CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

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nidaye was definetly the bigger loss of the 2 i think sander might regret leaving us for burnley all hes done is move sideways for money we will definetly finish higher than burnley i think they will go down
 

Thing is there has been 4 managers playing him in that same position, yet us as fans think he's better further forward.

Who's right?
 
From their player ratings last game:

Burnley v Aston Villa - Player Ratings -

www.uptheclarets.com www.uptheclarets.com

  • Berge 4 like a slower version of a Tarkowski
  • Berge 6 better in the 2nd half
  • Berge 4- He isn’t a sitting midfielder so why play him as one?
  • Berge - 4 game passed him by first half, slightly better for those 10 mins in the 2nd and then rightly hooked
  • Berge 6 - played further forward today than against City, found himself in some really good positions but wasn’t clinical enough
  • Berge 5. Couple of good runs into space but poor first touch
  • Berge - 4 - thought Dale Stephens was playing....
  • Berge was awful first half, a little better in the second. Have we been sold a dud? Not really seeing any qualities he brings.
  • Berge 7 far better this week
  • Berge 5 - really struggled first half. A bit better at the start of the second half before being pulled. Needs to play further forward.
  • Berge - 5 - the idea of him playing as some sort on inside forward needs a rethink. Not comfortable in the role, and it is to be hoped that his apparent lack of oomph was a result of his uncertainty with his role and the system, rather than a lack of desire. Needs to up his intensity either way.
  • Berge - 4 - not entirely sure what he offers, poor in the tackle, plays very easy simple passes, poor decision making.
  • Berge 3 - his first half was truly awful, contributed to his team mates being on a yellow and was just a passenger Berge- 5 Awful in the first, better in a more advanced role in the second half. If Kompany wants him closer to the goal than there has to be another CM with Cullen.
  • Berge 6 unfortunately he is one of those players who looks somewhat uninterested.He has undoubted skill and technique but needs a bit more fire to back it up.
  • Berge 4 weak particularly for a big man. Needs to be part of a 3.
  • Berge - 4 - as people have alluded to, think he’s better making third man runs as a more attacking midfielder. Problem is, there are so many options for that position, but no real out and out CM other than Cullen. Brownhill back in for me.
  • Berge 6 - really odd player. Built like a brick house but doesn’t seem to put himself about. Unsure fully on the tactics but thought he actually did a reasonable job picking up balls over the top and holding it up. I’d be putting him on the bench for Spurs and bringing Brownhill back in though until he settles into the rhythm more.
  • Berge was shocking I thought. Doesn’t look fit enough. Made very little effort
  • He touched the ball every 20 minutes in our first game, this afternoon he broke the lines a number of times, won corners and was pretty much our only midfielder. He also defended well. Having said that, it didn’t take much to stand out in a dire team performance
  • Berge 4 - awful. Hope that’s not him because that is exactly what we don’t want in midfield.
  • Berge 6 - better more forward in second half, some fans hate his loping style but they would think Ya Ya Toure was a carthorse, Berge is a good player and was a key force in our best spell but was outnumbered as was Cullen in the first half
  • Berge 5 - not sure what his role is? Touch let him down at times. One or two flashes of what he offers going forward.
  • Berge 3 - do we have a 28 day returns policy? Shouldn't be in front of Brownhill in this formation.
 
You cant change a player, you just accommodate his weaknesses & play to his strengths

Berge's strength is gliding past people and neat touches supporting the attack
His weakness is intensity, chasing back and tackling

Playing him in a DM role is playing to his weaknesses, but Kompany doesnt fancy him there

Get him up the pitch and they will see, 1:3 games the class that he can bring, problem is 2:3 he is a passenger, and that will be more evident against better players in the EPL

For all the doom mongers that were getting the pills ready when Berge left, trust the system, trust Hecky

Hamer for Berge anyone?
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Greg. said:
From their player ratings last game:

Burnley v Aston Villa - Player Ratings -

www.uptheclarets.com www.uptheclarets.com

  • Berge 4 like a slower version of a Tarkowski
  • Berge 6 better in the 2nd half
  • Berge 4- He isn’t a sitting midfielder so why play him as one?
  • Berge - 4 game passed him by first half, slightly better for those 10 mins in the 2nd and then rightly hooked
  • Berge 6 - played further forward today than against City, found himself in some really good positions but wasn’t clinical enough
  • Berge 5. Couple of good runs into space but poor first touch
  • Berge - 4 - thought Dale Stephens was playing....
  • Berge was awful first half, a little better in the second. Have we been sold a dud? Not really seeing any qualities he brings.
  • Berge 7 far better this week
  • Berge 5 - really struggled first half. A bit better at the start of the second half before being pulled. Needs to play further forward.
  • Berge - 5 - the idea of him playing as some sort on inside forward needs a rethink. Not comfortable in the role, and it is to be hoped that his apparent lack of oomph was a result of his uncertainty with his role and the system, rather than a lack of desire. Needs to up his intensity either way.
  • Berge - 4 - not entirely sure what he offers, poor in the tackle, plays very easy simple passes, poor decision making.
  • Berge 3 - his first half was truly awful, contributed to his team mates being on a yellow and was just a passenger Berge- 5 Awful in the first, better in a more advanced role in the second half. If Kompany wants him closer to the goal than there has to be another CM with Cullen.
  • Berge 6 unfortunately he is one of those players who looks somewhat uninterested.He has undoubted skill and technique but needs a bit more fire to back it up.
  • Berge 4 weak particularly for a big man. Needs to be part of a 3.
  • Berge - 4 - as people have alluded to, think he’s better making third man runs as a more attacking midfielder. Problem is, there are so many options for that position, but no real out and out CM other than Cullen. Brownhill back in for me.
  • Berge 6 - really odd player. Built like a brick house but doesn’t seem to put himself about. Unsure fully on the tactics but thought he actually did a reasonable job picking up balls over the top and holding it up. I’d be putting him on the bench for Spurs and bringing Brownhill back in though until he settles into the rhythm more.
  • Berge was shocking I thought. Doesn’t look fit enough. Made very little effort
  • He touched the ball every 20 minutes in our first game, this afternoon he broke the lines a number of times, won corners and was pretty much our only midfielder. He also defended well. Having said that, it didn’t take much to stand out in a dire team performance
  • Berge 4 - awful. Hope that’s not him because that is exactly what we don’t want in midfield.
  • Berge 6 - better more forward in second half, some fans hate his loping style but they would think Ya Ya Toure was a carthorse, Berge is a good player and was a key force in our best spell but was outnumbered as was Cullen in the first half
  • Berge 5 - not sure what his role is? Touch let him down at times. One or two flashes of what he offers going forward.
  • Berge 3 - do we have a 28 day returns policy? Shouldn't be in front of Brownhill in this formation.
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Nothing in there surprises and sums up why he was divisive within our fanbase.

I think he sees himself as a deep lying CM playing neat little passes and keeping the ball moving. However we know (and multiple United managers have found out) that his strengths are better suited to playing in a more advanced position, carrying the ball and gliding past players. Because of his size, Berge can look quite cumbersome doing this, but by god its effective and defenders must hate it when he drags them out of position and they can't shrug him off the ball. He always looks like the biggest kid in the playground, but he lacks the temperament to continually grab the game by the scruff of the neck - hence why he's got the reputation for 1 good game in 3 and is viewed as a bit of a nesh.

Let's hope it takes Kompany a while to work out his best position.

I like Berge, but would rather have the fight and heart of Hamer for what is going to be a scrap of a season for us in a relegation battle
 
Weasel said:
Always got the impression too that as nice a lad as he undoubtedly is, he thought he was using us as a stepping stone because that is what his advisors had told him would be his career map. In reality, he was just a decent SUFC player and not 'above' us. A proper star came along and put him in the shade in that respect.
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I seem to recall we missed out on him in the first transfer window we were linked because he apparently thought he deserved a move to a bigger and better team? Which is fair enough and absolutely his prerogative, but let's not kid ourselves that he was ever desperate to come and play for us.
 
ThatJa said:
Thing is there has been 4 managers playing him in that same position, yet us as fans think he's better further forward.

Who's right?
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Because “us fans” as you describe them as, simply know more about the game than the majority of experienced professional managers.

Maybe ?😉.

Computer simulations have much to answer to !!

UTB
 
Berge is a good player when you play to his very specific skillset.
I'm sure eventually Burnley will work him out and get the desired outputs.

What's surprising is how little homework they seem to have done.
We're not far removed from Burnley and have given them 2/3 seasons worth of a case study on him and it's clear what he can and can't do.

If you're expecting Berge to be a CM or a DM you're flying a kite.
Get him in open space, in advanced wide areas, in one on one situations and he'll create something for you. He can also retain possession pretty well.
He absolutely can't defend and doesn't operate well in tight areas, he hasn't the agility for it.
 
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Swannyblade said:
Nothing in there surprises and sums up why he was divisive within our fanbase.

I think he sees himself as a deep lying CM playing neat little passes and keeping the ball moving. However we know (and multiple United managers have found out) that his strengths are better suited to playing in a more advanced position, carrying the ball and gliding past players. Because of his size, Berge can look quite cumbersome doing this, but by god its effective and defenders must hate it when he drags them out of position and they can't shrug him off the ball. He always looks like the biggest kid in the playground, but he lacks the temperament to continually grab the game by the scruff of the neck - hence why he's got the reputation for 1 good game in 3 and is viewed as a bit of a nesh.

Let's hope it takes Kompany a while to work out his best position.

I like Berge, but would rather have the fight and heart of Hamer for what is going to be a scrap of a season for us in a relegation battle
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Yeah agree, he's an interesting player for sure that I think hasn't quite figured out himself (or by his managers) what exactly his best place is. Last season he completed the most progressive carries in the team, carries into the final third and was second behind Ili for carries into the penalty area. He ranks well vs. other midfielders on these metrics too. These areas are incidentally where we rank worst in the PL so far on this season - without Sander and Illy we have struggled to effectively retain possession and move it up the field to create chances. But Sander in other areas particularly when you play him deeper is lacking - aerially, defensively etc.

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Swannyblade said:
Nothing in there surprises and sums up why he was divisive within our fanbase.

I think he sees himself as a deep lying CM playing neat little passes and keeping the ball moving. However we know (and multiple United managers have found out) that his strengths are better suited to playing in a more advanced position, carrying the ball and gliding past players. Because of his size, Berge can look quite cumbersome doing this, but by god its effective and defenders must hate it when he drags them out of position and they can't shrug him off the ball. He always looks like the biggest kid in the playground, but he lacks the temperament to continually grab the game by the scruff of the neck - hence why he's got the reputation for 1 good game in 3 and is viewed as a bit of a nesh.

Let's hope it takes Kompany a while to work out his best position.

I like Berge, but would rather have the fight and heart of Hamer for what is going to be a scrap of a season for us in a relegation battle
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Swanny spot on re Hamer v Berge. To play the 4 role as well as keeping the game ticking over you have to be the bulldog that covers the defence and be the player that the opposition are scared of getting snapped by. He's neither of those and never will be so let's hope Burnley take forever to figure that out.
 
steve26272 said:
You cant change a player, you just accommodate his weaknesses & play to his strengths

Berge's strength is gliding past people and neat touches supporting the attack

His weakness is intensity, chasing back and tackling​


Playing him in a DM role is playing to his weaknesses, but Kompany doesnt fancy him there

Get him up the pitch and they will see, 1:3 games the class that he can bring, problem is 2:3 he is a passenger, and that will be more evident against better players in the EPL

For all the doom mongers that were getting the pills ready when Berge left, trust the system, trust Hecky

Hamer for Berge anyone?
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You forgot one of his other weaknesses, Heading!
 
I do feel a bit sorry for Sander to be honest.

It was a big move for him when he came to us, and a total change from what he was used to. After a fanfare arrival it felt like it took him a long while to settle (just how I perceived it) and then when he finally did forge his presence in the team, the club gets themselves into a right old mess with his contract and decides to sell him.

I believed Hecky when he said that Sander was disappointed to be leaving, and may well now be thinking 'how the fuck have I ended up here'...again?

Who knows, but I do sincerely hope he does well, although not well enough to keep Burnley ahead of us.
 
steve26272 said:
You cant change a player, you just accommodate his weaknesses & play to his strengths

Berge's strength is gliding past people and neat touches supporting the attack
His weakness is intensity, chasing back and tackling

Playing him in a DM role is playing to his weaknesses, but Kompany doesnt fancy him there

Get him up the pitch and they will see, 1:3 games the class that he can bring, problem is 2:3 he is a passenger, and that will be more evident against better players in the EPL

For all the doom mongers that were getting the pills ready when Berge left, trust the system, trust Hecky

Hamer for Berge anyone?
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I never thought I'd say this but hecky is very underrated as a coach, I get the feeling he won't throw the new guys in until he's happy they're ready and and understand the system
Souza and Hamer have taken to it like a duck to water still think we need another ATM or 2 and a lefty midfielder
MCB and archer sort the central striker role but we need creativity and a partner for souza
It's the first time in a long while the options for the side are expansive
Is slimane a central midfielder or ATM can't say I've seen enough to make a decision
 
Greg. said:
Yeah agree, he's an interesting player for sure that I think hasn't quite figured out himself (or by his managers) what exactly his best place is. Last season he completed the most progressive carries in the team, carries into the final third and was second behind Ili for carries into the penalty area. He ranks well vs. other midfielders on these metrics too. These areas are incidentally where we rank worst in the PL so far on this season - without Sander and Illy we have struggled to effectively retain possession and move it up the field to create chances. But Sander in other areas particularly when you play him deeper is lacking - aerially, defensively etc.
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I do worry about our ability to progress the ball from midfield to attack. Our forwards have looked quite isolated so far, but hoping the additions of Hamer and Archer will help us in this area. Give me McAtee as well and I think we're laughing
 
Stretch said:
I do feel a bit sorry for Sander to be honest.

It was a big move for him when he came to us, and a total change from what he was used to. After a fanfare arrival it felt like it took him a long while to settle (just how I perceived it) and then when he finally did forge his presence in the team, the club gets themselves into a right old mess with his contract and decides to sell him.

I believed Hecky when he said that Sander was disappointed to be leaving, and may well now be thinking 'how the fuck have I ended up here'...again?

Who knows, but I do sincerely hope he does well, although not well enough to keep Burnley ahead of us.
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Stretch I don't feel sorry for him. He's gone for the money. I got his 'waiting for a big team to come and get me' point of view. If he'd gone to one of the big six or abroad I would have wished him luck. However once he signed for Burnley it became immediately obvious it was all about pay as they are a smaller club than us and one we will be competing with to stay up.

For me I hope he has a mare and wishes he never went as Company is going to have to keep playing him to justify his outlay.
 
FriethBlade said:
Stretch I don't feel sorry for him. He's gone for the money. I got his 'waiting for a big team to come and get me' point of view. If he'd gone to one of the big six or abroad I would have wished him luck. However once he signed for Burnley it became immediately obvious it was all about pay as they are a smaller club than us and one we will be competing with to stay up.

For me I hope he has a mare and wishes he never went as Company is going to have to keep playing him to justify his outlay.
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I am just going on what PH said mate. You could argue that he should have been more receptive to signing a new deal (which backs up your point about the money being an issue) and I suppose feeling sorry for him might be a bit much on reflection, as he is still in a position most of us can only dream of, but I am in agreement that he has taken a sidestep, whether for the money or not and it's just a shame after he had finally found his feet here.

At the end of the day though, I would have swapped him for Hamer in a hearbeat, so I think we will come out of the deal better in the long term.
 
FriethBlade said:
Stretch I don't feel sorry for him. He's gone for the money. I got his 'waiting for a big team to come and get me' point of view. If he'd gone to one of the big six or abroad I would have wished him luck. However once he signed for Burnley it became immediately obvious it was all about pay as they are a smaller club than us and one we will be competing with to stay up.

For me I hope he has a mare and wishes he never went as Company is going to have to keep playing him to justify his outlay.
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For me he could have gone to a top 10 Italian or Spanish team, and at the pace they play looked outstanding

I always thought of him as a classical musician in a heavy metal band with us

But I have a gut feeling about the Burnley transfer

The move came out of nowhere, and Burnley hadnt been mentioned at all, and seems a very sideways move for him

However, the day before Berge went, Burnley bid for Hamer. 24 hours later they get Berge, another 24 hours later we sign Hamer

If our people sold Burnley a 'you can have Berge, hes a full international, played in the Prem and is a silky footballer - however you give us a clear run on that lad from Cov whos untested' routine they deserve a medal the size of what Klopp got selling us Brewster
 
FriethBlade said:
Stretch I don't feel sorry for him. He's gone for the money. I got his 'waiting for a big team to come and get me' point of view. If he'd gone to one of the big six or abroad I would have wished him luck. However once he signed for Burnley it became immediately obvious it was all about pay as they are a smaller club than us and one we will be competing with to stay up.

For me I hope he has a mare and wishes he never went as Company is going to have to keep playing him to justify his outlay.
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We sold him to raise money. It wasn't his decision to leave.
 

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