Block G Kop idiots

[Houston_Blade]

In my overseas experience, that is a great way of organising & choreographing an atmosphere. IMHO better than using the PA like we do at The Lane.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Garyoke is a good method of stirring up the crowd. It has the opposite effect in most cases.

As much as I like seeing a good stand of 'ultras' at an overseas ground it just looks shit and contrived when it's done in English football. The stand at Palace is one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever seen.

 

[MobileBlade]

In my overseas experience, that is a great way of organising & choreographing an atmosphere. IMHO better than using the PA like we do at The Lane.

At the Lane, it is the beginning and end of the game. Those games abroad what I have been to where they do it for best part of 90 minutes ...... never one to encourage violence at football matches

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

At the Lane, it is the beginning and end of the game. Those games abroad what I have been to where they do it for best part of 90 minutes ...... never one to encourage violence at football matches

Sorry. You've lost me. Are we saying the same thing .... that incessant & constant & noisy 90 minute atmosphere CAN be best generated by some organisation & choreography from within the fans themselves.

Rather than the rather formulaic song at the start, song at the end, set up by the PA "thing" we have at The Lane.

Foreign fans would find what we do at The Lane embarrassing & ineffective.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Garyoke is a good method of stirring up the crowd. It has the opposite effect in most cases.

As much as I like seeing a good stand of 'ultras' at an overseas ground it just looks shit and contrived when it's done in English football. The stand at Palace is one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever seen.

Yeah. Well we're done aren't we. I've already said the "don't like that contrived stuff" attitude of many English Fanbases is why we can't have proper atmosphere at league games.

If you're in that bit at Palace (or Boro, or Bristol where the fans are also trying to organise), as I have been, it doesn't feel cringeworthy. It feels like a football game & you wouldn't give two fucks what the opposition fans think...

 

[MobileBlade]

Sorry. You've lost me. Are we saying the same thing .... that incessant & constant & noisy 90 minute atmosphere CAN be best generated by some organisation & choreography from within the fans themselves.

Rather than the rather formulaic song at the start, song at the end, set up by the PA "thing" we have at The Lane.

Foreign fans would find what we do at The Lane embarrassing & ineffective.

No - I am saying someone banging a drum for 90 minutes whilst screaming down a haler is not my idea of being able to watch a football game where the crowd is able to sing a song from time to time!!

 

[Houston_Blade]

Yeah. Well we're done aren't we. I've already said the "don't like that contrived stuff" attitude of many English Fanbases is why we can't have proper atmosphere at league games.

If you're in that bit at Palace (or Boro, or Bristol where the fans are also trying to organise), as I have been, it doesn't feel cringeworthy. It feels like a football game & you wouldn't give two fucks what the opposition fans think...

I know you've already said that, mine is an opposing opinion.

You like it, I don't.

That's how these forums work.

I suppose because you've been there, done it and got the carrier bag you win though and I'm just a knowsnowt in comparison.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I know you've already said that, mine is an opposing opinion.

You like it, I don't.

That's how these forums work.

I suppose because you've been there, done it and got the carrier bag you win though and I'm just a knowsnowt in comparison.

I can keep disagreeing with you, also how these forums work...

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I have a lot of time for the Middlesbrough Ultras, the Red Faction. They have positioned themselves at the other end of the stand to the away fans. So, you don't get any of that pointing, and you've got a fat belly, and see you outside, and I'm going to cut your throat gestures from them. All that fucking posturing, man.
They've gone down the road of supporting their team, by supporting their team. Rather than just hating & singing about the opposition that passes as atmosphere at many English grounds.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I can keep disagreeing with you, also how these forums work...

Correct, at least you'd be respectful about it and have a bit of knowledge behind your opinions, can't be said for a select few posters unfortunately.

In theory I'd love to have a hostile atmosphere like some of the European grounds, I just think that when it happens in this country it ends up coming over like the pig band.
I have vague memories of a drummer at the Lane in the 1990's, that was ok I suppose.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Correct, at least you'd be respectful about it and have a bit of knowledge behind your opinions, can't be said for a select few posters unfortunately.

In theory I'd love to have a hostile atmosphere like some of the European grounds, I just think that when it happens in this country it ends up coming over like the pig band.
I have vague memories of a drummer at the Lane in the 1990's, that was ok I suppose.

Part of the problem with "the band thing" is repertoire. The England Band have about four tunes tops. I was at Italian Serie D a few months back. The Ultras on the Curva had a drum. (And safe Pyro obvs). I really tried to concentrate. And, I'm saying - they sang solidly for 90 minutes & they never sang the same song twice. I prefer just the drum, not the brass, the "conductor" calls it, megaphone if needed, few moments for everyone to gather their thoughts, drummer sets the metronome, everyone in, drummer fades, hairs on your neck tingle, players grow a foot taller & gain a yard of pace...

 

[S64 Blade]

I’d much prefer us to have an ultras style outfit if it meant a better atmosphere. I think the days of organic and disjointed groups making one (big games aside) are long gone.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Mention of the Ultras at Crystal Palace. I get that some people find it cringeworthy. But, I feel it goes with the territory. I've lived in two places in my life for long periods. Sheffield & South London. They are very, very different places. Both with a lot of things going for them. But both with their own, different issues to deal with. South London is cosmopolitan, an ethnic melting pot, and an integrated multi cultural population. I'm going to say, more than Sheffield. It seems inevitable to me that a South London fanbase would either a) retreat in on itself & hunker down, for eg Millwall or b) widen itself and embrace a more overseas & continental approach to supporting their team. That is what the Palace Ultras have done. And it fits the demographic template of that bit of South London & Croydon. Doesn't mean it'd work at The Lane though.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

As early as the 1970s Palace knew they had to reinvent themselves. Out went the claret & blue. In came the Blue & Red. Out went The Glaziers. In came The Eagles. I feel young lads embracing an ersatz Ultra culture is just part of that "constant evolution" of the Terrace Culture there.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

I always thought you went to a football match to watch football, that's why the game has lasted well over 100yrs....
Now apparently its all about either setting people on fire or having a riot .
Some of you lot are following the wrong game all together ,you don't want football you want cage fighting..

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I'm hearing that some.of the longstanding independent fans away coaches are reconsidering who they let on. Moving away from "all comers if there is room" more towards "tried & trusted regulars only". Partly because they are getting pissed off by the behaviour of young 'uns they barely know. Cans on the coach. Bringing mother back to the bus after the game. Shenanigans at Service Station & pub stops. And partly because the coach companies are giving them warnings that they won't be able to hire coaches from them in the future (because of behaviour).

There are these knock on consequences from some of the awayday nonsense.

I’m surprised that “Bringing mother back to the bus” is problematic- I wouldn’t dare do owt naughty if me Mam was about

 

[jt64]

I always thought you went to a football match to watch football, that's why the game has lasted well over 100yrs....

If I wanted to just watch the game, I've got a perfectly good TV that will do that

 

[DaleHillBlade]

On my trips to Germany, Poland and Czech I have enjoyed the fan generated atmosphere. But I was watching football in a different land/culture. Not sure how well that will translate to UK football. Although the Blue Order and Green Brigade do ok.

I do however object to blaring music at grounds here. Maybe I’m just curmudgeonly. And, as is usual, I don’t know what a better alternative.. especially in the tourist traps that so many PL grounds have become. I guess I struggle to condemn football at the higher levels becoming “events” rather than matches. Non league the place for the latter, in its purest form.

 

[robbiez666]

I always thought you went to a football match to watch football, that's why the game has lasted well over 100yrs....
Now apparently its all about either setting people on fire or having a riot .
Some of you lot are following the wrong game all together ,you don't want football you want cage fighting..

I remember being rammed against a fence as a kid when I first started going and it was often like cage fighting!

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Don't worry, It's going to be everybody having to watching it on TV soon, then the big money men will have really won...

Can see it now, a create of beer and all the mates in, sat on the sofa, a whooping and a hollering, at the 12 team international league,
But your going to have to be careful with those smoke bombs, or your Mam will kill you......

 

[Cheesebored]

Can't say it's something I've ever been interested in, why do you ask?

If its about consent should vaping be banned in your opinion. I don't consent to breathing it in every home game in the stands but it's something I put up with. I've definitely inhaled more of other people's vapes than I have pyro.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

I don't mind, I look better with a mask on anyway ,,,,,,,,,

 

[GrunkyPeep]

If its about consent should vaping be banned in your opinion. I don't consent to breathing it in every home game in the stands but it's something I put up with. I've definitely inhaled more of other people's vapes than I have pyro.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, vaping IS banned in the stands.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, vaping IS banned in the stands.

Sshh! Don't think the stewards know about this. Or about the smoking ban either.

 

[Cheesebored]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, vaping IS banned in the stands.

Premier league grounds only based on a quick search. It happens regardless, the same as with cigarette clouds at any given toilet blocks at any ground at ht without my CONSENT. Where's the outcry?

 

[Tarqs]

If I see anyone setting one off near to me, you better believe I'm taking a picture and making a note of their row and probable seat, and then reporting it to the club.

Bunch of fucks, lot of em.

Special mention to the soft twat who threw a can of beer at the away end from the family stand last night, hope they find you and you get what's coming to ya

Against Swansea we (in the Westfield) has a bottle of coke thrown at us. I guess it was meant for the away end but landed at the front of the Westfield in front of an elderly couple who shit themselves.

Fucking cunts they are.

 

[Tarqs]

I know you've already said that, mine is an opposing opinion.

You like it, I don't.

That's how these forums work.

I suppose because you've been there, done it and got the carrier bag you win though and I'm just a knowsnowt in comparison.

You are most definitely not knowsnowt lol

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Premier league grounds only based on a quick search. It happens regardless, the same as with cigarette clouds at any given toilet blocks at any ground at ht without my CONSENT. Where's the outcry?

Glad you're starting to understand the idea of consent. Being forced to endure something that is banned/illegal isn't fun is it?

Do you think it is worth revisiting your previous comment through this lens?

Get your mask back out. Do you ever walk along a main road? Never been to a bonfire or had a BBQ? It's kids having a laugh, get over yourself.

Comes across as a bit flippant when you've just made the exact same argument no?

 

[Cheesebored]

Glad you're starting to understand the idea of consent. Being forced to endure something that is banned/illegal isn't fun is it?

Do you think it is worth revisiting your previous comment through this lens?

Comes across as a bit flippant when you've just made the exact same argument no?

Funny how we view things isn't it. I view it as you validating my point. It's a clear case of double standards.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Funny how we view things isn't it. I view it as you validating my point. It's a clear case of double standards.

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VERY confused as to what your point is tbh. Is it that smoke bombs are "just kids having a laugh" and smoking is bad? Because that's what you've typed out.

Not sure I'd call that double standards, it's usually called whataboutery or straw man.

 

[Cheesebored]

VERY confused as to what your point is tbh. Is it that smoke bombs are "just kids having a laugh" and smoking is bad? Because that's what you've typed out.

Not sure I'd call that double standards, it's usually called whataboutery or straw man.

I'm answering your point about consent. Surely people should be equally outraged about all three, no?