you on the Tom Cannon scouting project by any chance?

It's very hard to see which players are putting effort in, very often people get it wrong.

It looked like he was putting effort in to me because he pressed a lot, sometimes even going on his own, which shows desire despite being tactically naive.

 

[Slim Man]

It's very hard to see which players are putting effort in, very often people get it wrong.

It looked like he was putting effort in to me because he pressed a lot, sometimes even going on his own, which shows desire despite being tactically naive.

You're confusing ambling with effort.

There were chances he could have effectively pressed and won the ball if he sprinted. He didn't.

Do you know how many tackles he's made in his Sheffield United career?

 

[AWetFlannel]

You're confusing ambling with effort.

There were chances he could have effectively pressed and won the ball if he sprinted. He didn't.

And we couldn't find 100 examples of Campbell doing that this season, could we?

When a player becomes a scapegoat, the confirmation bias is crazy. Fans watch them carefully, clocking every mistake in their memory and forgetting everything they do well. We've seen the same with Robinson, Lundstram, Courts etc.

Do you know how many tackles he's made in his Sheffield United career?

No. He's not played well during his time at Sheffield United. He probably wasn't a prolific tackler at the Championship clubs he performed well at.

 

[MayorOJC]

Hope this is a case where the board makes an executive decision to offer him to Stoke for a loss. They're on the edge of the play-offs and their main CF is an inconsistent loan player. Can get a solid upgrade on Cannon for £2-£3m.

 

[Slim Man]

And we couldn't find 100 examples of Campbell doing that this season, could we?

When a player becomes a scapegoat, the confirmation bias is crazy. Fans watch them carefully, clocking every mistake in their memory and forgetting everything they do well. We've seen the same with Robinson, Lundstram, Courts etc.

No. He's not played well during his time at Sheffield United. He probably wasn't a prolific tackler at the Championship clubs he performed well at.

We can find plenty of examples of Campbell doing that. But he's got credit in the bank and he's scored 3 this season already.

Cannon can't hold a candle to Tyrese and the fact you've brought him up at all just completely invalidates any points(?) you were trying to make

He's not a scapegoat, he's just shit
Not every 'scapegoat' is a good player who's misunderstood, some are just shit

 

[Stretch]

I actually want him to do really well, who wouldn’t but, he just does not fit in to our team. He looks like he hasn’t got a clue and needs to move on for his own benefit!!

I agree mate. Not sure I recall seeing a player look so out of sorts, and frankly lost in relation to the game being played around him. At the least he needs a break from the squad and some time in the U21s. We can then asses in January, but I am not hopeful.

One really should be ahead of him on current form. And he offers a better option anyway due to his physicality.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

It's an attribute, not something you can just decide to be. It's as stupid as saying every player should be good with both feet, or every player should stay switched on.

You're conflating lack of tenacity with lack of effort and lock of confidence. They're all different things, he's putting in plenty of effort and he can't just decide to be confident.

I disagree.

 

[Bladesman]

Look, I'm a soft, lefty, liberal who is fully on board with not bullying people - but the reason that Tom Cannon riles supporters isn't because he's having a bad patch of form or luck ala Didzy in the 19/20 season.
Its because he's nesh - doesn't try and back out of challenges.

I think Blades fans can of course like any other club be hot-headed and rash in making their minds up on certain players - but in my experience the only thing that raises this level of ire is when a player looks disinterested and cowardly.

I tried to explain why I give a toss about the Blades to my football hating wife, and the best I could sum it up is that you make an emotional investment in a team in the same way you might invest in anything - hoping that you'll get a return, in the form of happiness, or at least satisfaction.

Tom Cannon is being paid most people's yearly salaries a week and appears at best workshy, and at worst totally disinterested - he's tanking our emotional investment.
So he's bound to get pelters, and I can't make a very sound argument for why he shouldn't

Even Asaba can see it and it seems like he didn't hold back last night. I think if a fellow pro can see another pro appearing to phone it in then that says it all.

 

[Rodley]

We’re shorthanded until January with TC struggling to get back fit and sharp and Ings still getting up to speed. I’m not sure where One is but he’s not featured in the first XI nor 21s so presumably injured? We’ll keep seeing Cannon until we get more in in January.

We know he’s not at the level, but it’s where we are at whilst we’re grappling with injuries and short on numbers.