CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

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Aston max said:
I never thought I'd say this but hecky is very underrated as a coach, I get the feeling he won't throw the new guys in until he's happy they're ready and and understand the system
Souza and Hamer have taken to it like a duck to water still think we need another ATM or 2 and a lefty midfielder
MCB and archer sort the central striker role but we need creativity and a partner for souza
It's the first time in a long while the options for the side are expansive
Is slimane a central midfielder or ATM can't say I've seen enough to make a decision
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ATM is a cash point, or arse to mouth as seen in porn and life?

Surely an attacking midfielder is AM or call me simple. And now you can call me simple because MCB I'm struggling on. McBurnie? Or Midfield centre back?

I think you need to improve your shorthand. Because surely McBurnie would be Oli or McB. Just saying
 
Swannyblade said:
I do worry about our ability to progress the ball from midfield to attack. Our forwards have looked quite isolated so far, but hoping the additions of Hamer and Archer will help us in this area. Give me McAtee as well and I think we're laughing
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Yep - Everton is a huge one for us to demonstrate that we can have quality. These charts not looking great so far!

Struggling to progress ball (through both passing and dribbling)
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...including into the penalty area
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...leading to low volume of high % goal opportunities
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...overall as a result we aren't shooting much and where we do it is further out from goal (at least Gus is good from long range!)

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Not_a_Cheat said:
No. A player signed in the current transfer window cannot be loaned to another premier league side. I don't get these people who don't understand rules. Are you a spammers fan?
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Just get Kia Joorabchian to scribble 'nah, it's all fine, honest', on the back of a fag packet, and it'll be reet.
 
Not_a_Cheat said:
ATM is a cash point, or arse to mouth as seen in porn and life?

Surely an attacking midfielder is AM or call me simple. And now you can call me simple because MCB I'm struggling on. McBurnie? Or Midfield centre back?

I think you need to improve your shorthand. Because surely McBurnie would be Oli or McB. Just saying
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Well aren't you just a fountain of knowledge , is your arrogance in your DNA or part of something lacking in life
 

Dkc said:
We sold him to raise money. It wasn't his decision to leave.
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It was his decision to leave. We sold him because he had a year left on his contract and we didn't want him to go for nothing. He could have signed a new contract and stayed but in not doing so he made it his decision to leave.

Anyway I'm with Stretch on this, I'd have Hamer over Berge every day of the week on ability to impact a game and not go missing. Then factor in Hamer being on a 4 year contract who if we go down will be one of the best in the championship or sold for a lot and Berge who would walk for nothing. Its a no brainer.
 
AWetFlannel said:
Hecky has seemed pretty pissed off with the system, so doubt he'd endorse this.
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I think Hecky probably dreamed that he could recruit Souza & Hamer, retain Berge and have them as a 3

However I think hes aware of the situation enough, it was made clear upon appointment, that we was to be ran on a sustainable model - and we need to spend up top

So when Berge refused to sign an extension (as is his right), and the option to generate the money to buy Hamer who would then be on a long term contract arose, I suspect he accepted it as 'thats football' and cracked on

I think he will be more put out by the Ndaiye situation, for 2 reasons

He had a very good relationship with Ndaiye having brought him through, and was instrumental in persuading him to 'sign'
Ndaiye is unreplaceable, as we have seen, Berge is upgradable

Whilst Hecky doesnt stir the emotions in the same way Wilder could, I think he is a far more level headed manager, who accepts knock backs and protects the players more - hes also a lot more astute in the market, when you consider how UK centric CW was, and how Hecky had these on the pitch
Hamer - Dutch
Traore - Ivorian
Ahmedhodzic - Bosnian
Souza - Brazillian
Osula - Danish
Larouchi - French Algerian

Given the upheaval in the squad, if he keeps us up this season, for me thats a bigger achievement than CW's 1st EPL season
 
i just dont think berge is suited to the british game yes he went for money and left us with a big problem cant forgive him for that but all hes done is swap 1 bottom 6 club for another bottom 6 club and personally i fancy our chances of survival more than burnley company seems to think he can play like city but unfortunately citys squad is about 700m in front of burnleys their gonna take some hammerings this season if they carry on playing like that weve got a much tighter system and a much better chance to stay up
 
FriethBlade said:
It was his decision to leave. We sold him because he had a year left on his contract and we didn't want him to go for nothing. He could have signed a new contract and stayed but in not doing so he made it his decision to leave.

Anyway I'm with Stretch on this, I'd have Hamer over Berge every day of the week on ability to impact a game and not go missing. Then factor in Hamer being on a 4 year contract who if we go down will be one of the best in the championship or sold for a lot and Berge who would walk for nothing. Its a no brainer.
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He signed a contract with our club to stay for five years. He had a year left on that contract and wanted to see it out. We wanted to make some money on him, so told him to sign or get sold.

How that set of facts can be twisted to mean 'it was his decision to leave' is weird imo. If my landlord suddenly doubled my rent and wanted me on a rolling monthly contract and I refused, I'd not be happy with him framing it as 'he made the decision to leave'.
 
steve26272 said:
I think Hecky probably dreamed that he could recruit Souza & Hamer, retain Berge and have them as a 3

However I think hes aware of the situation enough, it was made clear upon appointment, that we was to be ran on a sustainable model - and we need to spend up top

So when Berge refused to sign an extension (as is his right), and the option to generate the money to buy Hamer who would then be on a long term contract arose, I suspect he accepted it as 'thats football' and cracked on

I think he will be more put out by the Ndaiye situation, for 2 reasons

He had a very good relationship with Ndaiye having brought him through, and was instrumental in persuading him to 'sign'
Ndaiye is unreplaceable, as we have seen, Berge is upgradable

Whilst Hecky doesnt stir the emotions in the same way Wilder could, I think he is a far more level headed manager, who accepts knock backs and protects the players more - hes also a lot more astute in the market, when you consider how UK centric CW was, and how Hecky had these on the pitch
Hamer - Dutch
Traore - Ivorian
Ahmedhodzic - Bosnian
Souza - Brazillian
Osula - Danish
Larouchi - French Algerian

Given the upheaval in the squad, if he keeps us up this season, for me thats a bigger achievement than CW's 1st EPL season
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All fine, but labelling people not happy with this window as doom mongers for not trusting in Hecky isn't right. I trust in Hecky, which is why I'm pissed off at what has been done to him/us.
 
AWetFlannel said:
All fine, but labelling people not happy with this window as doom mongers for not trusting in Hecky isn't right. I trust in Hecky, which is why I'm pissed off at what has been done to him/us.
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I actually said - For all the doom mongers that were getting the pills ready when Berge left, trust the system, trust Hecky

Its a tricky one, personally I try to be pragmatic, we knew McAtee & Doyle would go back - no ones fault
Ndaiye got the video completed, then fucked off - can blame him, but he followed his dream, and I cant blame him for that
Berge wanted to stay, which in effect meant no sale value and possibly a Lundstrop, we sell him - seems fair on both sides

Would I have liked our business done sooner, yes of course
Would it have been easier on the ticker if we'd signed Hamer before selling Berge, definitely

However football doesnt work like that
Man City are still trying to fill the Silva & Mahrez gap
Liverpool the Henderson, Firmino, Fabinho, Kieta sales

As much as we would like the window to be linear, if it cant be for Man City & Liverpool, what hope do we stand?
 
AWetFlannel said:
He signed a contract with our club to stay for five years. He had a year left on that contract and wanted to see it out. We wanted to make some money on him, so told him to sign or get sold.

How that set of facts can be twisted to mean 'it was his decision to leave' is weird imo. If my landlord suddenly doubled my rent and wanted me on a rolling monthly contract and I refused, I'd not be happy with him framing it as 'he made the decision to leave'.
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Yeah OK, if that's the case he could have refused to go and see out his contract.

Funnily enough you can't force someone under contract to leave, it would be like my landlord trying to force me out with a year left on my contract, he couldn't unless I chose to leave
 
steve26272 said:
I actually said - For all the doom mongers that were getting the pills ready when Berge left, trust the system, trust Hecky

Its a tricky one, personally I try to be pragmatic, we knew McAtee & Doyle would go back - no ones fault
Ndaiye got the video completed, then fucked off - can blame him, but he followed his dream, and I cant blame him for that
Berge wanted to stay, which in effect meant no sale value and possibly a Lundstrop, we sell him - seems fair on both sides

Would I have liked our business done sooner, yes of course
Would it have been easier on the ticker if we'd signed Hamer before selling Berge, definitely

However football doesnt work like that
Man City are still trying to fill the Silva & Mahrez gap
Liverpool the Henderson, Firmino, Fabinho, Kieta sales

As much as we would like the window to be linear, if it cant be for Man City & Liverpool, what hope do we stand?
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Our owner wants to sell. He tried to sell us to two conmen last year. Given those failures, we had a transfer embargo last season which could've fucked up our season. We've come into this season selling our two best players long before bringing filling the holes in our squad due to the loanees going back.

That is the context. This isn't a normal transfer window for your normal club. Having your manager explain that all his plans have changed and we're having to start playing a new system due to the window is hardly ideal prep, nor is throwing our first three games. Compare that to the situation when Wilder brought us up.

I'm not saying there are evil villains we should hate, I'm not frothing at the mouth. Just annoyed and pessimistic about our prospects as a result.
 
Greg. said:
From their player ratings last game:

Burnley v Aston Villa - Player Ratings -

www.uptheclarets.com www.uptheclarets.com

  • Berge 4 like a slower version of a Tarkowski
  • Berge 6 better in the 2nd half
  • Berge 4- He isn’t a sitting midfielder so why play him as one?
  • Berge - 4 game passed him by first half, slightly better for those 10 mins in the 2nd and then rightly hooked
  • Berge 6 - played further forward today than against City, found himself in some really good positions but wasn’t clinical enough
  • Berge 5. Couple of good runs into space but poor first touch
  • Berge - 4 - thought Dale Stephens was playing....
  • Berge was awful first half, a little better in the second. Have we been sold a dud? Not really seeing any qualities he brings.
  • Berge 7 far better this week
  • Berge 5 - really struggled first half. A bit better at the start of the second half before being pulled. Needs to play further forward.
  • Berge - 5 - the idea of him playing as some sort on inside forward needs a rethink. Not comfortable in the role, and it is to be hoped that his apparent lack of oomph was a result of his uncertainty with his role and the system, rather than a lack of desire. Needs to up his intensity either way.
  • Berge - 4 - not entirely sure what he offers, poor in the tackle, plays very easy simple passes, poor decision making.
  • Berge 3 - his first half was truly awful, contributed to his team mates being on a yellow and was just a passenger Berge- 5 Awful in the first, better in a more advanced role in the second half. If Kompany wants him closer to the goal than there has to be another CM with Cullen.
  • Berge 6 unfortunately he is one of those players who looks somewhat uninterested.He has undoubted skill and technique but needs a bit more fire to back it up.
  • Berge 4 weak particularly for a big man. Needs to be part of a 3.
  • Berge - 4 - as people have alluded to, think he’s better making third man runs as a more attacking midfielder. Problem is, there are so many options for that position, but no real out and out CM other than Cullen. Brownhill back in for me.
  • Berge 6 - really odd player. Built like a brick house but doesn’t seem to put himself about. Unsure fully on the tactics but thought he actually did a reasonable job picking up balls over the top and holding it up. I’d be putting him on the bench for Spurs and bringing Brownhill back in though until he settles into the rhythm more.
  • Berge was shocking I thought. Doesn’t look fit enough. Made very little effort
  • He touched the ball every 20 minutes in our first game, this afternoon he broke the lines a number of times, won corners and was pretty much our only midfielder. He also defended well. Having said that, it didn’t take much to stand out in a dire team performance
  • Berge 4 - awful. Hope that’s not him because that is exactly what we don’t want in midfield.
  • Berge 6 - better more forward in second half, some fans hate his loping style but they would think Ya Ya Toure was a carthorse, Berge is a good player and was a key force in our best spell but was outnumbered as was Cullen in the first half
  • Berge 5 - not sure what his role is? Touch let him down at times. One or two flashes of what he offers going forward.
  • Berge 3 - do we have a 28 day returns policy? Shouldn't be in front of Brownhill in this formation.
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His form hasn't dropped from leaving us, he's very consistent (crap). As for the one who said he's was are best player for years!!!!!!! Better than Ndiaye or Morgan Gibbs whitel?
 
FriethBlade said:
Yeah OK, if that's the case he could have refused to go and see out his contract.

Funnily enough you can't force someone under contract to leave, it would be like my landlord trying to force me out with a year left on my contract, he couldn't unless I chose to leave
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When your employer is telling you he wants rid of you for the good of the club, (and potentially threatening to not play you if you stay) you are being forced out.

He was forced out like a man is forcing another man to shoot himself if he threatens to kill the rest of his family. Saying, "well, it was his decision" is disingenuous.
 
AWetFlannel said:
When your employer is telling you he wants rid of you for the good of the club, (and potentially threatening to not play you if you stay) you are being forced out.

He was forced out like a man is forcing another man to shoot himself if he threatens to kill the rest of his family. Saying, "well, it was his decision" is disingenuous.
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Gonna have to agree to disagree. He had a year left on his contract, he could have stayed. He also could have stayed by signing a new contract. So he had 2 opportunities to stay but left. That's his choice in my book but happy to accept it isn't in your book
 

AWetFlannel said:
Our owner wants to sell. He tried to sell us to two conmen last year. Given those failures, we had a transfer embargo last season which could've fucked up our season. We've come into this season selling our two best players long before bringing filling the holes in our squad due to the loanees going back.

That is the context. This isn't a normal transfer window for your normal club. Having your manager explain that all his plans have changed and we're having to start playing a new system due to the window is hardly ideal prep, nor is throwing our first three games. Compare that to the situation when Wilder brought us up.

I'm not saying there are evil villains we should hate, I'm not frothing at the mouth. Just annoyed and pessimistic about our prospects as a result.
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Yes he wants to sell, he didnt know they were conmen when conversations started, it came out as the process progressed, thats what the process if for

Berge went to Burnley on 9th Aug - same day Souza came in, and Hamer came in on the 12th Aug

What is a 'normal' transfer window? And who's had one? Possibly Arsenal? Think Brighton losing Caisedo - LIverpool all the midfield, Man U cant get Harry off the payroll and miss out on Pavard, Chelsea are still short of a striker and are trying to move about 8 players out.
At the other end, Everton upto today have sign Young on a free, Luton havent spent more than £5m

How would you have liked the window to play out?
 
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