A Bit of Realism, please

[1danewhitehouse]

I'd definitely agree with this. Being better at this level is not rocket science - you need a core of hard, determined young players reinforced by 'wise old heads'. Most teams who come to the Lane have this and that's why most of them go away with a result. It really should be easy - show them the stadium, the crowds and - if that doesn't impress them - take them for a drive around the Peak District. Think they'd want to go to Wigan or Walsall then?

We missed a trick the other year when Donnie beat us at the Lane. Anybody could see that Rob Jones was exactly the kind of player we needed. Probably more than Maguire.

No excuses next season.

Donny didn’t beat us at the lane last year. We won 3-1 earlier this season and 3-2 last season. In fact, we’ve won our last four games against Donny since they came down. I think we drew both games against them in 2012-13 when they went up. We’ve not lost to them since we were in the championship if my memory serves me correctly.


Agree though that a Rob Jones type centre half is handy at this level. Nigel Adkins also held that opinion when he signed him for Scunny to get them promoted.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No it wasn't. There was no specified amount because it was always going to be a moving feast. The £10m first tranch and half of the £8m are sums to date and the moving feast will only become a known amount when we get to the Premier League which was the target mentioned when the prince joined us.

Half the club change hands for "£1 plus the promise of providing substantial new capital with the aim of returning the Blades to the Premier League as soon as possible." The eventual amount could be any number and the time scale goodness knows when.

Cheers for that. Couldn't remember the specific detail.

 

[blade too long]

think its fair to say if mccabe says hes pumped 8 million this season , its not necessarily on purchases ,, a director at any football club could spend that on a bloated squads wages , say 250k a month over the odds adding up to 3 mill a couple of mill on signings a new pitch ,, all sorts of running costs going up over 12 months adds up
If I were a multi millionaire being a football chairman would soon get me down to working at B and Q on the tills

football clubs are money pits
unless your in the prem and suckling off the tv cash cow

if someone replaced him , theyd have to put in 10 million a year to stay even

 

[Woodwardfan]

He had to put ten million in for half the shareholding. I expect they thought that would be enough to get us to the next level. I doubt they thought they'd have to put more in before we were in the Championship. Delusion on a WHF level.

The "certain amount" is simply a guess as to the reality of the situation. Nobody knows.

The Club wasn't sold for a pound. Half of Blades Leisure Ltd was. Pedantic but true.

£10m for half the shareholding? Just a guess/ opinion, not a fact. Not quite right Sean is it? Come on lad, take it on the chin

 

[Jan Age]

Hard to disagree with that. Filling the side with "good L1" players sounds good but they'd likely be contracted while we were in the league above and if they can't step up are a drain on resources. The best scouts in the country aren't going to get a L1 squad together and all of them will improve enough for championship football. Not to stay in there as you say.

I believe if you find good league 1 players at the right age you have more chance of developing them whilst moving up divisions. Than doing what we presently do which is buy below average Championship players on a downward curve.

 

[Sean Thornton]

£10m for half the shareholding? Just a guess/ opinion, not a fact. Not quite right Sean is it? Come on lad, take it on the chin

No it's a fact. It's in the accounts and on the annual return. Might not be on Wiki but that's probably not up to date and that's whats confusing you.

You really aren't very good at this are you?

I believe if you find good league 1 players at the right age you have more chance of developing them whilst moving up divisions. Than doing what we presently do which is buy below average Championship players on a downward curve.

Obviously you shouldn't buy players on a downward curve, whatever the level. If your buying L1 players they need to be ones you genuinely believe can make the step up.

Ancient history but in the 4th division season we signed Edwards, Morris and Waugh. All capable of playing at a higher level.

 

[Woodwardfan]

No it's a fact. It's in the accounts and on the annual return. Might not be on Wiki but that's probably not up to date and that's whats confusing you.

You really aren't very good at this are you?






Obviously you shouldn't buy players on a downward curve, whatever the level. If your buying L1 players they need to be ones you genuinely believe can make the step up.

Ancient history but in the 4th division season we signed Edwards, Morris and Waugh. All capable of playing at a higher level.

Well, well, well, talk about boot on the other foot so soon.

You posted " he had to put £10m for half the shareholding".

This morning you were preaching to me about admitting mistakes, taking it on the chin etc. So funny.

You've made it up Sean. It may be in the accounts but for all you know he put twice the amount "he had to", or half or whatever.you made it up. For all you know that £10m is the first instalment of a number.

Now I wouldn't be as bothered, wouldn't even have mentioned it, but after the big deal you made out of the Jamie Murphy comment, I have to say your chickens are home to roost. Take it on the chin and move on.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well, well, well, talk about boot on the other foot so soon.

You posted " he had to put £10m for half the shareholding".

This morning you were preaching to me about admitting mistakes, taking it on the chin etc. So funny.

You've made it up Sean. It may be in the accounts but for all you know he put twice the amount "he had to", or half or whatever.you made it up. For all you know that £10m is the first instalment of a number.

Now I wouldn't be as bothered, wouldn't even have mentioned it, but after the big deal you made out of the Jamie Murphy comment, I have to say your chickens are home to roost. Take it on the chin and move on.

He's now paid £14 million for shares . Fact.

I know the initial sum for shareholding was ten million because that's the amount of debt McCabe transferred to shares, matching the Prince, the balance of his thirty seven million put to a share premium account. If that hadn't been the initial agreement how come their investments match up.

I said originally you weren't very good at this but it seems you just don't have a clue.

Either that or you're desperate to try to level things up after your silly comments over Murphy.

Whichever it is you're making yourself look daft.

 

[Jonboy60]

Is that true? Witches tits are flat? How the hell do you know that, are you itk, are you sunjihi?

My ex's tits were flat, so it must be true.

 

[Jonboy60]

We are probably going to require more net investment next season than we have needed in all of the 5 seasons we've been in league one. It is such a big rebuilding task and I cannot see McCabe or the Prince putting in the necessary funds to facilitate it to a level that would see promotion.

That's why people are proposing wilder, he's done it on a budget at Northampton. Can Adkins do it, on meagre resources.

 

[Woodwardfan]

He's now paid £14 million for shares . Fact.

I know the initial sum for shareholding was ten million because that's the amount of debt McCabe transferred to shares, matching the Prince, the balance of his thirty seven million put to a share premium account. If that hadn't been the initial agreement how come their investments match up.

I said originally you weren't very good at this but it seems you just don't have a clue.

Either that or you're desperate to try to level things up after your silly comments over Murphy.

Whichever it is you're making yourself look daft.

Sean you are wriggling, deflecting the point!!!

So funny. You're guessing and you know it. You haven't a single clue what the agreement is, admit it, "take it on the chin"

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean you are wriggling, deflecting the point!!!

So funny. You're guessing and you know it. You haven't a single clue what the agreement is, admit it, "take it on the chin"

I know you are getting giddy but ask yourself why McCabe only put ten million into share capital and not more or less for that matter of his thirty seven million. Then try to focus on why the initial deal was for ten million each.

You really are a very bitter old man.

 

[JJBlade]

I'm sick of this club and all it's realism, that's all we've ever had.

We can't do this
We can't do that
We're unlucky
Boo hoo hoo

Meanwhile everybody else just gets on with it, takes the bad times and gets through it.
Then every so often produces a fantastic team that their supporters can be proud of.

Why can't it be us that has fantasy just for once

 

[Jan Age]

Obviously you shouldn't buy players on a downward curve, whatever the level. If your buying L1 players they need to be ones you genuinely believe can make the step up.

Ancient history but in the 4th division season we signed Edwards, Morris and Waugh. All capable of playing at a higher level.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, maybe I should have been more specific on the original post.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Wish some millionaire blades fans would stick there money where there mouth is and get a consortium together to buy these useless fuckers out.

 

[Tezza1889]

When did McCabe say he and the prince won't invest any more? DO you have a link? I only remember McCabe saying the club needed to cut costs and be self sufficient before the prince came on board. I've not heard anything since saying there will be no more investment.

From mcabe, over two years ago, he's openly said he had spent all he could on united in terms of investment to take the club forward, hence trying to get any old bugger on board, as seen in the Robson / channel four expose where we were the club Bing touted around, servicing the debt was another term used...

As for the prince, his investment has been widely reported as not forthcoming until we get tot the championship...so it's a chicken and egg scenario... I can research all this if you'd like me to, but my memory's a bit bulletproof so trust me, if you have doubts, why didn't we spend anything in January as everybody including the manager expected..not hoped....expected...

 

[Woodwardfan]

I know you are getting giddy but ask yourself why McCabe only put ten million into share capital and not more or less for that matter of his thirty seven million. Then try to focus on why the initial deal was for ten million each.

You really are a very bitter old man.

My position on this topic is in post 60 on this thread which is why I know you are wrong on this occasion.

'Bitter old man'? Old yes, no room for bitterness, though I do resent the big deal you made over my Murphy comments and that is the sole reason I acted out of character and more like you, a slight dig for a change but no personal abuse or animosity please note, just recycled a few adjectives you had fired at me above.

Anyway, another day, let's move on and get giddy elsewhere, that's what it's all about. Great to be giddy at our age.

Just think if we supported Barcelona we'd be distraught this morning, far from giddy
lovely word is 'giddy'.

 

[pommpey]

Just think if we supported Barcelona we'd be distraught this morning, far from giddy

I could live with losing to Athletico Madrid in the Champions League. Especially if we had stars above the Blades badge and Messi, Iniesta and Neymar playing for us at some or other time.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

My position on this topic is in post 60 on this thread which is why I know you are wrong on this occasion.

'Bitter old man'? Old yes, no room for bitterness, though I do resent the big deal you made over my Murphy comments and that is the sole reason I acted out of character and more like you, a slight dig for a change but no personal abuse or animosity please note, just recycled a few adjectives you had fired at me above.

Anyway, another day, let's move on and get giddy elsewhere, that's what it's all about. Great to be giddy at our age.

Just think if we supported Barcelona we'd be distraught this morning, far from giddy
lovely word is 'giddy'.

HRH paid ten million quid for ten million shares initially. Matched by McCabe so they are equal. Are you disputing that?

 

[pommpey]

HRH paid ten million quid for ten million shares initially. Matched by McCabe so they are equal. Are you disputing that?

That's how I interpreted it, at the time. HRH owns half the company for his 10m investment.

Some here were saying much of that went to pay off Weir and his staff, and fund the employment of Cluff.

So that was ten million bucks shat down the pan then. No wonder he stays away from BDTBL.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

HRH paid ten million quid for ten million shares initially. Matched by McCabe so they are equal. Are you disputing that?

Another day, let's move on. I don't wish to add to what I've posted anyway.

 

[finlaytheblade]

If McCabe has stopped putting money in where's the 8 million come from which has gone into equity or am I being a bit nieve here.Losing money like we are surely means McCabe has to keep investing along side the prince.As for not giving Adkins Skope for building a squad thatwould surely be counter productive.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Another day, let's move on. I don't wish to add to what I've posted anyway.

The answers always in the detail. As with your Murphy fantasy, you struggle when it comes down to the facts.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The answers always in the detail. As with your Murphy fantasy, you struggle when it comes down to the facts.

Let it pass Sean, move on. You sound like a bitter man, not exactly a barrel of laughs anyway

 

[1danewhitehouse]

From mcabe, over two years ago, he's openly said he had spent all he could on united in terms of investment to take the club forward, hence trying to get any old bugger on board, as seen in the Robson / channel four expose where we were the club Bing touted around, servicing the debt was another term used...

As for the prince, his investment has been widely reported as not forthcoming until we get tot the championship...so it's a chicken and egg scenario... I can research all this if you'd like me to, but my memory's a bit bulletproof so trust me, if you have doubts, why didn't we spend anything in January as everybody including the manager expected..not hoped....expected...

I’m not saying we will invest significantly in the summer but since saying that, McCabe claims he and the prince have poured £8million in this year alone.


There’s lots of talk of more investment from the prince in the championship but I don’t think anyone in an official capacity has said categorically there will not be any more in the meantime.


I take your point re January and agree that we certainly seem to be scaling back in terms of the size of the squad and wage bill. But I don’t think that means there will be no investment at all from McCabe and the Prince as they will still need to put some money in for the running costs.


Someone on here reported that McCabe said we’ll have a wage budget on £7million next season (same as this apparently). If we really can have a similar wage budget, cutting the quantity, drastically should make room for some better quality but I don’t think any of us know for sure and scepticism is entirely justified, Baxter, Collins, Higdon, Flynn etc. won’t be on peanuts.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I’m not saying we will invest significantly in the summer but since saying that, McCabe claims he and the prince have poured £8million in this year alone.


There’s lots of talk of more investment from the prince in the championship but I don’t think anyone in an official capacity has said categorically there will not be any more in the meantime.


I take your point re January and agree that we certainly seem to be scaling back in terms of the size of the squad and wage bill. But I don’t think that means there will be no investment at all from McCabe and the Prince as they will still need to put some money in for the running costs.


Someone on here reported that McCabe said we’ll have a wage budget on £7million next season (same as this apparently). If we really can have a similar wage budget, cutting the quantity, drastically should make room for some better quality but I don’t think any of us know for sure and scepticism is entirely justified, Baxter, Collins, Higdon, Flynn etc. won’t be on peanuts.

If we have a player wage budget of £7m then the owners are throwing money at this club. If our consecutive managers can't get us promotion with a £7m wage budget they should do something else with their time. I would like to bet that Clough's current club have a player wage budget only just over half of £7m.

This is the point I've been making for months, years in fact, on SUFC budgets we should be at the level above long ago.

The fans can do no more, the Board can't buy " just a couple more quality players" on top of that.

Surely it can't be £7m.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If we have a player wage budget of £7m then the owners are throwing money at this club. If our consecutive managers can't get us promotion with a £7m wage budget they should do something else with their time. I would like to bet that Clough's current club have a player wage budget only just over half of £7m.

This is the point I've been making for months, years in fact, on SUFC budgets we should be at the level above long ago.

The fans can do no more, the Board can't buy " just a couple more quality players" on top of that.

Surely it can't be £7m.

Not sure, just took that figure from a post I saw on here.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not sure, just took that figure from a post I saw on here.

Where's Sean, he's the detail man. I don't have a copy of the 2015 accounts but I sense the £7m will be all wages in the company.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Where's Sean, he's the detail man. I don't have a copy of the 2015 accounts but I sense the £7m will be all wages in the company.

Could be, like I say, I was just repeating what someone said on here. I don't have the time or inclination to go rifling through the accounts.