Statement from McCabe - Official Site

[Sean Thornton]

So for all the 'facts', there are some 'facts' that you, or WWF don't exactly know how to put forward? I too am interested in these 'facts'.

pommpey

I've quoted facts. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong but with figures please.

I've also said, which both you and the forum idiot have ignored, is that the info being asked for isn't available to be broken down how he wants. Now people have to be stupid or agenda driven not to be able to understand that.

You have the dual option of challenging what i've posted with figures (he he, sorry), or possibly sitting down with a nice cup of STFU rather than saying nothing of any value in an argument short on facts.

 

[pommpey]

I've quoted facts. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong but with figures please.

I've also said, which both you and the forum idiot have ignored, is that the info being asked for isn't available to be broken down how he wants. Now people have to be stupid or agenda driven not to be able to understand that.

No ... no, no, no. You misunderstand. You have come over all fact-laden and ready to put the critics in their place, but with stuff we are not much interested in. It's like McCabe saying how much he has put into the club as a measure of how well we are doing in league division one. Not connected and in many ways, a measure of smoke and mirrors thinking. If you haven't got the information we are interested in, stop coming over all clever and let's hear from someone who is ITK, instead of some mouthpiece who clearly hasn't a Scooby.

You have the dual option of challenging what i've posted with figures (he he, sorry), or possibly sitting down with a nice cup of STFU rather than saying nothing of any value in an argument short on facts.

No, again. I am asking you because you are making valiant efforts to put down the natives with a pop-gun and one of those bows and arrows with the suckers on the end. If you don't know how to answer our questions, pour yourself a cup of STFU, why dontcha? You've scored some sort of pyrrhic victory over Hulse (and misunderstood my point anyway) and are now trying to smell blood because you are making a vain attempt at picking fights where no fights need to be fought. Anyone would think you think the club was well run.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

I couldn't give a fat rat's cock about 'admin costs'. They are the concern of the management and board. I care about the level of talent on the pitch. If the admin costs are too high, then how the fuck is that a concern and a reckoning of a football supporter? I don't benefit from the cleaners and the costs of paperclips at BDTBL and frankly if the costs of running the business hamper your product, then your business model is fucked up beyond repair. That's McCabe's lookout, not mine.

What I am concerned with, is how much players have been sold for and how much players have cost who we have bought. This doesn't seem to be quite so clear.

Incidentally, has anyone seen the gained value of our overseas sponsorship opportunities agent since his appointment?

pommpey

So you've moved away from his investment and are wanting to know the wages and transfer in and out details from whenever?

Despite being told numerous times that a detailed breakdown of that information has never been made available. What is it about that you can't grasp?

As for admin costs, without investment, if the club turns over £10 million and admin costs -the ones you don't care about but are real - are £5 million it only leaves £5 million to be spent on football costs. With me so far? If we pay wages of £7 million someone, are you listening, has to make up the shortfall.
For four years running, football costs were more than turnover. No doubt you didn't give a monkeys then because McCabe had to make up the shortfall. His fault? Yes. And he had to pay for it.

 

[pommpey]

So you've moved away from his investment and are wanting to know the wages and transfer in and out details from whenever?

Despite being told numerous times that a detailed breakdown of that information has never been made available. What is it about that you can't grasp?

As for admin costs, without investment, if the club turns over £10 million and admin costs -the ones you don't care about but are real - are £5 million it only leaves £5 million to be spent on football costs. With me so far? If we pay wages of £7 million someone, are you listening, has to make up the shortfall.
For four years running, football costs were more than turnover. No doubt you didn't give a monkeys then because McCabe had to make up the shortfall. His fault? Yes. And he had to pay for it.

And what about transfers? Sorry ... my mistake. They are in the margin which is blank.

FA/League Cup runs? HRHs investment?

With me so far, etc?

Keep baling out the water, Captain ....

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

No ... no, no, no. You misunderstand. You have come over all fact-laden and ready to put the critics in their place, but with stuff we are not much interested in. It's like McCabe saying how much he has put into the club as a measure of how well we are doing in league division one. Not connected and in many ways, a measure of smoke and mirrors thinking. If you haven't got the information we are interested in, stop coming over all clever and let's hear from someone who is ITK, instead of some mouthpiece who clearly hasn't a Scooby.



No, again. I am asking you because you are making valiant efforts to put down the natives with a pop-gun and one of those bows and arrows with the suckers on the end. If you don't know how to answer our questions, pour yourself a cup of STFU, why dontcha? You've scored some sort of pyrrhic victory over Hulse (and misunderstood my point anyway) and are now trying to smell blood because you are making a vain attempt at picking fights where no fights need to be fought. Anyone would think you think the club was well run.

pommpey

The information is not and never has been made available in that detail.

I've said it time after time. It's in one sentence above, it can't be any clearer.

I've said many times the club is badly run and it's down to McCabe but you admitting that negates much of your post.

As for Hulse, you said one thing then tried to change things when it was pointed out we couldn't "replace" our "injured" striker because the transfer window was closed. No misunderstanding at all. Your choice of words.

As Ive said, my comments on the figures are fact based. You've put nothing of any detail forward. Nothing.

Just for clarification though, the breakdown you want isn't available anywhere. Has that sunk in yet?

 

[Sean Thornton]

And what about transfers? Sorry ... my mistake. They are in the margin which is blank.

FA/League Cup runs? HRHs investment?

With me so far, etc?

Keep baling out the water, Captain ....

pommpey

Not with you no. I haven't got a ticket for La La Land.

 

[Sean Thornton]

There is no blank margin. Just an overall figure. But feel free to make things up to cover the paucity of your argument.

HRH's investment up to December 2015 is there for all to see at Companies House. Legal documents filed with a Government department. Bit of a bastard but there you go. Or rather you probably won't !

 

[Bert]

Brownie and LS26BLADE decamped to the New South Stand, after a years of sterling service on the Kop, and occasionally Bramall Lane upper when Brownie Jnr was in attendance, now all 3 of us are resident in the New South Stand where will probably remain until retirement, unless Brownie Jnr decides he wishes to return to the kop when he is a teenager and goes back to the kop.

Occasionally LS26BLADE will come out with some naughty words in the presence of Brownie Jnr, who usually admonishes him for his infraction and informs him that if he says any naughty words then he will have to go to prison. Brownie Jnr also knows a lot of naughty words that other children have told him at school but the last swearing incident which came 18 months ago when he was having some difficulty playing Lego Batman and and saw fit to call Batman and Robin a pair of bummers, he has not used any naughty words in front of either parent since although he does know a full selection of vulgar language. He has also been briefed that he may occasionally hear some naughty words at football, he is to under no circumstances to repeat them.

Brownie and Brownie Jnr, also bumped to in to Silent Blade who took hold of brownies hand and slapped it as a repercussion of Brownie foolishly announcing a false goal on shout box the other night. Brownie also took the opportunity of getting Brownie Jnr to say hello to Silent in BSL as he has learned some of it at school, but seeing as the only BSL that Brownie knows is a vulgarity I didn't know what Brownie Jnr said to Silent.

Bert has always suspected that Batman and Robin were a pair of bummers.

 

[Sean Thornton]

This, and this:

Big contradiction alert! So it can't be quantified but it can be worked out with simple math. Fantastic! I'd give it up and leave it there if I were you because you're making yourself look an even bigger tool than you were when you were talking a load of bollocks for 15 pages without being able to back it up with an answer to a simple question.

You really are thick. The info for the detailed breakdown you require hasn't been made available. The simple - and only answer which is even beyond you - is to add up the cost of sales to see how much has been spent on achieving turnover. Ie football related costs. That way you have the info without admin costs. Still clinging on? Now listen carefully, that figure isn't broken down ANYWHERE in the detail you are asking. As I've said, you can look at the accounts for the basics but for you that's even more complicated than the arse/elbow conundrum which clearly haunts you on a daily basis.

 

[Bert]

You really are thick. The info for the detailed breakdown you require hasn't been made available. The simple - and only answer which is even beyond you - is to add up the cost of sales to see how much has been spent on achieving turnover. Ie football related costs. That way you have the info without admin costs. Still clinging on? Now listen carefully, that figure isn't broken down ANYWHERE in the detail you are asking. As I've said, you can look at the accounts for the basics but for you that's even more complicated than the arse/elbow conundrum which clearly haunts you on a daily basis.

Haven't you realized yet, he's not a full shilling?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Haven't you realized yet, he's not a full shilling?

Which one?

 

[pommpey]

As for Hulse, you said one thing then tried to change things when it was pointed out we couldn't "replace" our "injured" striker because the transfer window was closed. No misunderstanding at all. Your choice of words.

So having another striker of Hulse's capacity within the squad isn't 'replacing' him at all?

Okay. If you want.

*twizzles index finger into temple*

And AFAIR, he was "injured". Unless you are again ITK and he was just faking the breakage. Which I doubt.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Bert has always suspected that Batman and Robin were a pair of bummers.

Has Bert always been a homophobe?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

There is no blank margin. Just an overall figure. But feel free to make things up to cover the paucity of your argument.

HRH's investment up to December 2015 is there for all to see at Companies House. Legal documents filed with a Government department. Bit of a bastard but there you go. Or rather you probably won't !

I'm not making anything up. As you seem to be the big brains on how the club is run, some people would like to know a couple of things. Now it seems that you know how much the paper towels are in the gents, but not how much we sold McDonald for. It's 'not available' on the big accounts booky wook you say you get to read online.

So, you don't know.

So shut up, then, eh?

pommpey

 

[Barney]

You really are thick. The info for the detailed breakdown you require hasn't been made available. The simple - and only answer which is even beyond you - is to add up the cost of sales to see how much has been spent on achieving turnover. Ie football related costs. That way you have the info without admin costs. Still clinging on? Now listen carefully, that figure isn't broken down ANYWHERE in the detail you are asking. As I've said, you can look at the accounts for the basics but for you that's even more complicated than the arse/elbow conundrum which clearly haunts you on a daily basis.

If you haven't got the information we are interested in, stop coming over all clever and let's hear from someone who is ITK, instead of some mouthpiece who clearly hasn't a Scooby.

I shall now take the aforementioned advice and leave it there after this message but I suggest you take notice of the summary above, as it does just that, sums you up and the way you attempt to come across quite nicely. If you don't know, say as much from the fucking get go and don't make yourself look a complete and utter tool by uttering irrelevancies and thinking you'll come across as though you know the answer, because when push comes to shove, it will eventually come round, as it has done, to the fact that you, haven't a fucking clue.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I've quoted facts. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong but with figures please.

I've also said, which both you and the forum idiot have ignored, is that the info being asked for isn't available to be broken down how he wants. Now people have to be stupid or agenda driven not to be able to understand that.

You have the dual option of challenging what i've posted with figures (he he, sorry), or possibly sitting down with a nice cup of STFU rather than saying nothing of any value in an argument short on facts.

No ... no, no, no. You misunderstand. You have come over all fact-laden and ready to put the critics in their place, but with stuff we are not much interested in. It's like McCabe saying how much he has put into the club as a measure of how well we are doing in league division one. Not connected and in many ways, a measure of smoke and mirrors thinking. If you haven't got the information we are interested in, stop coming over all clever and let's hear from someone who is ITK, instead of some mouthpiece who clearly hasn't a Scooby.



No, again. I am asking you because you are making valiant efforts to put down the natives with a pop-gun and one of those bows and arrows with the suckers on the end. If you don't know how to answer our questions, pour yourself a cup of STFU, why dontcha? You've scored some sort of pyrrhic victory over Hulse (and misunderstood my point anyway) and are now trying to smell blood because you are making a vain attempt at picking fights where no fights need to be fought. Anyone would think you think the club was well run.

pommpey

So you've moved away from his investment and are wanting to know the wages and transfer in and out details from whenever?

Despite being told numerous times that a detailed breakdown of that information has never been made available. What is it about that you can't grasp?

As for admin costs, without investment, if the club turns over £10 million and admin costs -the ones you don't care about but are real - are £5 million it only leaves £5 million to be spent on football costs. With me so far? If we pay wages of £7 million someone, are you listening, has to make up the shortfall.
For four years running, football costs were more than turnover. No doubt you didn't give a monkeys then because McCabe had to make up the shortfall. His fault? Yes. And he had to pay for it.

And what about transfers? Sorry ... my mistake. They are in the margin which is blank.

FA/League Cup runs? HRHs investment?

With me so far, etc?

Keep baling out the water, Captain ....

pommpey

The information is not and never has been made available in that detail.

I've said it time after time. It's in one sentence above, it can't be any clearer.

I've said many times the club is badly run and it's down to McCabe but you admitting that negates much of your post.

As for Hulse, you said one thing then tried to change things when it was pointed out we couldn't "replace" our "injured" striker because the transfer window was closed. No misunderstanding at all. Your choice of words.

As Ive said, my comments on the figures are fact based. You've put nothing of any detail forward. Nothing.

Just for clarification though, the breakdown you want isn't available anywhere. Has that sunk in yet?

Not with you no. I haven't got a ticket for La La Land.

There is no blank margin. Just an overall figure. But feel free to make things up to cover the paucity of your argument.

HRH's investment up to December 2015 is there for all to see at Companies House. Legal documents filed with a Government department. Bit of a bastard but there you go. Or rather you probably won't !

You really are thick. The info for the detailed breakdown you require hasn't been made available. The simple - and only answer which is even beyond you - is to add up the cost of sales to see how much has been spent on achieving turnover. Ie football related costs. That way you have the info without admin costs. Still clinging on? Now listen carefully, that figure isn't broken down ANYWHERE in the detail you are asking. As I've said, you can look at the accounts for the basics but for you that's even more complicated than the arse/elbow conundrum which clearly haunts you on a daily basis.

So having another striker of Hulse's capacity within the squad isn't 'replacing' him at all?

Okay. If you want.

*twizzles index finger into temple*

And AFAIR, he was "injured". Unless you are again ITK and he was just faking the breakage. Which I doubt.

pommpey

I'm not making anything up. As you seem to be the big brains on how the club is run, some people would like to know a couple of things. Now it seems that you know how much the paper towels are in the gents, but not how much we sold McDonald for. It's 'not available' on the big accounts booky wook you say you get to read online.

So, you don't know.

So shut up, then, eh?

pommpey

I shall now take the aforementioned advice and leave it there after this message but I suggest you take notice of the summary above, as it does just that, sums you up and the way you attempt to come across quite nicely. If you don't know, say as much from the fucking get go and don't make yourself look a complete and utter tool by uttering irrelevancies and thinking you'll come across as though you know the answer, because when push comes to shove, it will eventually come round, as it has done, to the fact that you, haven't a fucking clue.

 

[PeteBlade]

Sorry, haven't had time to read the thread, but could anyone explain the transfer costs in and out of the club over the last few years...?

Thanks in advance....

 

[pommpey]

Sorry, haven't had time to read the thread, but could anyone explain the transfer costs in and out of the club over the last few years...?

Thanks in advance....

Sean knows ...



pommpey

ps: Deansies got the front ... what is Wilf doing, BTW?

 

[Jan Age]

I am also confused surely there is a simple mathematical equation to solve this?

Maybe I am 'simple' and maybe this is to simple but surely before the prince came on board it went something like this:

Here are the accounts as you can see we lose £5 per year (simplified number)

Prince looks at accounts and decides he can help with the annual losses and still invest in the FIRST TEAM (note not football related expenditure not whatever crap is now being touted as investment in the first team)

He DIDN'T decide to help and invest on the proviso that we sold our best two players in the following trf windows, went on two magnificent cup runs and earned a money spinning tie at Old Trafford.

Now the powers that be have moved the goal posts on us fans and the spiel we are given now has changed to suit their agenda.

Basically its the equivalent of playing footy for hours as a kid and your side being 15 - 1 up only for some spotty little kid to shout ' next goal winner' everyone accepting it and the team that was losing duly scores a goal to win the game!

But I may be confused and have got it all wrong...

 

[pommpey]

I am also confused surely there is a simple mathematical equation to solve this?

Maybe I am 'simple' and maybe this is to simple but surely before the prince came on board it went something like this:

Here are the accounts as you can see we lose £5 per year (simplified number)

Prince looks at accounts and decides he can help with the annual losses and still invest in the FIRST TEAM (note not football related expenditure not whatever crap is now being touted as investment in the first team)

He DIDN'T decide to help and invest on the proviso that we sold our best two players in the following trf windows, went on two magnificent cup runs and earned a money spinning tie at Old Trafford.

Now the powers that be have moved the goal posts on us fans and the spiel we are given now has changed to suit their agenda.

Basically its the equivalent of playing footy for hours as a kid and your side being 15 - 1 up only for some spotty little kid to shout ' next goal winner' everyone accepting it and the team that was losing duly scores a goal to win the game!

But I may be confused and have got it all wrong...

No. The accounts are online (minus the important details, such as transfer activity) for you to read. You can see how much they spend on coffee, Mr Muscle and pies, but not how much Murphy was sold for or how much Hull still owe us (or not) for Maguire. Somewhere in there is a blank box about Bruno Ribiero as well.

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS!

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

So having another striker of Hulse's capacity within the squad isn't 'replacing' him at all?

Okay. If you want.

*twizzles index finger into temple*

And AFAIR, he was "injured". Unless you are again ITK and he was just faking the breakage. Which I doubt.

pommpey

1. So having another striker of Hulse's capacity within the squad isn't 'replacing' him at all?
   
   Okay. If you want.
   
   *twizzles index finger into temple*
   
   And AFAIR, he was "injured". Unless you are again ITK and he was just faking the breakage. Which I doubt.
   
   pommpey

   
   re·place
   (rĭ-plās′)
   tr.v. re·placed, re·plac·ing, re·plac·es
   1. To put back into a former position or place: replaced the sofa after vacuuming.
   2. To take the place of or fill the role of: Jets have largely replaced propeller planes.
   3. To provide a substitute for (something broken or unsatisfactory, for example): replace a spark plug; replace a team's coach.
   4. To pay back or return; refund: They were forced to replace the money they stole.
   
   
   
   Yes, of course I said he wasn't injured. Dear me.
   
   
   
   
   

 

[Balham]

At the risk of getting dragged into the vortex:

Transfer fees paid: contained within "Cost of Sales"

Player wages: contained within "Cost of Sales"

Transfer fees received: contained within "Turnover"

If you really want to know then buried within the notes is one on "Profit on Disposal" which relates to the difference between what a player's book value is and what we sold him for.

You could use other sources (like soccerbase) but we have a habit of buying and selling for undisclosed fees.

I guess if you were really interested in how much McCabe has invested in the football side then you'd add up all the losses over the years. He's invested in the Football Club and the admin and football sides are woven together. If you ran a pub that lost money, would you bother separating out what you were losing on rent, utilities, accounting fees from what you were losing on the beer? No.

The issue is that the above doesn't tie with pommpey 's view and Barney 's desire for oneupmanship. Most of the rational posters can see this and look past it, it seems that neither of you can.

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm not making anything up. As you seem to be the big brains on how the club is run, some people would like to know a couple of things. Now it seems that you know how much the paper towels are in the gents, but not how much we sold McDonald for. It's 'not available' on the big accounts booky wook you say you get to read online.

So, you don't know.

So shut up, then, eh?

pommpey

I said I didn't know. Because it isn't there. Are you too stupid to grasp that ?

Your camp aggression is laughable.

 

[pommpey]

1. 
   
   re·place
   (rĭ-plās′)
   tr.v. re·placed, re·plac·ing, re·plac·es
   1. To put back into a former position or place: replaced the sofa after vacuuming.
   2. To take the place of or fill the role of: Jets have largely replaced propeller planes.
   3. To provide a substitute for (something broken or unsatisfactory, for example): replace a spark plug; replace a team's coach.
   4. To pay back or return; refund: They were forced to replace the money they stole.
   
   
   
   Yes, of course I said he wasn't injured. Dear me.
   
   
   
   

You used the word 'injured' in double quotes, Captain Pedantic. That suggests to me that you think he wasn't injured. I refute that, and so would Hulse.

The fact that we didn't have a striker to

re·place

2. To take the place of or fill the role of: Jets have largely replaced propeller planes.
3. To provide a substitute for (something broken or unsatisfactory, for example): replace a spark plug; replace a team's coach.

Hulse when he was rendered 'unplayable' (if you like) is a measure of our unpreparedness for the PL.

I really, really hope this clears it up for you. You are currently making a lot of this and getting nowhere, son.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

At the risk of getting dragged into the vortex:

So it is available then?

Do tell ...

*sits nicely*

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

I said I didn't know...

So shut up then. Are you too stupid to grasp that?

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

I shall now take the aforementioned advice and leave it there after this message but I suggest you take notice of the summary above, as it does just that, sums you up and the way you attempt to come across quite nicely. If you don't know, say as much from the fucking get go and don't make yourself look a complete and utter tool by uttering irrelevancies and thinking you'll come across as though you know the answer, because when push comes to shove, it will eventually come round, as it has done, to the fact that you, haven't a fucking clue.

Ooh Big Bad Barney gets aggressive. The world holds it's breath.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Published Accounts are subject to the rules of whichever Stock Market the company is in.

SUFC is now a private company and has to log it's accounts at Companies House. When we were a public company not so long ago the accounts had to be more detailed to satisfy that market's rules.

So, these rules apply to every registered company in the UK.

Therefore, far from there being "smokes and mirrors" the club accountants fulfill their role and prepare appropriate accounts.

Additional information is provided by the Board at the club AGM both as a prepared statement and in answer to questions from the floor and these questions are often aggressive and searching. When I have attended one suspicious shareholder has been really well prepared to grill McCabe but there really nothing for KM to hide and he easily responds with calm assurance.

Some fans can't be bothered to read this thread even, never mind do research on published accounts and yet still choose to argue with FANS who do take the trouble to do the research, they also choose to disbelieve the owners and their representatives, so they really are lost causes.

Over the years they are told the same consistent messages and figures. They consistently see lies and subtifuge.

Somebody advise us of any other football club which provides more communication and information from their owners than our club because that would be relevant. Bear in mind with regard to transfer fees there is often an agreement between clubs not to disclose the amount involved. Both the buyers and the sellers have their own reasons for exact figures not being in the public domain and regard it as their business, maybe taking pressure off the player, the managers and away from the open market re subsequent dealings. Look at monthly transfers and see how many fees are 'undisclosed', the majority in fact, not just United.

As a Forum member who has tried hard to provide information about the club in an effort to defend the integrity of KM, I must say that it becomes tedious in the extreme when certain posters seem to have a vested interest in causing doubts and unrest, despite the facts of the matters which they never contest with anything material, just rhetoric and innuendo.

On this thread Bohemian and Sean Thornton have provided so much information with so much patience and yet, no matter what they say, they are disbelieved and accused of some ulterior motives.

Trouble is, like me, the patient fans eventually tire of putting in the effort to explain the financials. Thereafter the unbased rhetoric and innuendo can go unchallenged and maybe some younger, newer forum members might even believe it might be true.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So shut up then. Are you too stupid to grasp that?

pommpey

Take your own advice before you start throwing your toys around.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Published Accounts are subject to the rules of whichever Stock Market the company is in.

SUFC is now a private company and has to log it's accounts at Companies House. When we were a public company not so long ago the accounts had to be more detailed to satisfy that market's rules.

So, these rules apply to every registered company in the UK.

Therefore, far from there being "smokes and mirrors" the club accountants fulfill their role and prepare appropriate accounts.

Additional information is provided by the Board at the club AGM both as a prepared statement and in answer to questions from the floor and these questions are often aggressive and searching. When I have attended one suspicious shareholder has been really well prepared to grill McCabe but there really nothing for KM to hide and he easily responds with calm assurance.

Some fans can't be bothered to read this thread even, never mind do research on published accounts and yet still choose to argue with FANS who do take the trouble to do the research, they also choose to disbelieve the owners and their representatives, so they really are lost causes.

Over the years they are told the same consistent messages and figures. They consistently see lies and subtifuge.

Somebody advise us of any other football club which provides more communication and information from their owners than our club because that would be relevant. Bear in mind with regard to transfer fees there is often an agreement between clubs not to disclose the amount involved. Both the buyers and the sellers have their own reasons for exact figures not being in the public domain and regard it as their business, maybe taking pressure off the player, the managers and away from the open market re subsequent dealings. Look at monthly transfers and see how many fees are 'undisclosed', the majority in fact, not just United.

As a Forum member who has tried hard to provide information about the club in an effort to defend the integrity of KM, I must say that it becomes tedious in the extreme when certain posters seem to have a vested interest in causing doubts and unrest, despite the facts of the matters which they never contest with anything material, just rhetoric and innuendo.

On this thread Bohemian and Sean Thornton have provided so much information with so much patience and yet, no matter what they say, they are disbelieved and accused of some ulterior motives.

Trouble is, like me, the patient fans eventually tire of putting in the effort to explain the financials. Thereafter the unbased rhetoric and innuendo can go unchallenged and maybe some younger, newer forum members might even believe it might be true.

Great post woody spoken from the heart like a true gent. I agree with every word, hope these doubters read it and take it on board,but I doubt anything will do that,they just love snagging the club (