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Grizzly blade said:
Jesus....it's like knitting fog.....you clearly don't know.

So every footballer with natural ability will make it in the game then....or of course you could just be a bit slow or dumb on purpose.

Take 10 lads at an academy age group....I will use the club my son is at as an example.
ALL have natural ability, but one is quick and another can just run and run all day. Out of the 10 how many get taken on....2 and the rest released.
These two aren't incredibly talented, and indeed one other lad could put the ball in the net for fun, just couldn't keep up as he was not quick enough. They will be on youth deals for the next 2 years and develop tactically while they also get the further physical training. Other kids come from other clubs...one this season from Wolves I think is very quick....but his feet are all over and tactically he's no idea. But there's something to work with so he got a deal.

Furthermore, as part of their assessments during the season, all lads are fitness tested 6 times. Speed, agility, stamina are all graded and assessed against expected levels. Those results are crucial in deciding suitability for youth contracts. Luckily my son is at the top of his age group, a natural athlete.

Until you have experienced the athleticism of a pro footballer first hand, you have no clue how far ahead they are of a normal very fit man. I did 2 weeks ago playing with a current Leeds pro...20 years old. Apart from touch what set him apart was his speed over a few yards..,that explosive power and strength. It's another level.
As an aside....he drove off in a brand new 40k merc!
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Fitness is a very important part of the game, not disputing that. What I am disputing is the premise that you can teach an athlete how to have natural footballing ability, because that is clearly total and utter bollocks. What is possible on the other hand, is taking a natural footballer, and training up his fitness levels. It's not easy, but it's a damn sight easier than it is to coach natural footballing ability into an athlete.
 
So you will ignore the experience of a legend in the game, ignore my first hand experience and claim to be right.

Tit personified.

You are wrong. You cannot turn everyone into Usain Bolt....Steve Cram or anyone else for that matter.
The point is....a little bit of talent is the norm. It's a given. What sets the pros apart is that they are athletes, and not everyone no matter how talented they are can be is an athlete.
He's saying given a choice....little talent but athlete or Loads of talent but not he would take the former.

Not arguing any more with you, he knows his stuff, you don't.
 
I know a lad at Aberdeen....his average weekly wage is well over 5k! He's 22 FFS, and fringes of the team these days!
 
Grizzly blade said:
So you will ignore the experience of a legend in the game, ignore my first hand experience and claim to be right.

Tit personified.

You are wrong. You cannot turn everyone into Usain Bolt....Steve Cram or anyone else for that matter.
The point is....a little bit of talent is the norm. It's a given. What sets the pros apart is that they are athletes, and not everyone no matter how talented they are can be is an athlete.
He's saying given a choice....little talent but athlete or Loads of talent but not he would take the former.

Not arguing any more with you, he knows his stuff, you don't.
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Ok let's get a bit more information to go off shall we?

At your sons next training session, go up to as many coaches as you can find and ask them this question:

In your opinion, is it easier to take a naturally gifted footballer and coach his fitness, or is it easier to take an athlete, whose fitness levels are already good, and coach him natural footballing ability?

This question is based on your initial proposal btw.

Write it down if you wish and take it to them. Come back to me with what they say.
 
Grizzly blade said:
I know a lad at Aberdeen....his average weekly wage is well over 5k! He's 22 FFS, and fringes of the team these days!
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If he does sign he's going into their U21s/development squad. Everton are tight with wages as it is but I can't imagine anyone in that squad being on more than £4/5k
 
Grizzly blade said:
So if this is the case, and all our academy is good for is producing players for the first team that aren't quite up to getting us up, while also producing potentially very good players and selling them before they prove to have the ability to get us up then what is the point of having an academy at costs millions a year to run?

So far, the sale of the Kyles, Maguire and now looking like DCL has barely covered the build costs of the academy, never mind the running of it. We may as well give the job up if we are going to take this stance every time someone waves a few quid at one of our kids.
As for DCL kicking up a stink....the club telling him to knuckle down and make the first team would send a good message to the rest. You have a contract, earn a better one.
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The academy has made a profit as things stand, this was confirmed by KM at the fans' forum.Agree with all your other points, especially when we're repeatedly told that we are going to build a side made up of our best academy lads.
 
The trick nowadays is to keep an eye on all the Premiership academies and make sure you sign those who have been trained by top coaches for a few years but let go. Because they let a lot of them go.
 
Barney said:
Fitness is a very important part of the game, not disputing that. What I am disputing is the premise that you can teach an athlete how to have natural footballing ability, because that is clearly total and utter bollocks. What is possible on the other hand, is taking a natural footballer, and training up his fitness levels. It's not easy, but it's a damn sight easier than it is to coach natural footballing ability into an athlete.
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Barney said:
Ok let's get a bit more information to go off shall we?

At your sons next training session, go up to as many coaches as you can find and ask them this question:

In your opinion, is it easier to take a naturally gifted footballer and coach his fitness, or is it easier to take an athlete, whose fitness levels are already good, and coach him natural footballing ability?

This question is based on your initial proposal btw.

Write it down if you wish and take it to them. Come back to me with what they say.
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Don't need to, I know it's the case. Discussed at length with the Academy manager, U/21 coach and also the first team manager at the reserve game my lad sat on the bench. Discussed because they were explaining why my lad was there for him to experience first hand the difference in speed, strength and aggression in the next level up.

You see, you think fitness is athleticism. It's completely different. And there in that one sentence is the error in your argument. nowhere did I say you can teach natural football ability, you can coach tactics and hone what talent someone has.
Hence why you can make an athlete a footballer, but not the other way around.

I assume you know who Dario Grady is?
 
Grizzly blade said:
Don't need to, I know it's the case.
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Well you can't be that adamant then, can you?

I'm just surprised someone who is as involved with football as much as you profess to be can be so misinformed, and know as little as you do about the basics of the game.
 
Barney said:
Well you can't be that adamant then, can you?

I'm just surprised someone who is as involved with football as much as you profess to be can be so misinformed, and know as little as you do about the basics of the game.
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Hahaha! Stop it Barney. This is getting embarrassing even by your standards.
 
Can't be more adamant than not wasting my time asking stupid questions from a bloke who hasn't a fucking clue?

Funny....I could swear that it is exactly that.

So now....let me just get this right....Dario Grady, The Academy manager, U/21 coach and first team manager as well as me know not what they are talking about.
Hmmmm...ok...if you say so! :D
And all because you don't know the difference between fitness and athleticism. Dearly me.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Hahaha! Stop it Barney. This is getting embarrassing even by your standards.
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I'm not the one claiming it's easier to teach an athlete how to have natural footballing ability, than it is for a naturally gifted footballer to be coached and trained in his fitness.

Had to put down my cuppa reading that, Christ almighty.
 

Barney said:
I know that it's easier to train a naturally gifted footballer into an athlete, than it is to teach an athlete how to have natural footballing ability, yes I do.
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Kevin Keegan would argue that if your prepared to work hard a dufus like he was could be successful
he was the first to admit he had very little natural talent and it was his drive that made him a success

De Geralamo had bucket loads of ball skills but a cant do attitude
 
nd future readers of your posts should be aware of
Sunjihi said:
DCL having a medical at Everton as we speak fee agreed
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you know sweet f.a.......future readers of this dicks post be aware..............knows nowt
 
Grizzly blade said:
Hang on dopey....you are the one who put natural football ability in there.
I never said you can teach natural football ability....so you twist things around as well.

Are you the same plonker as that Len chap on Bladesmad....he's a bloody twat as well.
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Says the Einstein who can't even work out how to use the quote button.

And to quote Dario Grady...give me a footballer I can't make em an athlete...however give me an athlete I will make you a footballer
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This is what you claimed. Are you saying this doesn't include natural footballing ability now?
 
I don't know whether DCL will turn into a star or not, but wish him good luck

However, whilst it's a classic case of needs must, it does make a mockery of all this spouted bollox about using our academy players, if all we're gonna do is flog them as soon as the first sign of interest is shown after they get near the first team
 
robbiez666 said:
The trick nowadays is to keep an eye on all the Premiership academies and make sure you sign those who have been trained by top coaches for a few years but let go. Because they let a lot of them go.
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I think it's a lottery really, but the top teams don't miss many, some are let go because they have the wrong attitude and work ethic, meaning they fail to fulfill early promise.
However, on the other hand, some lads are late developers or mature a little later than their peers, but for everyone of them, I reckon there are 50 John Cofies /Jasper Johns. :confused:
 
Blade58 said:
I don't know whether DCL will turn into a star or not, but wish him good luck

However, whilst it's a classic case of needs must, it does make a mockery of all this spouted bollox about using our academy players, if all we're gonna do is flog them as soon as the first sign of interest is shown after they get near the first team
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Good post but if the manager himself doesn't rate the player there really is no reason or need to keep him.

I know from a very good source that DCL has and does work very hard to get to where he has, on this premise alone I hope he has a good career and gets what he wants out of the game whether that be with us or without us. At this moment in time I couldn't give two hoots either way but he does have some natural raw attributes that could flourish sometime in the future. The problem is, as a club we don't have that long to find out, we need out of this league sharpish due to the money Championship clubs are getting and the fee we get could be spent on more pressing areas for this season. I suppose I'm 50/50 on this one.
 
wizadry said:
Good post but if the manager himself doesn't rate the player there really is no reason or need to keep him.

I know from a very good source that DCL has and does work very hard to get to where he has, on this premise alone I hope he has a good career and gets what he wants out of the game whether that be with us or without us. At this moment in time I couldn't give two hoots either way but he does have some natural raw attributes that could flourish sometime in the future. The problem is, as a club we don't have that long to find out, we need out of this league sharpish due to the money Championship clubs are getting and the fee we get could be spent on more pressing areas for this season. I suppose I'm 50/50 on this one.
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Same with me, I would prefer DCL to signing a player like Clarke especially as I consider our attack to already have more than enough, HOWEVER if this is the way of bringing in McFadzean for 500k then I think I am taking it
 
Exactly that...attitude is a huge aspect.

I saw a lad who had been released by the pigs....got a trial at my lads team.
After 2 minutes the academy manager had made his mind up on him because he did t want to run and work hard. He wanted to sub him there and then but was persuaded to wait til half time.

He couldn't believe the lad had been given a chance, and he'd turned up unfit....not injured but unfit as he hadn't bothered doing any exercise in the 3/4 weeks since his release and couldn't even be arsed to run and work hard.
got subbed after half hour and told there and then in no uncertain terms what he thought of his efforts.
 

wizadry said:
Good post but if the manager himself doesn't rate the player there really is no reason or need to keep him.

I know from a very good source that DCL has and does work very hard to get to where he has, on this premise alone I hope he has a good career and gets what he wants out of the game whether that be with us or without us. At this moment in time I couldn't give two hoots either way but he does have some natural raw attributes that could flourish sometime in the future. The problem is, as a club we don't have that long to find out, we need out of this league sharpish due to the money Championship clubs are getting and the fee we get could be spent on more pressing areas for this season. I suppose I'm 50/50 on this one.
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I agree with your post Wizadry, but it seems like CW does rate the player, although I acknowledge that he can't really say otherwise and I suppose towing the party line for the sake of the club, players and harmony is a given as far as McCabe is concerned.


http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...-to-see-kids-coveted-by-other-clubs-1-7998757


Reading that article, I would guess Adams wont be far behind DCL out the door either
 
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