Mutual Consent and Chris Wilder - A Post From Yesterday

[PeteBlade]

That got to 2 major cup semi finals and stormed up the league beating all before them the season before.

Yes there were negatives but lots of positives. Adkins tenure has not reached anywhere near the heights of Clough's.

The first semi final with a squad including 3 main players not available to Adkins.

We "stormed up the league" due to how shite we were when taken over and still got battered 3-0 at the likes of Crewe.

Yes there were definitely highs, but much like Warnock's tenure, people seem to blot out the many many lows.

 

[Bladepicker]

The first semi final with a squad including 3 main players not available to Adkins.

We "stormed up the league" due to how shite we were when taken over and still got battered 3-0 at the likes of Crewe.

Yes there were definitely highs, but much like Warnock's tenure, people seem to blot out the many many lows.

Of course there were lows. But many highs, sustained periods of winning football and evidence in Murphy, Flynn, Doyle and even Harry that Clough was able to get the best out of some of his players.

Adkins has shown none of that so far.

 

[PeteBlade]

Of course there were lows. But many highs, sustained periods of winning football and evidence in Murphy, Flynn, Doyle and even Harry that Clough was able to get the best out of some of his players.

Adkins has shown none of that so far.

I bet he'd have loved the chance to get the best out of Murphy and Harry.

Doyle is an amusing one given how much abuse he got and how many almost entirely blamed him for how bad we were.

 

[Bladepicker]

Doyle is an amusing one given how much abuse he got and how many almost entirely blamed him for how bad we were.

When Clough came we would have shipped Murphy off to league 1 in Scotland he was that bad.

Under Adkins players have gone backwards. All of his major season signings bar Sharp have been really poor.

If you thought we were mediocre under Clough based on his results and the heights we could perform under him, then Adkins team is worse than mediocre. That's the rub.

There were plenty of positives you could pinpoint under NC. Yet under Adkins there are none. I really cannot think of one positive thing he has done for us on a football sense. We have gone backwards and his tactics, team selections and more worryingly substitutions and changes made within games have been nothing short of bewildering.

There is no way on earth anyone can say he has been better than or even on a par with Clough. So if you wanted Clough out so badly, I struggle to see why the mass support for NA?

 

[blader]

Are you saying the signings of Sammon, Woolford, Edgar and Hammond were forced upon him?

No.

 

[JohnDenver]

I struggle to see why the mass support for NA?

If his first season had followed a spell of success at SUFC we'd have had protests in the carpark about him. But I think fans realise there's more wrong here than the manager, and swapping gaffers too readily has become part of the problem. It's bought him some extra tolerance.

 

[Bladepicker]

If his first season had followed a spell of success at SUFC we'd have had protests in the carpark about him. But I think fans realise there's more wrong here than the manager, and swapping gaffers too readily has become part of the problem. It's bought him some extra tolerance.

I don't disagree with that. Adkins is lucky that chopping and changing managers has clearly not worked since Blackwell was sacked, as that is the only reason we wont get rid of him if he does stay. I struggle to think of another reason to keep him and ultimately, I don't think it is enough.

 

[PokerBlade]

Not this season ?

Not really, no.

Part of the manager hunt last time, that I think most people agreed with, was that we were looking for someone with a track record of success at this level and the next.

Why, a year down the line, are we throwing that idea out the window and saying, no, we want a guy who's won the league below us, and a conference play-off and has no record at the level above? Was everything we looked for last time wrong?

 

[Deadbat]

Not really, no.

Part of the manager hunt last time, that I think most people agreed with, was that we were looking for someone with a track record of success at this level and the next.

Why, a year down the line, are we throwing that idea out the window and saying, no, we want a guy who's won the league below us, and a conference play-off and has no record at the level above? Was everything we looked for last time wrong?

No it was all right. He has had a season and made a royal fuck up of everything. Club hired the right man in my opinion. He has just done a terrible job. I dont blame McCabe for this. He has picked some bad uns but he picked the right one at the time. The fact it has gone wrong is down to Adkins for me. Noone else. Other than sign Sharp; I dont think he has got much right. If he went I would not be bothered. I failt see how Wilder or anyone else can do any worse really.

 

[ken shabby]

But Deadbat he`s been in the awkward position of trying to make a diamond out of a stack of shit. Yes he made the huge fault of giving clough`s ne`er do wells a clean slate for which he and us still suffer. by time we were 10 games into season and he realised what he`d got lumbered with, he has only just found a formation these tarts can thrive on.... and that`s only a maybe.

I`m looking forward to him ridding us of some reyt shite and bringing good lads in... no they won`t all be Dean Hammonds, give the bloke some credit, he may have made mistakes but if the board had backed him in january , as he was led to believe, we may have been 10 points better off at the very least.

Roll on Nige A

can anyone have done worse, yes, plenty and Wilder though i like the lad, he were a good Blade, good player too, has nothing to suggest he`d be the answer apart from a couple of good seasons on his CV. Good God you`ll be saying micael appleton`s a good manager next

 

[littlejohn]

I was delighted when adkins was appointed but ultimately he has failed. Has a replacement l believe wilder is exactly the sort of manager we need someone who can work on budget will properly intergrate the youth into the side look at hungry players on the up. If hasselbank had exactly the same managerial record as wilder and was being touted for the job we would be clambering for him to be manager, we should over look his playing history and appointment the right man on merit who l believe is wilder.

 

[Bartleby]

That got to 2 major cup semi finals and stormed up the league beating all before them the season before..

and then he had his first pre-season and it all went shit-shaped from there. Free reign to bring players in and what happened? Players sidelined due to alleged fallouts, playing the ball down into corners to hang on for a 1-0 home win against mighty Crawley, some appalling negative displays and the creation of a massive bloated squad of under-achievers many of whom are still stealing a wage. I'm not bothered about the cup runs when they can't be arsed to turn it on in the league where it matters. Left us a right mess did Cloughie.

 

[Deadbat]

But Deadbat he`s been in the awkward position of trying to make a diamond out of a stack of shit. Yes he made the huge fault of giving Clough`s ne`er do wells a clean slate for which he and us still suffer. by time we were 10 games into season and he realised what he`d got lumbered with, he has only just found a formation these tarts can thrive on.... and that`s only a maybe.

I`m looking forward to him ridding us of some reyt shite and bringing good lads in... no they won`t all be Dean Hammonds, give the bloke some credit, he may have made mistakes but if the board had backed him in january , as he was led to believe, we may have been 10 points better off at the very least.

Roll on Nige A

can anyone have done worse, yes, plenty and Wilder though i like the lad, he were a good Blade, good player too, has nothing to suggest he`d be the answer apart from a couple of good seasons on his CV. Good God you`ll be saying micael appleton`s a good manager next

Personally I would not want Wilder. No idea who I want. That is not the issue really. Adkins had failed and failed badly. Thus it is right his position is being looked at; regardless of who they bring in if he goes.

As for the bringing some good lads in; Hammond, Edgar, Sammon, Woolford have all been for the most part utter shite. Slow, old, on the way down players. All on a big wage. Everything we do not need. The board hammered Clough for his signings and waste of resources but Adkins has fared no better.

That maybe why the board did not give him anymore funds? Maybe they were considering a change at this point.

If it took him 10 games to realise what he had got lumbered with then that is a spectacular failure. He should have watched every game on DVD from last season and beyond; sought advice of others in the game and he had June, July and August to see them in training? That was his biggest mistake. We needed to jettison a lot of the players then and he failed to do so.

 

[Deadbat]

and then he had his first pre-season and it all went shit-shaped from there. Free reign to bring players in and what happened? Players sidelined due to alleged fallouts, playing the ball down into corners to hang on for a 1-0 home win against mighty Crawley, some appalling negative displays and the creation of a massive bloated squad of under-achievers many of whom are still stealing a wage. I'm not bothered about the cup runs when they can't be arsed to turn it on in the league where it matters. Left us a right mess did Cloughie.

Totally agree he was right to go.

Sadly might be same reason Adkins goes too. His player recruitment, tactics, results and performances have been as bad...maybe worse.

 

[Bartleby]

Totally agree he was right to go.

Sadly might be same reason Adkins goes too. His player recruitment, tactics, results and performances have been as bad...maybe worse.

maybe, but I'm not sure he's had as good a crack at it as Cloughie, get the feeling he's been constrained more, maybe as a result.

 

[Kev Gee]

Why would

Why has this post got its own thread?

Because WHF is a full weight fucktard & has blocked half of the forum. when anyone he has blocked posts something he wont see it. hes a legend in his own ever dcreasing circle.

 

[PokerBlade]

No it was all right. He has had a season and made a royal fuck up of everything. Club hired the right man in my opinion. He has just done a terrible job. I dont blame McCabe for this. He has picked some bad uns but he picked the right one at the time. The fact it has gone wrong is down to Adkins for me. Noone else. Other than sign Sharp; I dont think he has got much right. If he went I would not be bothered. I failt see how Wilder or anyone else can do any worse really.

Managers can definitely do worse. Let's never forget Weir.

My point is that if the board felt their criteria for the last manager was what we needed then Wilder would just be an admission that they still haven't got a clue what they're looking for. That goes whether you like Adkins or not. Choosing Wilder means choosing a manager with over a decade of experience and none of it at our current level. If Adkins goes then that doesn't mean we have to completely change course.

 

[Champagneblade]

I'll be honest I can't be bothered to reply to everything but I'll try be succinct.

Recruitment - it's not been brilliant, however his net spent is circa -£1,200,000. Who could he recruit for free that would have improved us? There might be loads that I don't know of, but all he could do was sign freebies and they are seldom any good.

Squad performance - well whilst we have overachieved I think it's fair to say we haven't under achieved with this squad. We scraped into playoffs last year (and how many times did Murph single-handedly win us a game last year?). so our squad has gone from finishing just in the playoffs with Murphy, to finishing just outside without Murphy. Makes perfect sense, and I imagine this squad would have gone the same way whoever is in charge.

Do I trust him - well what do we really have to go on other than freebies? What do they tell us, really? All I know is Adkins has had a year to assess the squad and who stags and who goes. Guess what happens when we sack him, new man comes in, takes all summer to assess what we have, meanwhile all targets are being snapped up and our best player gets sold 2 weeks from the start of the season, and round and round we go.

I'm not saying he's done a fantastic job, but I fail to see any certain benefits a new manager would bring. And how you can blame Adkibs for making us Ito an 'established mid table division 3 side' is bemusing considering the constraints of the board and what he inherited.

Adkins is potentially (while we still hope for a miracle) going to take us to our third lowest finish in our 127 year history.

He will have done this with a wage bill far in excess of all but one of those teams above him.

You don't think anyone could have done better?

The rationale for getting Adkins was solid enough. But he is the managerial equivalent of Hammond. He's been in the right place a couple of times, he's now past his best and sliding down the leagues.

I'm not advocating Wilder but we need someone who has the experience and sti has it or we need someone with enough experience and is on the up. Weir doesn't count here because he had none.

 

[sitwell]

Not really, no.

Part of the manager hunt last time, that I think most people agreed with, was that we were looking for someone with a track record of success at this level and the next.

Why, a year down the line, are we throwing that idea out the window and saying, no, we want a guy who's won the league below us, and a conference play-off and has no record at the level above? Was everything we looked for last time wrong?

Because that direction has failed miserably several times now ,time for a new one

 

[sheffielder]

Fuck it. Fuck em all. Whoever they appoint I'm going to dedicate my time to pointing out every little flaw, every mistake he makes and when he gets the sack I can say 'told you he was shit'.

hopefully he won't have as many flaws as Adkins because the people who want him out really don't need to do much work. Adkins says it all for them.

Hope you have a fun season

 

[sheffielder]

What we need is a leader and cash. If your players are good enough and they are willing to run through a brick wall for their boss, the you're more than half way there.

Now if I was the board now I would be asking what Adkins intentions are in regards to recruitment and players like mcnulty and scougall who are still contracted to us next season. I know they didn't cost an arm and a leg but I wouldn't want to lose them for nothing because the manager can't work with them.

In football and real life you're not a true manager unless you can work with everyone including people you don't like.

Do people really think that we have 30 plus players with an attitude problem this season?

For the record I have been told Adkins will be here next season but he needs to change as much as anyone else.

 

[PeteBlade]

Adkins is potentially (while we still hope for a miracle) going to take us to our third lowest finish in our 127 year history.

He will have done this with a wage bill far in excess of all but one of those teams above him.

You don't think anyone could have done better?

The rationale for getting Adkins was solid enough. But he is the managerial equivalent of Hammond. He's been in the right place a couple of times, he's now past his best and sliding down the leagues.

I'm not advocating Wilder but we need someone who has the experience and sti has it or we need someone with enough experience and is on the up. Weir doesn't count here because he had none.

He said at the start of the season that our wage bill would be 5/6th highest in the league. So based on the above, do you believe there are potentially 5 teams currently below us with bigger wage bills?

 

[PeteBlade]

In football and real life you're not a true manager unless you can work with everyone including people you don't like.

Some of the most successful football managers ship players out that they cannot work with.

I'm sorry but the above is simply not true.

 

[Been there done that]

The Northampton job pays about 150-200k I bet.

The Sheffield United job pays 300-500k at this level.

What's the furthest he can go with Northampton? What's the furthest he can go with the Blades?

Let's face it, jobs don't usually come up because the previous incumbent has done a stellar job.

According to LMA (League Managers Association) in 2014-15 average League One managers salary was £75K.
We chose to employ a (then) out-of-work manager, to work in League One, a give him £800k pa....on a 3 year contract!

 

[PeteBlade]

According to LMA (League Managers Association) in 2014-15 average League One managers salary was £75K.
We chose to employ a (then) out-of-work manager, to work in League One, a give him £800k pa....on a 3 year contract!

Says who?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I don't know if its just me ,but I hate this style of football we are trying to play ,I hate it at any level ,Spain winning the world cup was bad for football. The fashionable way to play football is to pass it around like a training session and rely on 1 forward to take his chance when one of the few times he gets one. Its boring its turjid ,give me attacking football with players who can run with a ball and take people on ,not players who can pass to each other when no one is tackling them. Give me wingers ,crosses ,challenges ,goals ,saves. Football at every level has become boring since its become the law to have an Iniesta and Javi in their team. Warnock and especially Bassetts style maybe too far the other way but we must get back to a more entertaining style of football.

To be fair I enjoy watching a Sunday game at Warminster where you get tackles hard work the odd fight and some cracking football ,and some shit as well .template football and flip chart football arggggh

I watched part of an under 16s schools game here in the States last night and it was awful ,both sides just trying to pass, it was 1-1 ,2 penalties. Wish I could have changed how one of the sides were playing ,I'm sure they would have walked it ,but they were too scared to run with the ball and take people on ,and express themselves. The standard of players was very very good though.

About 4/5 weeks ago there was a kid who is at Chelsea interviewed on R5. He said he was looking at going out on loan again to non-league because every kick, every tackle counts, the intensity is so much higher than U21's footie.
The players are fighting for points, for win bonuses and for pride instead of just passing it across the back four waiting for a midfielder to find space. He said he finds U21 so boring and uninspiring.

Was suprised at the time that the press or TV didn't pick up on his comments, still I suppose most of the pundits have those EUFA badge things.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

These posts lump Edgar in with the others to try to

According to LMA (League Managers Association) in 2014-15 average League One managers salary was £75K.
We chose to employ a (then) out-of-work manager, to work in League One, a give him £800k pa....on a 3 year contract!

That's bc the board have no ambition...

 

[Grappler]

According to LMA (League Managers Association) in 2014-15 average League One managers salary was £75K.
We chose to employ a (then) out-of-work manager, to work in League One, a give him £800k pa....on a 3 year contract!

Where did the 800k figure come from? (genuine question), I heard from a couple of ITK sources, around Danny Wilson's time, that the SUFC managers job paid around 200 - 250k a year, which is a fantastic salary for managing a League 1 club, and was the biggest salary in our League.

 

[PeteBlade]

Where did the 800k figure come from? (genuine question), I heard from a couple of ITK sources, around Danny Wilson's time, that the SUFC managers job paid around 200 - 250k a year, which is a fantastic salary for managing a League 1 club, and was the biggest salary in our League.

It's calling making up figures to suit arguments.

A bit like the "7 figure sum" someone quoted we paid for Billy Sharp.

 

[sheffielder]

Some of the most successful football managers ship players out that they cannot work with.

I'm sorry but the above is simply not true.

I didn't say couldn't work with, I said did not like. Try one of fergusons autobiography and see what he think of some of his players, say Ince or Keane.

Are you saying that there are twenty players that Adkins can't work with? Is that normal? Do we really have that volume of players who aren't professional?