CONFIRMED Berge to Burnley

[alcoblade]

What contract offer has berge refused to sign?

He's refused to enter into talks about a new contract and made it clear he's happy to keep his options open regarding a move. It's very clear he's happy to walk for free in one year's time.

 

[BalticBlade]

So we rebuild.

We have Fleck/Ozzy/Slimane/Berge/Norwood. With the monies raised, we could be looking at-

Slimane/Hamer/O'Brien/Souza/Norwood. I know which id rather have for the next 3 seasons.....

Cant make an omelette without breaking an egg.

The glaring flaw with that argument is the word 'could'.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

It’s written by the Mail’s fairly well respected northern football reporter. It’s not like they frequently write clickbait-y articles about us either. Yes I know, iTs ThE dAiLy MaIl, but you can probably be a bit smarter than that.

I was about to say similar.
This isn't "stop the boatloads of murdering rapists" Daily Mail nonsense.

What motive would they have for printing that we forced Berge out?
It's come from somewhere.

 

[BrisBlade]

Yeah like players and agents don't do that. Case in point: Aaron "Sell me now or else" Ramsdale because Arteta has been on the phone.

Not all players do that, just like not all clubs threaten players with being frozen out. Both are unacceptable behaviour in my mind. It's certainly not how I want my club to act.

 

[Houston_Blade]

That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

He was hardly what I'd call a 'tough tackling midfielder' in the first place, he's more Billy Casper than Roy Keane.

 

[gaffablade]

Look, its really simple this one.

If Berge was such a 'Rolls Royce', then why the fuck is he going to Burnley???

Surely all the big European clubs would be bidding now they know hes available for £13m......

Just maybe, Wilder paid £10m over the odds for him, and £13m is good business for a player that goes missing most games, cant tackle and cant head a ball! How many times in the 90 or so games has he MotM?? A handful at best, and that's not in-keeping with a Rolls Royce player.

Timing is shite, that i accept.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

The thing about players being frozen out which makes it even remotely likely is that we did it with Ndiaye a few years ago.

Which apparently he (and agent) weren't slow to forget.

The source being [Mail] is laughable, wouldn't believe that at all. Why would you "freeze out" arguably your best midfielder...

Money.

 

[blAdes96]

So we rebuild.

We have Fleck/Ozzy/Slimane/Berge/Norwood. With the monies raised, we could be looking at-

Slimane/Hamer/O'Brien/Souza/Norwood. I know which id rather have for the next 3 seasons.....

Cant make an omelette without breaking an egg.

The midfield needs a hell of a rebuild, I just wouldn't want to lose Berge. Especially to strengthen Burnley. They are in that competing 6-to-7 team bracket for relegation as well...

Norwood is no longer good enough. I personally don't think I've seen him have a good game since January. He's slow & the Prem is far too fast-paced for him. I'd rather give it Coulibaly or another youngster who's eager & energetic.

Slimane/Hamer/O'Brien/Souza

Not mad with the idea of this though...

 

[gaffablade]

The glaring flaw with that argument is the word 'could'.

a potential flaw, but not a flaw....

Time will tell

 

[gaffablade]

The midfield needs a hell of a rebuild, I just wouldn't want to lose Berge. Especially to strengthen Burnley!

Norwood is no longer good enough. I personally don't think I've seen him have a good game since January. He's slow & the Prem is far too fast-paced for him. I'd rather give it Coulibaly or another youngster who's eager & energetic...

So you pick up on Norwood when Ive mentioned Slimane/Hamer/O'Brien/Souza, really....

 

[bertieblade]

Due to Wilders signings the club lost
£6m Freeman
£9m mouse
£6m Burke / robinson
£10m Brewster ( at least, when he goes )
£10m mcburnie ( at least when he goes )
£1m lundstram

£42m
we cannot afford to keep letting players run contracts down and / or buy high value players that lose their value
to date we have only made a profit on Ndiaye and Ramsdale, whilst ndiaye was a significant contribution it does not cover other losses and his value on the balance sheet.
subsequently things have to change, other players have been offered new contracts and things are under discussion in the hope that they will sign, if not they will no doubt be moved on. It is a business and has to be run as such.
yes the timing is bad but things must be brought back onto an even keel after losses on transfer fees, losses due to covid and the purchase of the real estate which was forced onto the club.
I do not like the timing and the loss of key players but can understand why it is happening.
Just hope that the owner is true to his word and the manager is given all the funds ( £40m by my guesstimate) to reinvest in younger players on longer contracts.
yes possibly get relegated this season but have a more valuable squad ( not have lost £30m on ndiay and Berge ) and be able to bounce back next season

 

[BadgersBigToe]

Not quite as simple, but...

If you have a Rolex that's worth £15K, but the market is crashing and you know that it will be worth half that in 9 months time, do you sell now or gamble that the price will come back up?

What about if someone could take your Rolex off your wrist for free in 12 months time and walk away with it?

 

[Bladesman]

Due to Wilders signings the club lost
£6m Freeman
£9m mouse
£6m Burke / robinson
£10m Brewster ( at least, when he goes )
£10m mcburnie ( at least when he goes )
£1m lundstram

£42m
we cannot afford to keep letting players run contracts down and / or buy high value players that lose their value
to date we have only made a profit on Ndiaye and Ramsdale, whilst ndiaye was a significant contribution it does not cover other losses and his value on the balance sheet.
subsequently things have to change, other players have been offered new contracts and things are under discussion in the hope that they will sign, if not they will no doubt be moved on. It is a business and has to be run as such.
yes the timing is bad but things must be brought back onto an even keel after losses on transfer fees, losses due to covid and the purchase of the real estate which was forced onto the club.
I do not like the timing and the loss of key players but can understand why it is happening.
Just hope that the owner is true to his word and the manager is given all the funds ( £40m by my guesstimate) to reinvest in younger players on longer contracts.
yes possibly get relegated this season but have a more valuable squad ( not have lost £30m on ndiay and Berge ) and be able to bounce back next season

Yet some on here are like let Ndiaye and Berge run their contracts down it will be fine. What's another £30 million down the shitter.

 

[Southend Blade]

If that was true he wouldn't move now.

Why is he moving then?

 

[Working Class Hero]

Due to Wilders signings the club lost
£6m Freeman
£9m mouse
£6m Burke / robinson
£10m Brewster ( at least, when he goes )
£10m mcburnie ( at least when he goes )
£1m lundstram

£42m
we cannot afford to keep letting players run contracts down and / or buy high value players that lose their value
to date we have only made a profit on Ndiaye and Ramsdale, whilst ndiaye was a significant contribution it does not cover other losses and his value on the balance sheet.
subsequently things have to change, other players have been offered new contracts and things are under discussion in the hope that they will sign, if not they will no doubt be moved on. It is a business and has to be run as such.
yes the timing is bad but things must be brought back onto an even keel after losses on transfer fees, losses due to covid and the purchase of the real estate which was forced onto the club.
I do not like the timing and the loss of key players but can understand why it is happening.
Just hope that the owner is true to his word and the manager is given all the funds ( £40m by my guesstimate) to reinvest in younger players on longer contracts.
yes possibly get relegated this season but have a more valuable squad ( not have lost £30m on ndiay and Berge ) and be able to bounce back next season

Some of those players kept us in the Premier League for an extra season though, so would have paid for themselves. Some have also got us back there.

The profit from Ndiaye and Ramsdale also offsets that loss, so I'm not sure you can even blame the signings at this stage. It's just piss poor management from the top.

 

[Th!stledo]

It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.

We can’t afford to just let a £12m asset walk away for nothing. I’m sure every football player in the world understands that.

Keeping Sander would have been the equivalent of :
Paying £12,000,000 to loan a player and paying him Sander's wages.

Or alternately spending the money on 1 or two players to strengthen the squad.
With the added benefit that these players will still be with us next season and still an asset to the club?

There are pros and cons for both options, hence the debate on this forum.
Ultimately the final decision has to be left to the owner.
He has to decide what he feels best protects his assets.
We don't all have to agree with his reasoning, but should respect he has the right to make the decision.

 

[Creepy]

So we keep playing him then and let him go for free. Good plan.

Well that's better than not playing him and then letting him go for free!

 

[Bladesman]

Some of those players kept us in the Premier League for an extra season though, so would have paid for themselves. Some have also got us back there.

The profit from Ndiaye and Ramsdale also offsets that loss, so I'm not sure you can even blame the signings at this stage. It's just piss poor management from the top.

We will also gloss over the £25 to £30million the club lost due to COVID?

 

[Aquifer007]

I have a feeling he be injured most of season again so best get 12 millie in and get a hard nut in!

 

[Bladesman]

I have a feeling he be injured most of season again so best get 12 millie in and get a hard nut in!

He is a flight risk injury wise and nearly got crippled against Stuttgart.

 

[Davalon]

Why play a player who won't be here beyond on this season then? why build a team around him if he is just going to wander off next summer?

Also, I went on Saturday as soon as Berge was on the end of a bad tackle he started to avoid going in for any at all afterwards. That's what we will get all this season, him being nesh because he will be thinking long term about his next move and avoiding injury.

I think the point in question is the way Berge has been rumoured to have been forced out and the impact of that, rather than simply that getting a fee now might make good business sense.

 

[alcoblade]

If we were about to sign a one year loan deal, costing about £35,000,000 - £40,000,000, to bring two top division two players in - there'd rightly be uproar on here.

Yet that's seemingly (effectively) what so many bedwetters want the club to do.

 

[nopigfansintown]

A blast from the past: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-united-midfielder-sander-berge-25097624

 

[Davalon]

Be interesting to see the reaction if Ndiaye had supposedly been told the same.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

If we were about to sign a one year loan deal, costing about £35,000,000 - £40,000,000, to bring two top division two players in - there'd rightly be uproar on here.

Yet that's seemingly (effectively) what so many bedwetters want the club to do.

Did you pull a groin with that stretch

 

[alcoblade]

I think the point in question is the way Berge has been rumoured to have been forced out and the impact of that, rather than simply that getting a fee now might make good business sense.

Serious point - but if we've "forced him out", and are effectively avoiding losing £12,000,000 - why do we actually care?

I don't really see how (practically) we force anyone out, but I'm not sure what's wrong with it if we did?

 

[alcoblade]

Did you pull a groin with that stretch

Also in English?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Why is he moving then?

It seems that he'd rather play for Burnley than Sheffield United.

 

[Bladesman]

Serious point - but if we've "forced him out", and are effectively avoiding losing £12,000,000 - why do we actually care?

I don't really see how (practically) we force anyone out, but I'm not sure what's wrong with it if we did?

It's literally the only option the club has. Not playing the player.

The player and agent holds the rest of the cards.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

It seems that he'd rather play for Burnley than Sheffield United.

Can’t deny a man his boyhood dream