Back for SOD after relegation?

[Foxy]

SoD has performed wonders at Donny and has made them a solid Championship side. They've had a drop in form since he was known to be interested in the vacant role that Adams got, but is nevertheless keeping a side with a very low wage bill in this league and playing generally good football in the process.

...and achieved only 2 draws from 2 extra games better than Micky Adams in the same time period we are rating Micky Adams upon.

They are different situations, so it's impossible to compare, it just always seems to get a bit ridiculous where managers reputations/ratings are concerned.

Can anybody remember just how many managers and years ago "Sack X, we can't do any worse" started?

 

[Deadbat]

Adams

I think whoever took the job was by nature a 'yes' man as they have been told they have no money, will have to sell/release whoever the board say and will only be able to bring in players on X money or under.

Granted you could say all managers are under such conditions but do you think Adams will have any say over who is retained this summer or will be told we have to release/move on Henderson, Evans, Quinn, Monty etc? Do you think he will be given much choice on signings or future recruitment? I think he will do pretty much what the board tell him myself.

'Can anybody remember just how many managers and years ago "Sack X, we can't do any worse" started? '

A long time ago but in this instance c'mon Foxy even you must see this statement rings true! Who could have done any worse! The results/performances have been dire all season but have got worse under Adams. A blind man can see that.

A club above us Scunthorpe fired their manager and they have had a better record than us over the same side (and he was a new manager and actually beat his relegation rivals a few times - namely us!)

Quite stunned that people are defending Adams reign really. If people are happy with him in charge for the future so be it but I aint happy to see my club losing week in, week out and no sign of it changing. I dont care if the manager is aa Blade, an Owl, from Sheffield, or Timbuktu, I simply want us to win. At least occasionally. Adams has failed miserably.

Regardless of the SOD comparisons I think it is fair to say the choice to appoint Adams (at the moment) has been a disastrous one and that we should have appoined someone else. Easy to say in hindsight but even those who said give him a go must be struggling to see what he has done right or can offer us moving forward. I may be accused of being pessmistic or unfair on Adams but I do not see how anyone can be postive when looking at what he has done. those saying he should stay or we should not change, fair enough you are entitled to your opinion but what do you see that offers you this hope other than the usual rhetoric 'we can't just keep chaning our manager'?

 

[Coily]

I think whoever took the job was by nature a 'yes' man as they have been told they have no money, will have to sell/release whoever the board say and will only be able to bring in players on X money or under.

Granted you could say all managers are under such conditions but do you think Adams will have any say over who is retained this summer or will be told we have to release/move on Henderson, Evans, Quinn, Monty etc? Do you think he will be given much choice on signings or future recruitment? I think he will do pretty much what the board tell him myself.

Working under a budget does not make you a 'yes' man. If the board say "The wage budget must be £4m next season", then Adams will have to work toward that or leave. And if you have players on say £10k a week, that won't work so they'll have to go. Adams' choice is who he signs with the resource available. I can't imagine that he'll sign who the board tell him to, is this what you are intimating?

 

[MunXy]

what a load of old cobblers, sack adams, sack speed, sack blackwell, sack carver...what the fuck!!!
i dont care what anyone says, with the team and the "massive" transfer kitty allowed, no manager could have saved the blades not even with jesus as manager and alex ferguson as his #2, jesus could only preform miracles, even he couldnt do the impossible.
as for next season, clear the decks and start fresh bring up youth, bring in new and look long term, if that means a season or 3 in league 1 then so be it, but dont make us a bigger laughing stock than we already are by sacking another manager, give micky till at least december with a proper pre season and a good crack at a transfer window even if budget is small.
i remember "harry" bassett when he first came in, didnt stop us going down but changed the team and the mentality, uncovered a few real gems and the rest is blades legend, i believe adams can do summat similar, given a chance and a little backing.he can show them where they going wrong on the training field but once they cross the white line on match days its entirely down to the players, ive always said players wages should be preformance related, they do well they get paid they play shite they get a beating, if all players wages were paid ONLY if every member of the playing squad played well you would soon see an improvement

MunXy

 

[lenners]

The thing that has amazed me about Adams is the sheer lack of heart in a lot of performances.
I wanted SOD because football has changed and we haven't changed with it.
But I thought Adams would be OK because I thought he would at least have us scrapping out of the hole we were in.
Instead it's been the opposite with often cringeworthy post-match interviews in which he sounded utterly broken like the rest of the club. I gave up listening to them weeks ago because you felt like you were intruding on private grief.
Anyone defending his record is sadly part of the problem and still unable to shake the United disease of accepting second, third, fourth rate.

 

[Houso]

what a load of old cobblers, sack adams, sack speed, sack blackwell, sack carver...what the fuck!!!
i dont care what anyone says, with the team and the "massive" transfer kitty allowed, no manager could have saved the blades not even with jesus as manager and alex ferguson as his #2, jesus could only preform miracles, even he couldnt do the impossible.
as for next season, clear the decks and start fresh bring up youth, bring in new and look long term, if that means a season or 3 in league 1 then so be it, but dont make us a bigger laughing stock than we already are by sacking another manager, give micky till at least december with a proper pre season and a good crack at a transfer window even if budget is small.
i remember "harry" bassett when he first came in, didnt stop us going down but changed the team and the mentality, uncovered a few real gems and the rest is blades legend, i believe adams can do summat similar, given a chance and a little backing.he can show them where they going wrong on the training field but once they cross the white line on match days its entirely down to the players, ive always said players wages should be preformance related, they do well they get paid they play shite they get a beating, if all players wages were paid ONLY if every member of the playing squad played well you would soon see an improvement

MunXy

Go on then, how come we've dropped like a stone since Adams took over then? We were a better team before he came along, the fact that we've got worse is Adams fault. I'm amazed people won't concede this.

 

[MunXy]

dropped like a stone, a whole 4-5 places, OMG dropped like a stone is what donny have done, the brink of play offs to still a little worried about relegation.
right from the first few games of this season anyone could see we were never going to be play off or promotion contenders, mid table at best, as it happens we are where we belong for results over 40 games not as some are suggesting just the last 15-16.
im sure qpr were terrified of or promotion push.
adams hasnt done well everyone remembers collins etc as bad signings but forgets riise and vokes, selective amnesia. which decent players did previous 3 managers bring in? simmo, nosworthy, cresswell?
i do wonder what people would have said if collins, bent and the other adams signings had played well, would it then still be adams fault if players made stupid school boy mistakes?
hendo missed at least 3 great chances on saturday, was he a adams signing?
i believe even marcus bent coulda put away 2 of those chances, if hendo had we would have gone in 3-1 up at half time and probably scored a couple more, thats what i mean by the players fault more than the managers, a striker cant even get it on target twice from six yards with a header which im reminded is hendo's strong point?
sack the players or better still sue them for trades description
goal scorers that cant score, defenders that cant defend, and people want micky's head
weve got worse?
erm we beat forest and leeds under adams which other manager this season have we beat top 6 contenders?

MunXy

 

[sheepbridge]

Bassett was relegated in his first season at United, and bought some terrible players in the process. Remember Paul Williams? Possibly even worse than Collins.
At the time of the Adams appointment I would have accepted Adams or SOD as manager, both had different qualities, and I thought both had a chance to keep us up, though given the state of the club and the players I’m not sure anyone could and I certainly don’t think SOD would have guaranteed it. As Foxy has shown, he currently has a similar record as Adams, with a squad he has built and coached for a number of years.

Adams has also been criticised for the players he has signed, and the ones from division 1 and 2 he hasn’t. I agree that the signings have been very poor, and this is my biggest concern now with Adams, but we don’t know what budget he was working too and I doubt many Premiership or Championship players wanted to join United on a permanent contract in January. As for not signing the best players from Division 1 and 2 which he should know, maybe he does. Maybe he has a list of 20 players who would make an instant improvement to the squad but also maybe their clubs didn’t want to sell or perhaps they did but wanted a realistic price which is way outside our budget.

I am in the group of we can’t change the manager again, and would be no matter who was in charge.

The club and playing staff needs a complete overhaul, but starting with another new manager isn’t the answer right now. Adams has hopefully seen enough to know what he wants to do and can start straight away. A new manager would need time to assess the squad, get to know the players etc. and we haven’t got that time now. Hopefully Adams will do what Bassett did, clear out the deadwood on large contracts and buy unknown gems from reserves and lower divisions and produce a team that storms the league. Maybe he won’t, but given the current state of the club he probably has a much chance as anyone else.

 

[Houso]

dropped like a stone, a whole 4-5 places, OMG dropped like a stone is what donny have done, the brink of play offs to still a little worried about relegation.
right from the first few games of this season anyone could see we were never going to be play off or promotion contenders, mid table at best, as it happens we are where we belong for results over 40 games not as some are suggesting just the last 15-16.
im sure qpr were terrified of or promotion push.
adams hasnt done well everyone remembers collins etc as bad signings but forgets riise and vokes, selective amnesia. which decent players did previous 3 managers bring in? simmo, nosworthy, cresswell?
i do wonder what people would have said if collins, bent and the other adams signings had played well, would it then still be adams fault if players made stupid school boy mistakes?
hendo missed at least 3 great chances on saturday, was he a adams signing?
i believe even marcus bent coulda put away 2 of those chances, if hendo had we would have gone in 3-1 up at half time and probably scored a couple more, thats what i mean by the players fault more than the managers, a striker cant even get it on target twice from six yards with a header which im reminded is hendo's strong point?
sack the players or better still sue them for trades description
goal scorers that cant score, defenders that cant defend, and people want micky's head
weve got worse?
erm we beat forest and leeds under adams which other manager this season have we beat top 6 contenders?

MunXy

As Foxy said above, Donny's form this season is irrelevant, despite the subject of this thread.

Let's look at what Adams has done well.

1) He's brought in Riise on loan. Vokes... meh.
2) He's brought back the Quinny of old
3) He got two home wins

On the flipside:
1) He paid money for Neill Collins. He gave Michael Doyle a contract. He brought in Marcus Bent on loan and big wages.
2) He let Kyle Bartley go in order to secure Neill Collins. I'm letting him off on Britton.
3) He's lost or drawn the vast majority of his games in charge
4) He's continued with players who are clearly not up to it
5) He's got us relegated. We're not going to pull out of it, so let's repeat that, he's got us relegated. We weren't in the relegation places when he arrived, we have been for most of the time he's been in charge. John Carver had a better points to match ratio!

And yes, we DID drop like a stone. It doesn't matter how deep the pond is, so long as it's got a bottom you can sink to it.

As for players playing badly, he takes responsibility for that of course he does. Just like Kevin McCabe takes responsibility for fucking up every single appointment since Neil Warnock left the club.

We could have beaten QPR 17-0, but if we're at the bottom of the league and relegated, it doesn't matter. He's failed... and failed badly. Sorry Micky, you should have stayed at Port Vale. This role wasn't for you.

 

[lenners]

Could be wrong but I think Donny may have recently had an entire team worth of injured players, not something Adams has had to deal with.
I hazard a guess they'll stick with Adams because they haven't got the foggiest what else to do.
I've seen nothing whatsoever in how we've played football since Adams took over to suggest he's the man to build us a proper, sustainable future.

 

[beechblade]

2) He let Kyle Bartley go in order to secure Neill Collins

Did he though? Do you know the actual situation? It's funny how a rumour came about a few weeks before that he wanted out? I thought it was hash because of the type of character of the kid towards the younger fans. Maybe Arsene didn't want him playing in a relegation enviroment, or Arsene/Bartley didn't think he'd get as many games with a permanent defender coming in so pulled the plug.

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Could be wrong but I think Donny may have recently had an entire team worth of injured players, not something Adams has had to deal with.
I hazard a guess they'll stick with Adams because they haven't got the foggiest what else to do.
I've seen nothing whatsoever in how we've played football since Adams took over to suggest he's the man to build us a proper, sustainable future.

We have had our fare share of injury problems in the last few months. Maybe not long termers but injuries enough to upset the balance of any team.

 

[Houso]

Did he though? Do you know the actual situation? It's funny how a rumour came about a few weeks before that he wanted out? I thought it was hash because of the type of character of the kid towards the younger fans. Maybe Arsene didn't want him playing in a relegation enviroment, or Arsene/Bartley didn't think he'd get as many games with a permanent defender coming in so pulled the plug.

Adams told BBC Radio Sheffield: "We wanted to bring in another centre-half and Kyle felt it would maybe hinder his selection and wanted to leave.
"If people want to leave the club, I'm not going to stand in their way."

Obviously, you could spin this as 'if he's not up for fighting for his position, then let him go'. But, I prefer to see it as 'you've got a choice between Kyle Bartley and Neill Collins, which is like choosing between an hour of naked fun with all of the Saturdays or a hammer to the bollocks'.

Micky Adams evidently is a sado-masochist.

 

[beechblade]

Believe me I'd rather have had Bartley, and I still think Collins would have been a back up center half, especially after the defence of Parrino, Lowry, Bartley, Mattock had kept a clean sheet away at Coventry the week prior to his depature. We had utility players to fill the role but that was it, it was terribly poor that we started the season with only one permanent senior center half in the first place. Even more narrow minded than the season before.

 

[Houso]

Believe me I'd rather have had Bartley, and I still think Collins would have been a back up center half, especially after the defence of Parrino, Lowry, Bartley, Mattock had kept a clean sheet away at Coventry the week prior to his depature. We had utility players to fill the role but that was it, it was terribly poor that started the season with only one permanent senior center half in the first place. Even more narrow minded than the season before.

Agree there. After all the noises about not relying on loan players, to see us do exactly that again set the tone early on.

 

[mickle-blade]

I'm fairly sure they haven't really got an academy.

Young Fairhurst was released by us and picked up by Donny the same day he was released.
I used to work with his Dad.

 

[super_pig]

>And SOD isn't going to be a Prem manager without taking a club there himself.
he's waiting for the wolves job.. i said 6 months ago (and got panned for it) that we need a complete overhaul of the culture of the club.. i'm sick to death of being described as a 'workmanlike side' (which is a nice way of saying cloggers).. if i had the dosh i'd go straight out and get gus poyet.