Blades fans Fighting each other......

[bricktop]

I was sat one row behind you and 2 seats towards the standers. At half time the one with glasses pushed over one of the ones who asked him to sit down.

The moron on our row who when asked to sit down by the people behind him went mad. Screaming abuse at the people behind him, and excused his standing up because he was a Blade who went home and away and he always stood up When asked to sit down again he screamed "I've paid fifty fucking quid for this seat you cunts!" and took more offence when the bloke he was directing his ire at replied with "Well, sit down in it then, we've not paid fifty quid to see the back of your head."

At one point there were several people near us who, looking rather the worse for beer, refused to sit down when asked to by either the people behind them or the stewards. One pissed looking feisty individual was escorted out by the stewards.

Now, there are those who like to stand, but it's 2014 and Wembley is an all seater stadium. And there may be those who standing all match isn't an option any more, for many reasons. Not everyone behind you is a 20-something young chap, full of liquid anaesthetic. Sit the fuck down.

I was sat one row behind you and 2 seats towards the standers. At half time the one with glasses pushed over one of the ones who asked him to sit down.

Never seen that cunt before, i hope i do because i want to ask him if he wants to carry his threat to knock me out, and also see if wants to try and pick on someone who can handle himself instead of the easiest target. His bird is a big fat munter as well

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

See my earlier post, but I reported the incident in block 128, literally 5 minutes after it happened to the nearest police officer. Who said they were simply on a watching brief and couldn't do anything about it.

I took that as, they just didn't give a shit.

They would have only changed your statement to suit their cause.[allegedly]

 

[Darren]

Then presumably those accused and identified would eventually either be found guilty or innocent? I can't see what the problem is.

I assumed that you were saying that if someone says person in seat X committed a crime, that should be enough to ban them. I think you are now agreeing there should be a n investigation and trial before any banning, in which case we are in agreement.

 

[Darren]

See my earlier post, but I reported the incident in block 128, literally 5 minutes after it happened to the nearest police officer. Who said they were simply on a watching brief and couldn't do anything about it.

I took that as, they just didn't give a shit.

If he told you that he was talking bollocks. There is no such thing as a police "watching brief". If a police officer sees a crime being committed or has a crime reported to him, he has a duty to do something about it. You could have got your phone out and said, "could you just repeat that for the record". I suspect he would have done something then.

 

[Samantha]

Just remembered... there were two blokes gobbing at each other a few rows in front - no idea what about. It thankfully stayed at shouting and no more, but the one stood up had to be pulled away by his mate. The one sat down had a Brayford mask on, with Porter sat at the side of him - seemed rather odd to witness!

 

[BusheyBlade]

Noticed this but I am sure others read the 4th post on there.

"Had some god knows who behind me, think they were Chelsea fans as they were banging on about Chelsea, or shouting "go on hull" with London accents."

So not only did they not sell out but they had some Chelsea fans in their end? I guess they will fill their end with Chelsea fans in the final.

Could have thought the same of me if I'd been talking about the Chelsea game going on at the same time. I have no trace on northern in my accent (well, apart from north London)

 

[itsinyerblood]

I assumed that you were saying that if someone says person in seat X committed a crime, that should be enough to ban them. I think you are now agreeing there should be a n investigation and trial before any banning, in which case we are in agreement.

In post #104 I said as much, so due process, as I'd already stated, needs to be seen to be done, including identification and whatever else a defendant is entitled to. For the sake of clarity I'm repeating what I said over 20 posts ago.

 

[alcoblade]

Leave it and move on? Are you for real? The shit bags fighting in the upper tier didn't ruin my day but certainly left a bitter taste my mouth on an otherwise superb day. If I had have been in the block where they were scrapping then it would have ruined my day and I'm sure it ruined it for a good many who were sat nearby. To suggest that we 'leave it and move on' is frankly ludicrous.

That's up to you fella. Feel free to have your day ruined by something that happened elsewhere. I don't share some peoples love of feeling outraged.

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[Darren]

That's up to you fella. Feel free to have your day ruined by something that hatppened elsewhere. I don't share some peoples love of feeling outraged.

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You don't need to feel outraged or feel you had your day ruined to think that people who behave in the way reported need to be sharply reminded that people won't stand for that kind of behaviour.

Thus spake Mary Whitehouse,

 

[Junior Soduko]

If he told you that he was talking bollocks. There is no such thing as a police "watching brief". If a police officer sees a crime being committed or has a crime reported to him, he has a duty to do something about it. You could have got your phone out and said, "could you just repeat that for the record". I suspect he would have done something then.

Now I'm totally fucked off knowing that.

They wonder why they get negative vibes from normal everyday folk, it's because they have twats like this working for them. What a fucking prick.

 

[Darren]

Now I'm totally fucked off knowing that.

They wonder why they get negative vibes from normal everyday folk, it's because they have twats like this working for them. What a fucking prick.

I mean, if the police officer had seen someone stabbing someone could he had just stood by and done nothing as he was only on a "watching brief"?

Police officers swear an oath to uphold the law and to prevent and detect crime. The bloke you spoke to, just couldn't be arsed and told you some utter crap. Another good response would have been "I see officer, I have reported a crime and you refuse to take any action. Just let me take a note of your shoulder number".

 

[Junior Soduko]

I mean, if the police officer had seen someone stabbing someone could he had just stood by and done nothing as he was only on a "watching brief"?

Police officers swear an oath to uphold the law and to prevent and detect crime. The bloke you spoke to, just couldn't be arsed and told you some utter crap. Another good response would have been "I see officer, I have reported a crime and you refuse to take any action. Just let me take a note of your shoulder number".

When you say it like that, i acted like an utter spoon in not pushing him further. I'm by no means a rocket scientist, but I'm not a total and utter clown either, but at the time when a police officer says blah blah blah, I'm inclined to believe them. I shall bare this in mind for any future dealings i have with them.

 

[alcoblade]

You don't need to feel outraged or feel you had your day ruined to think that people who behave in the way reported need to be sharply reminded that people won't stand for that kind of behaviour.

Thus spake Mary Whitehouse,

The day knowledge of a fight somwhere else between strangers leaves a bitter taste in my mouth after a day like yesterday will be the day I question myself, but not now.

And you don't have to look far to find people who really do enjoy being outraged, be it here or not. "ban this" , "ban that" with barely a modicum of fact being offered.

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[Bladesman]

I mean, if the police officer had seen someone stabbing someone could he had just stood by and done nothing as he was only on a "watching brief"?

Police officers swear an oath to uphold the law and to prevent and detect crime. The bloke you spoke to, just couldn't be arsed and told you some utter crap. Another good response would have been "I see officer, I have reported a crime and you refuse to take any action. Just let me take a note of your shoulder number".

The cynic in me reckons their response would be to try and arrest you for something instead.

 

[William Large]

That's up to you fella. Feel free to have your day ruined by something that happened elsewhere. I don't share some peoples love of feeling outraged.

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Feel free to actually read my post and you will see that it DIDNT ruin my day. I had a brilliant day on the whole and am certainly not outraged.
People getting shit faced and swearing non stop in the company of children I come to expect and I'm sure I use choice language myself at times. What is not acceptable is people climbing and jumping over seats to punch, kick, stamp on someone else repeatedly, just because they take umbrage at them not standing up, not chanting, leaving early, not being as big a 'blade' as them.
I supposed it's a matter of opinion, mine is that they are pond life who should be banned from attending football matches as a result of their behaviour. Yours is clearly to turn the other cheek.

 

[alcoblade]

Feel free to actually read my post and you will see that it DIDNT ruin my day. I had a brilliant day on the whole and am certainly not outraged.
People getting shit faced and swearing non stop in the company of children I come to expect and I'm sure I use choice language myself at times. What is not acceptable is people climbing and jumping over seats to punch, kick, stamp on someone else repeatedly, just because they take umbrage at them not standing up, not chanting, leaving early, not being as big a 'blade' as them.
I supposed it's a matter of opinion, mine is that they are pond life who should be banned from attending football matches as a result of their behaviour. Yours is clearly to turn the other cheek.

something that happened away from you between a bunch of strangers, of which you don't know who or why, left a " bitter taste in your mouth", on an absolutely fantastic day. Whatsoever, you want them banning. Is that those who fought back in self defense too? Who were the guilty ones?

Yes, we're very different, but I'm sure we're both happy with that.

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[Darren]

When you say it like that, i acted like an utter spoon in not pushing him further. I'm by no means a rocket scientist, but I'm not a total and utter clown either, but at the time when a police officer says blah blah blah, I'm inclined to believe them. I shall bare this in mind for any future dealings i have with them.

I have been suing the police for 17 years. I don't believe a word they say

Bear in mind that the police cannot do what the hell they like. They are subject to the law as much as anyone else.

 

[Fev-blade]

Was thinking earlier,would this of happened in an old terraced stadium???
Idiots would not persist in standing In front of folk who wanted to sit.
You can choose who you are next to,if you end up with a load of dick heads you just move but you can't do that is all seat stadiums.
Yes there was violence in the 80s etc but did we ever fight our own?

 

[Darren]

something that happened away from you between a bunch of strangers, of which you don't know who or why, left a " bitter taste in your mouth", on an absolutely fantastic day.

Yes, we're very different, but I'm sure we're both happy with that.

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That's not his point is it?

If something bad doesn't directly effect you, the issue is should you just shrug your shoulders or should you want something done about it.

My view is that football supporters generally get treated like shit by the police and other authorities. One of the reasons for this is that there is a minority of idiots who give us all a bad name. If we want to be treated better we should all co-operate in getting the idiots dealt with.

 

[sitwell]

Was thinking earlier,would this of happened in an old terraced stadium???
Idiots would not persist in standing In front of folk who wanted to sit.
You can choose who you are next to,if you end up with a load of dick heads you just move but you can't do that is all seat stadiums.
Yes there was violence in the 80s etc but did we ever fight our own?

Yes

 

[Darren]

Yes

The first ever game I went with with my son was at Norwich in 2000 when he was five (the one where we lost 4-2 after being 2-0 up and Bent was sent off). Two United fans started fighting on the row in front of us and spilled over on to us such that a woman behind us had to lift my son away. On that occassion the police were soon on the scene to nick the blokes.

 

[William Large]

something that happened away from you between a bunch of strangers, of which you don't know who or why, left a " bitter taste in your mouth", on an absolutely fantastic day.

Yes, we're very different, but I'm sure we're both happy with that.

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Exactly that. Seeing drunken arseholes attempting to smash each others head in wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they weren't surrounded by young children, families and other people there to watch a football match.
That I don't know who they are or why they were doing it is irrelevant to me in the context of where they were doing it.

I'm perfectly happy to have a differing opinion to you. Mine is that it is wrong and shouldn't be ignored. Yours is that it should be.

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Was thinking earlier,would this of happened in an old terraced stadium???
Idiots would not persist in standing In front of folk who wanted to sit.
You can choose who you are next to,if you end up with a load of dick heads you just move but you can't do that is all seat stadiums.
Yes there was violence in the 80s etc but did we ever fight our own?

Very valid point...and a strong argument for the return of SAFE standing areas.

 

[cooperblade]

Very valid point...and a strong argument for the return of SAFE standing areas.

Aren't you allocated a space in a safe standing stadium just like you are in an all seater stadium? You just stand it rather than sit in it.

 

[alcoblade]

That's not his point is it?

If something bad doesn't directly effect you, the issue is should you just shrug your shoulders or should you want something done about it.

My view is that football supporters generally get treated like shit by the police and other authorities. One of the reasons for this is that there is a minority of idiots who give us all a bad name. If we want to be treated better we should all co-operate in getting the idiots dealt with.

Those affected by it can take the necessary action, and so they should. Being in the same stadium as it will never leave "a bitter taste in my mouth". People have different sensibilities, I accept. But I can't help but feel ( sadly) amused how some seem to wallow in outrage.

Anyway, that's my bit done here

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[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

The trouble with these games is everybody is all over the shop. No natural segregation like at normal football matches. They should have blocks specifically designated for people who like to stand up every few seconds, drunks and morons.

 

[Bladepicker]

something that happened away from you between a bunch of strangers, of which you don't know who or why, left a " bitter taste in your mouth", on an absolutely fantastic day. Whatsoever, you want them banning. Is that those who fought back in self defense too? Who were the guilty ones?

Yes, we're very different, but I'm sure we're both happy with that.

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It's because those 'strangers' perpetuate to be 'supporters' of our club and it could be me, you or our kids that end up sitting next to them when they next kick off. That's why they should be weeded out and banned - that's why it leaves a bitter taste - some people will have had fantastic day ruined.

If you don't give a shit that this type of behaviour went on yesterday and would rather turn a blind eye to it, says a lot about your moral fibre to me. The fact that you then need to have actively have a go at people complaining about the moronic behaviour seems to me that you are almost vindicating this type of thing going on?

 

[Crouchy]

Those affected by it can take the necessary action, and so they should. Being in the same stadium as it will never leave "a bitter taste in my mouth". People have different sensibilities, I accept. But I can't help but feel ( sadly) amused how some seem to wallow in outrage.

Anyway, that's my bit done here

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People posting here don't appear to be outraged to me. "Fed up with it" seems more apt.

 

[William Large]

I'm certainly not wallowing in outrage but am (sadly) bemused at others 'oh let's just forget about it in case it makes the club look bad' opinion / attitude. As long as it didn't happen to me or mine, let's pretend if didn't happen. Different standards, but life would be boring if we were all the same eh?

 

[Fev-blade]

The trouble with these games is everybody is all over the shop. No natural segregation like at normal football matches. They should have blocks specifically designated for people who like to stand up every few seconds, drunks and morons.

Yes a dedicated nob head section,
Worryingly yesterday I saw many groups of young lads who want to be big hard hooligans and I mean like 15 to 18 year olds just acting like dicks