A Bit of Realism, please

[pommpey]

I see a lot of people on here actively playing Championship Manager or FIFA16 with the situation at BDTBL now that the season has deflated and looks as flat as a witch's tit. Whilst it is nice to speculate and show ambition and optimism, are we all setting ourselves up for more disappointement, come late August?

I'll tell you why. McCabe has come out with a bald statementa few weeks ago that he shoved eight million into the club this season. Whilst we have a nice, new playing surface, Billy Sharp and a few stragglers, I don't see where this has gone in, unless it is servicing debt, or paying off the growing flotsam we have in our wake with regard failed managemental appointments. And recently we are another million in hock with regard operating costs.

Now everyone farts on about how much we are set on jettisoning seventeen or so players, and how much this will assumedly go into a collective rebuilding fund. But will a club with so much (apparent) liability shove that cash the way of playing staff? Especially when in the past it has 'gone cheap' and sold it's talented players?

My questions to those optimists is this:

1. Where is the fucking money coming from?
2. How much do you think, finger in the air, we will have availble to spend on players considering we ditch the out of contracts?
3. What are the targets and your assumptions on costs in both signing and wages?
4. Do you think McCabe will enable this? I mean, 'all of it' and not disappointingly re-contract desperate, gash players on reduced terms. just to pay their profligate lifestyles for meagre returns losing serially in the third division.
5. Are you on drugs?

Considering McCabe has made it bloody clear there's no more money coming in and his past behaviour, and the fact that we need a Championship squad to go up, I'd like to see your working out, please.

pommpey

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

McCabe has come out with a bald statementa

We're only going to be signing Italian players with no hair in the summer?

 

[Boxer Blade]

Is that true? Witches tits are flat? How the hell do you know that, are you itk, are you sunjihi?

 

[Barney]

We are probably going to require more net investment next season than we have needed in all of the 5 seasons we've been in league one. It is such a big rebuilding task and I cannot see McCabe or the Prince putting in the necessary funds to facilitate it to a level that would see promotion.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We're only going to be signing Italian players with no hair in the summer?

Or to be sponsored by Regaine for Men.

UTB

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We are probably going to require more net investment next season than we have needed in all of the 5 seasons we've been in league one. It is such a big rebuilding task and I cannot see McCabe or the Prince putting in the necessary funds to facilitate it.

I can , even if we have to go to the Bank , Close Brothers , Blackrock to get the funds , I can see McCabe putting in PG or cross company guarantees to fund it .

McCabe I feel will want to give it one last push and next season will be the one .

McCabe will play his part and so will Adkins .

UTB.

 

[TJB.]

I'll oblige your request with 'The End of the Working Day' by Jules Breton. Enjoy.

 

[Esablade]

I see a lot of people on here actively playing Championship Manager or FIFA16 with the situation at BDTBL now that the season has deflated and looks as flat as a witch's tit. Whilst it is nice to speculate and show ambition and optimism, are we all setting ourselves up for more disappointement, come late August?

I'll tell you why. McCabe has come out with a bald statementa few weeks ago that he shoved eight million into the club this season. Whilst we have a nice, new playing surface, Billy Sharp and a few stragglers, I don't see where this has gone in, unless it is servicing debt, or paying off the growing flotsam we have in our wake with regard failed managemental appointments. And recently we are another million in hock with regard operating costs.

Now everyone farts on about how much we are set on jettisoning seventeen or so players, and how much this will assumedly go into a collective rebuilding fund. But will a club with so much (apparent) liability shove that cash the way of playing staff? Especially when in the past it has 'gone cheap' and sold it's talented players?

My questions to those optimists is this:

1. Where is the fucking money coming from?
2. How much do you think, finger in the air, we will have availble to spend on players considering we ditch the out of contracts?
3. What are the targets and your assumptions on costs in both signing and wages?
4. Do you think McCabe will enable this? I mean, 'all of it' and not disappointingly re-contract desperate, gash players on reduced terms. just to pay their profligate lifestyles for meagre returns losing serially in the third division.
5. Are you on drugs?

Considering McCabe has made it bloody clear there's no more money coming in and his past behaviour, and the fact that we need a Championship squad to go up, I'd like to see your working out, please.

pommpey

Nah, he put in 4 million in this season, Princey put in 4 million=8 million...it just came out a bit..erm...'wrong' in the interview...
I think 'if' we have similar or even slightly less investment next season and, importantly, the right backing and recruitment before the season starts Adkins will get us up...




P.S-point 5: 5. Are you on drugs?
Yes.

 

[Darren]

I'll oblige your request with 'The End of the Working Day' by Jules Breton. Enjoy.

This guy was a realist

 

[Lane Ender]

Obviously monies will be saved by players leaving.
KM will push another couple of million in its up to Adkins to put it to use.
Better loan signings no Sammon type players.

 

[The Crab]

I see a lot of people on here actively playing Championship Manager or FIFA16 with the situation at BDTBL now that the season has deflated and looks as flat as a witch's tit. Whilst it is nice to speculate and show ambition and optimism, are we all setting ourselves up for more disappointement, come late August?

I'll tell you why. McCabe has come out with a bald statementa few weeks ago that he shoved eight million into the club this season. Whilst we have a nice, new playing surface, Billy Sharp and a few stragglers, I don't see where this has gone in, unless it is servicing debt, or paying off the growing flotsam we have in our wake with regard failed managemental appointments. And recently we are another million in hock with regard operating costs.

Now everyone farts on about how much we are set on jettisoning seventeen or so players, and how much this will assumedly go into a collective rebuilding fund. But will a club with so much (apparent) liability shove that cash the way of playing staff? Especially when in the past it has 'gone cheap' and sold it's talented players?

My questions to those optimists is this:

1. Where is the fucking money coming from?
2. How much do you think, finger in the air, we will have availble to spend on players considering we ditch the out of contracts?
3. What are the targets and your assumptions on costs in both signing and wages?
4. Do you think McCabe will enable this? I mean, 'all of it' and not disappointingly re-contract desperate, gash players on reduced terms. just to pay their profligate lifestyles for meagre returns losing serially in the third division.
5. Are you on drugs?

Considering McCabe has made it bloody clear there's no more money coming in and his past behaviour, and the fact that we need a Championship squad to go up, I'd like to see your working out, please.

pommpey

I'll have a wild stab.

1. I don't know, but my gut feeling is that there won't be as much money available as some people might think. But we should still grasp the nettle and get rid of the contracts that are ending.

2. Not much, I think we will be reliant on players who have been released from other teams. There won't be millions in the pot.

3. My ideal targets would be young hungry players, with a smattering of experience also.

4. No, again my gut feeling is that it will be more rinse & repeat. There'll be some sort of half arsed compromise.

5. No, but I wish I was.

 

[pommpey]

Obviously monies will be saved by players leaving.

This is what I am on about. How much?

KM will push another couple of million in its up to Adkins to put it to use.

And again. You know that for certain? What has McCabe said which I have missed which gives you that impression? You say 'also'. So that is 'on top' of the assumed xmillion saved by non renewal of contracts? Or is that 'just the non renewal of contracts money'?

Better loan signings no Sammon type players.

Hang on. Didn't McCabe and Adkins allude to trying to stop loanees as they are counterproductive?

pommpey

 

[Ricky]

I've said before that we really need to be targeting free agents, and getting the deals done as quickly as possible.

I don't expect a big transfer budget but there's undoubtedly going to be a big reduction in the wage bill which will give us plenty of leeway, not only to pay the wages for free agents but loan signings as well - and not expensive ones pushing 30.

Our wage bill will remain one of the highest. We'll still have more to spend than most. We could even be lucky enough to get good money for Brayford or Adams.

It is doable to put together a good squad if we're managed intelligently and commit to what we're doing. Massive question marks there though unfortunately.

 

[grafikhaus]

Wigan, maybe. But how much have Burton, Walsall, Bradford, Millwall, Gillingham and Barnsley spent? Not much, I bet. But two of them will be leaving us behind when they take their place in the Championship. At this level, it's not all about money.

 

[BushBlade]

Nah, he put in 4 million in this season, Princey put in 4 million=8 million...it just came out a bit..erm...'wrong' in the interview...
I think 'if' we have similar or even slightly less investment next season and, importantly, the right backing and recruitment before the season starts Adkins will get us up...




P.S-point 5: 5. Are you on drugs?
Yes.

£8m or £16m I'd be calling in a forensic accountant to find out what the fuck is going on because something doesn't look right. Unless, of course, I'd authorised that level of expenditure last season thinking it would guarantee promotion and not really considering how much it might cost me if we didn't go up.

 

[Lane Ender]

And again. You know that for certain? What has McCabe said which I have missed which gives you that impression? You say 'also'. So that is 'on top' of the assumed xmillion saved by non renewal of contracts? Or is that 'just the non renewal of contracts money'?

If KM and HRH will invest a similar amount next season from their own pockets its how wisely Adkins spends it

 

[Lane Ender]

Our wage bill will remain one of the highest. We'll still have more to spend than most. We could even be lucky enough to get good money for Brayford or Adams.

Be lucky to get £100,000 tops for those two at the moment both have a lot to do.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Considering McCabe has made it bloody clear there's no more money coming in and his past behaviour, and the fact that we need a Championship squad to go up, I'd like to see your working out, please.

pommpey

Has he?

Do we know if the Prince is making further investment or is he done with the contractually obliged amount?

Not having a bloated squad, not having to fork out to acquire a new manager would be a start in terms of plugging the financial leaks.

A smaller squad supplemented by youth has to be the way to go in terms of balancing the books v being competitive.

1. Long
2. Brayford
3. K. Wallace
4.
5.
6. Basham
7. Coutts
8. Hammond
9. Adams
10. Sharp
11. Done
12. McGahey
13. Ramsdale
14. Whiteman
15. Reed
16 . Woolford
17. DCL
18. DdG
19. Wright
20. Kelly
21. Brooks

Out go
Howard
Harris
Freeman
Kennedy
McEveley
Flynn
Cuvelier
Wallace
Scougall
McFadzean
McNulty
JCR
Sammon


2 new centre halves are a must. Whether that's Edgar and Baptiste or two new faces I don't know.

We could then do with a really good box to box midfielder, a powerful physical target man and an experienced GK for cover/competition for Long but it all depends on what the budget will allow. I can't see us paying big fees and think we'll need to use free transfers and loans well if we're going to mount a challenge.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Has he?

Do we know if the Prince is making further investment or is he done with the contractually obliged amount?

Not having a bloated squad, not having to fork out to acquire a new manager would be a start in terms of plugging the financial leaks.

A smaller squad supplemented by youth has to be the way to go in terms of balancing the books v being competitive.

1. Long
2. Brayford
3. K. Wallace
4.
5.
6. Basham
7. Coutts
8. Hammond
9. Adams
10. Sharp
11. Done
12. McGahey
13. Ramsdale
14. Whiteman
15. Reed
16 . Woolford
17. DCL
18. DdG
19. Wright
20. Kelly
21. Brooks

Out go
Howard
Harris
Freeman
Kennedy
McEveley
Flynn
Cuvelier
Wallace
Scougall
McFadzean
McNulty
JCR
Sammon


2 new centre halves are a must. Whether that's Edgar and Baptiste or two new faces I don't know.

We could then do with a really good box to box midfielder, a powerful physical target man and an experienced GK for cover/competition for Long but it all depends on what the budget will allow. I can't see us paying big fees and think we'll need to use free transfers and loans well if we're going to mount a challenge.

Does any one have any proof that there was a "contractually obliged amount" It seems to be a forum myth, unless I've missed some interview or press release.

 

[BushBlade]

Has he?

Do we know if the Prince is making further investment or is he done with the contractually obliged amount?

Not having a bloated squad, not having to fork out to acquire a new manager would be a start in terms of plugging the financial leaks.

A smaller squad supplemented by youth has to be the way to go in terms of balancing the books v being competitive.

1. Long
2. Brayford
3. K. Wallace
4.
5.
6. Basham
7. Coutts
8. Hammond
9. Adams
10. Sharp
11. Done
12. McGahey
13. Ramsdale
14. Whiteman
15. Reed
16 . Woolford
17. DCL
18. DdG
19. Wright
20. Kelly
21. Brooks

Out go
Howard
Harris
Freeman
Kennedy
McEveley
Flynn
Cuvelier
Wallace
Scougall
McFadzean
McNulty
JCR
Sammon


2 new centre halves are a must. Whether that's Edgar and Baptiste or two new faces I don't know.

We could then do with a really good box to box midfielder, a powerful physical target man and an experienced GK for cover/competition for Long but it all depends on what the budget will allow. I can't see us paying big fees and think we'll need to use free transfers and loans well if we're going to mount a challenge.

So we're going to release a load of average players to sign some more average players on frees?

Just assuming KM's figure of £8m is right and being generous in the belief that he meant £8m between them, the money saved by releasing the players, even if we release all of those out of contract, isn't even going to be half of that.

 

[Torrix1889]

I see a lot of people on here actively playing Championship Manager or FIFA16 with the situation at BDTBL now that the season has deflated and looks as flat as a witch's tit. Whilst it is nice to speculate and show ambition and optimism, are we all setting ourselves up for more disappointement, come late August?

I'll tell you why. McCabe has come out with a bald statementa few weeks ago that he shoved eight million into the club this season. Whilst we have a nice, new playing surface, Billy Sharp and a few stragglers, I don't see where this has gone in, unless it is servicing debt, or paying off the growing flotsam we have in our wake with regard failed managemental appointments. And recently we are another million in hock with regard operating costs.

Now everyone farts on about how much we are set on jettisoning seventeen or so players, and how much this will assumedly go into a collective rebuilding fund. But will a club with so much (apparent) liability shove that cash the way of playing staff? Especially when in the past it has 'gone cheap' and sold it's talented players?

My questions to those optimists is this:

1. Where is the fucking money coming from?
2. How much do you think, finger in the air, we will have availble to spend on players considering we ditch the out of contracts?
3. What are the targets and your assumptions on costs in both signing and wages?
4. Do you think McCabe will enable this? I mean, 'all of it' and not disappointingly re-contract desperate, gash players on reduced terms. just to pay their profligate lifestyles for meagre returns losing serially in the third division.
5. Are you on drugs?

Considering McCabe has made it bloody clear there's no more money coming in and his past behaviour, and the fact that we need a Championship squad to go up, I'd like to see your working out, please.

pommpey

We don't need a Championship squad to go up, that is exactly where we have been going wrong. We need players who know the lower leagues

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Does any one have any proof that there was a "contractually obliged amount" It seems to be a forum myth, unless I've missed some interview or press release.

I thought at the time the investment was announced it was said that the Prince got half the club for £1 in exchange for an agreement to invest a certain amount into the playing squad. Can't remember the wording but surely you wouldn't give half the club away without a specified sum to be invested?

 

[Lane Ender]

2 new centre halves are a must. Whether that's Edgar and Baptiste or two new faces I don't know

Baptiste please, Edgar no thanks

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So we're going to release a load of average players to sign some more average players on frees?

Just assuming KM's figure of £8m is right and being generous in the belief that he meant £8m between them, the money saved by releasing the players, even if we release all of those out of contract, isn't even going to be half of that.

Yes. But average players who want to be here, who want to improve and who buy into the Adkins way in the hope of generating a spirit and a team that is more than the sum of it's parts. And hopefully one or two will prove themselves to be better that what we had.

I can't see us breaking even when we're in this league. I think McCabe and the Prince know that some level of subsidy is going to be required. But I expect it to be reduced from this season and last where we've had a huge squad.

Hopefully now Clough is back in work we won't be paying him and his staff anymore either.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Baptiste please, Edgar no thanks

I agree Baptiste looks the better of the two but Edgar is probably the more realistic. I don't know if we can do better than him in the free transfer market or what funds will be available to try.

 

[Lane Ender]

We don't need a Championship squad to go up, that is exactly where we have been going wrong. We need players who know the lower leagues

Spot on with our best youngsters mixed in

 

[Lane Ender]

I agree Baptiste looks the better of the two but Edgar is probably the more realistic. I don't know if we can do better than him in the free transfer market or what funds will be available to try.

We can do better than Edgar

 

[Sean Thornton]

I thought at the time the investment was announced it was said that the Prince got half the club for £1 in exchange for an agreement to invest a certain amount into the playing squad. Can't remember the wording but surely you wouldn't give half the club away without a specified sum to be invested?

He had to put ten million in for half the shareholding. I expect they thought that would be enough to get us to the next level. I doubt they thought they'd have to put more in before we were in the Championship. Delusion on a WHF level.

The "certain amount" is simply a guess as to the reality of the situation. Nobody knows.

The Club wasn't sold for a pound. Half of Blades Leisure Ltd was. Pedantic but true.

 

[The Crab]

He had to put ten million in for half the shareholding. I expect they thought that would be enough to get us to the next level. I doubt they thought they'd have to put more in before we were in the Championship. Delusion on a WHF level.

The "certain amount" is simply a guess as to the reality of the situation. Nobody knows.

The Club wasn't sold for a pound. Half of Blades Leisure Ltd was. Pedantic but true.

So one would think that it would take another substantial figure (in the low millions at least) to kick on next season? I'm not sure how likely that would be if they think the intial 10 million should have been enough.

 

[mattbianco1]

McCabe has come out with a bald statementa few weeks ago that he shoved eight million into the club this season.

For arguments sake. Let's say we have 22 pros on an average of £5k a week. That's £5.72m right there.

By not renewing contracts that saves money and we don't have to pay them off etc. Downside being we also won't receive a transfer fee.

Let's say we release 10 players on £5k, that's £2.6m to spend on new wages. If we then sign 5 good players on £10k each we are no worse off (other than Transfer Fees and Signing on fees).

Not saying that will happen, but it could.

10 average players out, 5 good players in + we are blooding the youngsters. There will be good free agents available in the summer, we just need to get in early.
Look at S6 - Ross Wallace, he's easily worth £1.5-£2m. He cost nothing.