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dazzlingblade said:
and how much have we lost after 6 seasons in league one? oh and then there is ffp which you guys who like to moan at every opportunity always seem to ignore, we have had six years of lower income, where do you think the money is going to come from,
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The owners? Where else? However I concede the point to a degree as to be honest I haven't been paying that much attention to the rumour mill this season so didn't realise we had those kind of bids on the table. The bids makes things a lot better but personally I am hoping for a considerable net spend
 



Barney said:
The owners? Where else? However I concede the point to a degree as to be honest I haven't been paying that much attention to the rumour mill this season so didn't realise we had those kind of bids on the table. Those bids makes things a lot better but personally I am hoping for a considerable net spend.
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as far as im aware under ffp owners can only invest if the club can prove they can run without a net loss for the next 3 years, its very stringent for owner investment, frankly im delighted with how much it seems were tryng to spend, there aint many sides trying to spend what we are
 
I'll be surprised if we don't spend another £2m.

That would take the overall spend to just under £4m, which is a bit more than I expected us to spend. But it does make you wonder what we would've done without the Walker/Maguire money.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Are you simple or just on the wind up ?
We've been the divisions biggest spenders for years.
Paid 1.5 mil on a right back, that kind of ambition is quite rare in league 1.

This Summers spending hasn't finished.
Are you going to apologise on here when we splash the cash?
Bet you don't, if we spend 2 million you'll say it should be 4 million
If we spend 4 million you'll say it should have been 8 million.
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I personally don't care what we spend or don't spend. But the additional £7 million in sell on clause was totally unexpected and not budgeted for
It was an additional and unexpected windfall

Year after year our fans talk drivel about overspending clubs falling on their arses but it doesn't happen.

Its just romantic drivel that one day they will all getting their come uppance for taking the game beyond 1970"s Sheffield United and the game will return back to those good old days when....err. we still decided not to fucking compete
 
I've not paid much attention to the rumour mill!. I just hope we can get 2/3 quality reinforcements in before the end of the month?. I M O. In wilder we trust!. Utb
 
JJBlade said:
I personally don't care what we spend or don't spend. But the additional £7 million in sell on clause was totally unexpected and not budgeted for
It was an additional and unexpected windfall

Year after year our fans talk drivel about overspending clubs falling on their arses but it doesn't happen.

Its just romantic drivel that one day they will all getting their come uppance for taking the game beyond 1970"s Sheffield United and the game will return back to those good old days when....err. we still decided not to fucking compete
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and how much do you think 6 seasons in league 1 has cost us, i would argue a lot more than 7m in lost revenue, im fucking glad your not an accountant, and to be honest your agenda is getting really boring now, you argue the toss but always ignore comments you cant possibly have an argument against
 
The club has already said that they are keeping some funds back for the January transfer window because by Jan18 they'll have a clearer picture of where the squad strengths and weaknesses are. Which seems sensible and logical to me.

Unless it's just an excuse not to spend any money this transfer window.

We'll see what the spending is but I've very confident that Wilder will be supported with funds to make us competitive. If I'm wrong then I'll apologise and be in shock but we aren't going to be promoted then do the bare minimum just to try and finish 4th from bottom. They would deserve relegation if they do things on the cheap.
 
We really do need new investment / owners if we want to be competing for the premiership in the next few seasons. We should be an attractive club to people looking to invest in one.
 
dazzlingblade said:
as far as im aware under ffp owners can only invest if the club can prove they can run without a net loss for the next 3 years, its very stringent for owner investment,
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Fair enough if that's true, I thought it was much more relaxed.
 
hmmmmmm i did find this which seems to mean some investment is allowed but not a lotm its fucking complicated


3) Are clubs no longer allowed to have losses?

To be exact, clubs can spend up to €5million more than they earn per assessment period (three years). However it can exceed this level to a certain limit, if it is entirely covered by a direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s) or a related party. This prevents the build-up of unsustainable debt.

The limits are:
• €45m for assessment periods 2013/14 and 2014/15
• €30m for assessment periods 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18

In order to promote investment in stadiums, training facilities, youth development and women’s football (from 2015), all such costs are excluded from the break-even calculation.
 
dazzlingblade said:
ffs how many more times, its more than a million spent already, and with bids in its around 7m so far made available, but i guess admitting the facts doesn't suit your agenda
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Yes we might spend a bit more before the end of January
But you can't include signings we haven't made
We will not get Coady for what we have offered
We did not get Holmes for what we offered
We did not get Leonard for what we offered

The team might be good enough to stay up already but we still need mprovement

It needn't cost an absolute fortune and I think Wilder will get what's needed over the next two or three years to have us challenging

But the first year of those improvements should have started this season, and up to now I don't think we're any better than we finished last season
 
There's no way we've only spent £1m. Laughed when I saw it :D

You only have to look at half the players we have signed and where they came from to know we've spent somewhere between £2 - 3m so far.

Stearman alone will have cost somewhere close to £1m. Fulham don't have to give players away. Then you have Baldock and Lundstram, both highly rated by their former clubs and must have cost somewhere between 250-500k each I would guess.

I believe we also paid fees for Thomas and Ched. Even with a totally uninformed but educated guess surely anyone could see all of those players wouldn't have totalled a combined £1m in fees! If they did then our directors really are master negotiators.

£1m! :eek: You can't get a decent centre back pairing for that now!
 
JJBlade said:
Yes we might spend a bit more before the end of January
But you can't include signings we haven't made
We will not get Coady for what we have offered
We did not get Holmes for what we offered
We did not get Leonard for what we offered

The team might be good enough to stay up already but we still need mprovement

It needn't cost an absolute fortune and I think Wilder will get what's needed over the next two or three years to have us challenging

But the first year of those improvements should have started this season, and up to now I don't think we're any better than we finished last season
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you still refuse to admit a minimum of 7m has been made available just for fees, if all 3 of those bids had been accepted we would now have spent 7m, so yes you can count it as money made available, if we had given up on those players before the next bid went in i would agree with you, but we didn't, we have multiple bids in at once
 



dazzlingblade said:
and how much do you think 6 seasons in league 1 has cost us, i would argue a lot more than 7m in lost revenue, im fucking glad your not an accountant, and to be honest your agenda is getting really boring now, you argue the toss but always ignore comments you cant possibly have an argument against
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Clubs end up in League One and League Two through either lack of Investment or by investing poorly

Investing money does not guarantee liquidation like the club have bent half of our supporters minds to believe

I believe we are three players short of not giving our supporters heart failures throughout this season. Three players who will not only make this season more comfortable for us but also set us up for next season as well
 
JJBlade said:
Clubs end up in League One and League Two through either lack of Investment or by investing poorly

Investing money does not guarantee liquidation like the club have bent half of our supporters minds to believe

I believe we are three players short of not giving our supporters heart failures throughout this season. Three players who will not only make this season more comfortable for us but also set us up for next season as well
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funnily enough wilder also thinks this by having bids in for 3 players, so why are you still unhappy??
 
JJBlade said:
Because we haven't got them yet
Offers for players mean nothing when you're not even in the same vicinity as the selling club
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i give up, its a waste of time with you, you ignore facts and just spout crap, i enjoy a decent debate but you never give an inch, even with the facts staring you in the face, if i ever got as bitter as you id give up on football and go fishing or something instead
 
dazzlingblade said:
i give up, its a waste of time with you, you ignore facts and just spout crap, i enjoy a decent debate but you never give an inch, even with the facts staring you in the face, if i ever got as bitter as you id give up on football and go fishing or something instead
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What facts ???

We have spoken to three clubs about three players and offered a derisory amount for each

We might as well show some real ambition and offer £20 million for Messi
 
Bladesman said:
Well we still think selling our youngsters for circa 1 to 2million is good business.

The prices of players in the Championship has doubled since we were last here and we need wake up to that fact. Even the bang average Championship dross we used to sign when were last in this division has doubled in price.

We will have to spend a little bit more if we want to avoid a relegation scrap.
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We haven't sold a youngster in the championship.
 
JJBlade said:
Even more pathetic when an additional £7 million in sell ons has been brought in.

But hey, this is United.
If there's a cheap way of doing it we'll do it, and when our couple of good players want to leave to better themselves it will be a disaster
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The entire reason we dropped into league one and stayed there for many years was for the exact opppsite of "finding a cheap way of doing things".
 
JJBlade said:
What facts ???

We have spoken to three clubs about three players and offered a derisory amount for each

We might as well show some real ambition and offer £20 million for Messi
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What did we offer and how far away from what they wanted was the offer?
 
JJBlade said:
Clubs end up in League One and League Two through either lack of Investment or by investing poorly

Investing money does not guarantee liquidation like the club have bent half of our supporters minds to believe

I believe we are three players short of not giving our supporters heart failures throughout this season. Three players who will not only make this season more comfortable for us but also set us up for next season as well
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Any chance to a link of the owners mentioning investing money not guaranteeing liquidation (whatever that statement means because it makes no sense whatsoever) as a possibility ?

Or that half our fans appear to believe something that's never been said?
 
During the close season we've discussed all kinds of topics but I didn't notice any major concerns about us not spending enough or questioning our recruitment policy until today.

Nothing to do with losing a game yesterday is it?

Have faith chaps! We've always been frugal. The manager will bring in players capable of making us a competitive force in this division - and we are already showing we can be that. Just need a little bit more pace and quality here and there.
 



JJBlade said:
Clubs end up in League One and League Two through either lack of Investment or by investing poorly

Investing money does not guarantee liquidation like the club have bent half of our supporters minds to believe

I believe we are three players short of not giving our supporters heart failures throughout this season. Three players who will not only make this season more comfortable for us but also set us up for next season as well
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And so speaketh the Viv Nicholson of Bramall Lane.
Investing poorly is very easy, most clubs will have done it at some time or other, some (Newcastle, Blackburn, Wednesday?) more than others.
Some have very, very rich owners.
Our owners are trying to find a sensible path between the club being a going concern and being successful.
 
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