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“Football is a simple game complicated
by idiots”….old big ed.

Can keepers get blue cards?
Who goes in the net if they do?
Is 2 blues a sending off?
How many players can get blue carded in one incident or in one game from the same side or opposing sides?
Are cards checked by VAR? Aaaaaaaagh!
How many blue cards can one player receive before he gets a game ban?
Can you get treated for an injury whilst sinning?
Who decides if an injury whilst sinning is genuine?
Is anyone allowed to talk to you … like the manager, whilst sinning?
If you get a card in the first half with a minute left
do you wait 9 mins in the bin before you can come on in the second half?
And finally can we dig up Ted Rodger’s to explain the rules in the form of really wank clues?
 

Mumbo said:
“Football is a simple game complicated
by idiots”….old big ed.

Can keepers get blue cards?
Who goes in the net if they do?
Is 2 blues a sending off?
How many players can get blue carded in one incident or in one game from the same side or opposing sides?
Are cards checked by VAR? Aaaaaaaagh!
How many blue cards can one player receive before he gets a game ban?
Can you get treated for an injury whilst sinning?
Who decides if an injury whilst sinning is genuine?
Is anyone allowed to talk to you … like the manager, whilst sinning?
If you get a card in the first half with a minute left
do you wait 9 mins in the bin before you can come on in the second half?
And finally can we dig up Ted Rodger’s to explain the rules in the form of really wank clues?
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was’nt big head it was Shankly apparently
 
loveWalrusDaveTheBlade said:
No, football is not perfect, but the rules don’t need changing - they need to be enforced properly. Dissent is a yellow card. Time wasting is a yellow card. Feigning injury is a yellow card. Diving is a yellow card. Start dishing them out, and players will soon stop doing it.
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That’s change is it not? Enforcing the rules properly would be a change.

The problem is, if the refs started giving yellow cards for all acts of dissent then there were be managers, pundits and fans moaning that it’s ruining the game.

Basically, whatever happens in football, someone will moan!
 
loveWalrusDaveTheBlade said:
No, football is not perfect, but the rules don’t need changing - they need to be enforced properly. Dissent is a yellow card. Time wasting is a yellow card. Feigning injury is a yellow card. Diving is a yellow card. Start dishing them out, and players will soon stop doing it.
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The point is that a yellow card in itself is no deterrent for two reasons - firstly because the infringed against team has no immediate advantage, and secondly because referees have an inbuilt inconsistency where they will not give a second yellow for plenty of stuff which they would give a first yellow for in order for it to be a deterrent (and you can guarantee that all the people in this thread would be the first to moan "too many red cards ruining the game" if they were consistent). As far as I'm concerned, what is being proposed is just a yellow card offence with an additional sin bin element where the offence is not something that's normally part of the game and is cynical cheating, and they're just proposing a different colour for the sake of clarity and nothing more

Edit - back in the day they didn't even have cards at all, did people moan then when they were introduced?
 
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jt64 said:
The point is that a yellow card in itself is no deterrent for two reasons - firstly because the infringed against team has no immediate advantage, and secondly because referees have an inbuilt inconsistency where they will not give a second yellow for plenty of stuff which they would give a first yellow for in order for it to be a deterrent (and you can guarantee that all the people in this thread would be the first to moan "too many red cards ruining the game" if they were consistent). As far as I'm concerned, what is being proposed is just a yellow card offence with an additional sin bin element where the offence is not something that's normally part of the game and is cynical cheating, and they're just proposing a different colour for the sake of clarity and nothing more

Edit - back in the day they didn't even have cards at all, did people moan then when they were introduced?
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What happens if GK gets one?
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
What happens if GK gets one?
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That is a very good question - I would guess the most sensible thing to do would be similar to what rugby does when a front row forward is binned or is having a HIA etc, they temporarily sub off another player and bring on the specialist
 
jt64 said:
The point is that a yellow card in itself is no deterrent for two reasons - firstly because the infringed against team has no immediate advantage, and secondly because referees have an inbuilt inconsistency where they will not give a second yellow for plenty of stuff which they would give a first yellow for in order for it to be a deterrent (and you can guarantee that all the people in this thread would be the first to moan "too many red cards ruining the game" if they were consistent). As far as I'm concerned, what is being proposed is just a yellow card offence with an additional sin bin element where the offence is not something that's normally part of the game and is cynical cheating, and they're just proposing a different colour for the sake of clarity and nothing more
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The point is that a yellow card is an effective deterrent under the rules of the game, because a second similar offence should result in a sending off, with immediate disadvantage to the offending team, and the further disadvantage of suspension in the following game. The issue is that the refs don’t have the bottle to do their jobs properly. It’s the behaviour of the referees that needs to be addressed, not the rules of the game.
Diving, feigning injury, time wasting and dissent are all conscious decisions made by footballers in an attempt to cheat. If they were properly and consistently penalised under the existing rules of the game, players would choose ( or be instructed by their managers) not to do it, because it would carry the penalty intended under the rules of the game, and thus disadvantage the team.
If we go down the route of sin binning, then all we will see are teams shithousing for Britain until the ten minute penalty period is up. How does that improve the sporting spectacle?
 
loveWalrusDaveTheBlade said:
The point is that a yellow card is an effective deterrent under the rules of the game, because a second similar offence should result in a sending off, with immediate disadvantage to the offending team, and the further disadvantage of suspension in the following game. The issue is that the refs don’t have the bottle to do their jobs properly. It’s the behaviour of the referees that needs to be addressed, not the rules of the game.
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I don't disagree with that in the slightest. I'm just pointing out that if referees do their job properly, that the bulk of people complaining about what is being proposed to crack down on something we all want cracking down on, would then have something different to have a moan about. Can you imagine the reaction if two minutes in a ref books Anel for a challenge he would have booked him for 80 minutes in but wasn't going to because "gauging pace of the game" in the status quo, then five minutes later Anel conceded a pen for a foul that is given 100% of the time in the centre circle, but the status quo is not to give a pen because "not enough for a pen" and he is sent off? It's what you and I would want to see happen, but the forum would crash
 
jt64 said:
I don't disagree with that in the slightest. I'm just pointing out that if referees do their job properly, that the bulk of people complaining about what is being proposed to crack down on something we all want cracking down on, would then have something different to have a moan about. Can you imagine the reaction if two minutes in a ref books Anel for a challenge he would have booked him for 80 minutes in but wasn't going to because "gauging pace of the game" in the status quo, then five minutes later Anel conceded a pen for a foul that is given 100% of the time in the centre circle, but the status quo is not to give a pen because "not enough for a pen" and he is sent off? It's what you and I would want to see happen, but the forum would crash
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It’s very true, but it’s a price worth paying.
You will never stop people from moaning on this forum, nor would I want to try to do so. For a few, it’s a seemingly full time hobby that they have perfected into something close to an art form, and they clearly derive enjoyment from it. For very many ( me included), the forum is a valuable portal through which to vent our frustrations from time to time, from the important to the trivial ( cardboard beer cups in my case 😂😂). Better that people use that route to let off steam than take it out on the players or the people around them at the game, or the cat.
I can choose to ignore people moaning on here if I want to. I can’t ignore players rolling around in apparent agony only to get up a moment later and sprint after the ball, or Van Dyke and his mates refereeing the match by proxy, or people falling over and holding their heads in order to get the game stopped. Football needs sorting out before it’s ruined completely as a live spectacle.
 
Any goal celebration that doesn't include dancing should get a blue.
 
Referees don't apply the letter of the law consistently because they are not backed up by the powers.

Nigel Owens once said something along the lines of "If I refereed a Premier League game like I referee rugby, they'd be playing 8-a-side within 10 minutes"

If he did, the FA and PL wouldn't commend him, they'd demote him, even if he was applying the rules.

They're just shit scared of the big club influence. Ferguson has a lot to answer for. Fuck them. A policy of applying the rules properly and the promise that it would always be like that would concentrate a few minds.

We'd have a weekend of carnage with cards everywhere. It'd soon settle down.
 
YES Blade said:
I’m all for trying new rules to improve the game, most of the things that annoy me about the game (diving, fake injuries, time wasting etc.) are a result of the lawmakers allowing this behaviour to happen. In fact, it’s now become something which all teams have to do because if they don’t it will put them at a disadvantage.
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Me too, but the initiatives to stop it i.e bookings for dissent or surrounding the ref weren’t maintained. The reason there is no behaviour like this in say rugby is because there is a zero tolerance policy. If players were regularly carded and sent off it would disappear. My pet issue is “professional fouls”. Pundits regularly congratulate players saying “it had to be done”. No it doesn’t - I don’t give a stuff about last man or goal scoring opportunities, it’s cheating so send them off.
 
CornwallBlade said:
Me too, but the initiatives to stop it i.e bookings for dissent or surrounding the ref weren’t maintained. The reason there is no behaviour like this in say rugby is because there is a zero tolerance policy. If players were regularly carded and sent off it would disappear. My pet issue is “professional fouls”. Pundits regularly congratulate players saying “it had to be done”. No it doesn’t - I don’t give a stuff about last man or goal scoring opportunities, it’s cheating so send them off.
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I definitely think the blue card is worth a try, it’ll be interesting to see what happens in the trials.

Those professional fouls are a good example of where the blue card could work well. They aren’t worthy of a red but a yellow isn’t harsh enough.
 

Just something else for the officials to fuck up and distract the pundits from talking about the actual football.

They should be focusing their energies on making the officials more consistent in their decisions and fixing VAR, rather than introducing more complexity and confusion.

The sport is run by morons.
 
If policing dissent is the reason for the 'sin bin' then adopting a different ice hockey rule might be a bit less radical but have a similar impact.

Paint a small semi circle on the half way line opposite the dug outs. When the referee stands in his crease only the captains can speak to him, anyone else speaking to the referee gets a yellow card, referee subsequently puts his arm in the air the players including the captains take up their kick off positions.

Might save endless MOTD 'analysis' post utilisation....
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68246971

The Premier League has already ruled out being part of the initial roll-out of any trial, while football's world governing body Fifa said "reports of the so-called 'blue card' at elite levels of football are incorrect and premature".

Fucking so-called fucking blue cards, it’s a fucking piece of fucking card that’s fucking blue, what else are they going to fucking call it.

Fucking use em, fucking don’t use em, I couldn’t give a fuck, but for fucks sake just call em blue cards.

These are the absolute spunk wipes that are controlling our game, twats.
 
Just another way to protect the top teams.
Don't want to be sending off Erling he can have a 10 minute time out instead.
Won't change anything if its McBurnie.
 
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