A point off the playoffs, unbeaten in last six aways.

[Jim Chimmerney]

It's only argued by people making excuses for the decision makers at our club who are the ones really at fault.

It's utterly ridiculous to place any of the blame on the fans.

Of course we'd be expecting the worse, it's human nature, but we'd turn up and offer unrivalled support.

Like the support we offered against Swindon at home in the play offs, where we still lost.

Just playing Devil's advocate but these are the same fans who booed us off the pitch after Swindon last week, booed the players when they came over after the match last night, sang 'We're f*kin' shit' at Wigan.

Not saying the fans are to blame and I don't want to kick start the booing debate but it's all part of the general malaise which seems to surround the club at the moment and has done probably since we came down from the Prem.

 

[PeteBlade]

I probably shouldn't point out then that if the teams around us win their games in hand, we will be 9th and 4 points off the playoffs having one only 1 of our last 6 games in all competitions.

Just playing Devil's advocate but these are the same fans who booed us off the pitch after Swindon last week, booed the players when they came over after the match last night, sang 'We're f*kin' shit' at Wigan.

Not saying the fans are to blame and I don't want to kick start the booing debate but it's all part of the general malaise which seems to surround the club at the moment and has done probably since we came down from the Prem.

What you're highlighting is the reaction to us being shit, not the cause of it.

 

[Rodley]

It's only argued by people making excuses for the decision makers at our club who are the ones really at fault.

It's utterly ridiculous to place any of the blame on the fans.

Of course we'd be expecting the worse, it's human nature, but we'd turn up and offer unrivalled support.

Like the support we offered against Swindon at home in the play offs, where we still lost.

At some point the meaning of "support" changed from noise, atmosphere and backing to numbers, pure and simple.

When an away team comes to the Lane and punches above their weight in terms of noise and backing, I'd describe that as good support. If a team travel in big numbers, make fuck all noise and boo their players, I'd describe that as "shit support".

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Couldn't care less if some teams are 50 points in front of us. Doesn't matter that we might be poor and don't deserve promotion.

In the real world it's all about finishing at least 6th, scraping into the final at Wenbley, then scraping a win in the final.

It's funny how even if we win promotion this season some will say we were lucky and already predicting our doom for next season. These types of fans are seriously making it more difficult to progress.

Have you noticed how some clubs have a DNA of being lucky, it's because their fans expect to win playoffs, expect to score late winners and win penalty shoot outs.

Some of our fans throw in the towel when ever we face a challenge.

Agree with what you say , but as PeteBlade said ,we do seem to knock the fans and support. We have been knocked so many times its sometimes hard to be positive all the time , especially this season , which under Adkins it could be classed as a false dawn.

In saying that we will finish up in the playoffs and because we are so unpredictable , will win them

As in life we have to keep the faith.

UTB

 

[Rodley]

Just playing Devil's advocate but these are the same fans who booed us off the pitch after Swindon last week, booed the players when they came over after the match last night, sang 'We're f*kin' shit' at Wigan.

Not saying the fans are to blame and I don't want to kick start the booing debate but it's all part of the general malaise which seems to surround the club at the moment and has done probably since we came down from the Prem.

The problem is that if / when we get promoted, we'll be just another good sized club in a league full of a host of others. By all accounts, the excesses of booing, vile personal abuse of players, constant moaning should by all accounts disappear. But I bet it won't, it's now interwoven into the fabric of the club.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

What you're highlighting is the reaction to us being shit, not the cause of it.

That's what I said, the fans aren't to blame for the problem, just pointing out that the reaction, either justified or not, doesn't help to solve it.

 

[BushBlade]

The problem is that if / when we get promoted, we'll be just another good sized club in a league full a host of others. By all accounts, the excesses of booing, vile personal abuse of players, constant moaning should by all accounts disappear. But I bet it won't, it's now interwoven into the fabric of the club.

At least we'll be in a division full of clubs with similarly disillusioned fans who also boo their players regularly and go on about when they used to be good.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The problem is that if / when we get promoted, we'll be just another good sized club in a league full a host of others. By all accounts, the excesses of booing, vile personal abuse of players, constant moaning should by all accounts disappear. But I bet it won't, it's now interwoven into the fabric of the club.

It's not just this club it's the way it is these days, just look at Arsenal fans for the last few years, City moaning last year, ManUre and Chelsea this season.

Unfortunately, it's society, FIFA football, Sky TV, instant success, the joys of social media etc etc.

 

[PeteBlade]

That's what I said, the fans aren't to blame for the problem, just pointing out that the reaction, either justified or not, doesn't help to solve it.

Sorry I misunderstood, and I do agree, it doesn't help.

They're just so damn frustratingly underachieving!

 

[ghandi]

weve lost once , 3=2 to posh in a game that we could, should have realistically won , in the last 10 games, 2 months
yes we are drawing too many but we arent a million miles away
we just need the spark a couple of players would bring to ensure a play off berth

some peoples thinking we should be giving every team in this division a damn good thrashing are the unrealistic expectations

Thing is we haven't given any team a thrashing.

 

[Rodley]

It's not just this club it's the way it is these days, just look at Arsenal fans for the last few years, City moaning last year, ManUre and Chelsea this season.

Unfortunately, it's society, FIFA football, Sky TV, instant success, the joys of social media etc etc.

Must admit it's turning me off football.

But there's still some clubs who make a good racket, dropping in numbers though.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Of course I'm not really blaming the fans, just playing devils advocate.

Last night Liverpool fans were very confident they'd win the penalty shoot out because winning is built into their DNA.

When England get penalties in major competitions the whole nation despairs and panics because we know England won't win penalty shootouts.

Almost every Wendy fan I knows is more than 50/50 confident they'll win the playoffs and they fully expect to be there if not the top 2.

Blades don't really get excited about the playoffs because we know we'll lose.

We could be 3-0 up at half time in the Wembley playoff final and many Blades would panic if the opposition pulled it back to 3-1 as they'd be convinced we'll still lose.

If the manager and players are told there's a curse on the club and we can't EVER win at Wembley then the danger is it could become a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[grafikhaus]

Just playing Devil's advocate but these are the same fans who booed us off the pitch after Swindon last week, booed the players when they came over after the match last night, sang 'We're f*kin' shit' at Wigan.

Not saying the fans are to blame and I don't want to kick start the booing debate but it's all part of the general malaise which seems to surround the club at the moment and has done probably since we came down from the Prem.

A tiny minority boo at matches, but they get heard. When Swindon (inevitably) equalised last Saturday, the SS emptied as if a bomb scare had gone off. A few minutes later, I joined the throng making my way out of the ground and it was low-level grumbling and 'see you next game.' That's the 'United Way', unswerving devotion and a feeling that we've been here before. Many times. So, instead of just hearing the occasional booing, I think talk of 'general malaise surrorunding the club' must surely refer to the board, the management and the players, not the fans.

The average home crowds since we left the PL should indicate a 'malaise' that would be welcome at most clubs:

2008 (Championship) 25,631
2009 (Championship) 26,023
2010 (Championship) 25,120
2011 (Championship) 20,632
2012 (Div. One) 18,702
2013 (Div. One) 18,177
2014 (Div. One) 17,507
2015 (Div. One) 19,804
Average so far this season: 19,998

as Barry Davies might say, 'Quite remarkable.'

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Sorry I misunderstood, and I do agree, it doesn't help.

They're just so damn frustratingly underachieving!

There's something we all agree on !

 

[blade too long]

Thing is we haven't given any team a thrashing.

burton are top theyve murdered no one

 

[blade too long]

A tiny minority boo at matches, but they get heard. When Swindon (inevitably) equalised last Saturday, the SS emptied as if a bomb scare had gone off. A few minutes later, I joined the throng making my way out of the ground and it was low-level grumbling and 'see you next game.' That's the 'United Way', unswerving devotion and a feeling that we've been here before. Many times. So, instead of just hearing the occasional booing, I think talk of 'general malaise surrorunding the club' must surely refer to the board, the management and the players, not the fans.

The average home crowds since we left the PL should indicate a 'malaise' that would be welcome at most clubs:

2008 (Championship) 25,631
2009 (Championship) 26,023
2010 (Championship) 25,120
2011 (Championship) 20,632
2012 (Div. One) 18,702
2013 (Div. One) 18,177
2014 (Div. One) 17,507
2015 (Div. One) 19,804
Average so far this season: 19,998

as Barry Davies might say, 'Quite remarkable.'

We live in Englands 5th biggest city
last census in 2011 revealed 555000 registered inhabitants
saying halfs red half blue thatsa 275000 population
and then theres 20000 students

if we get 20000 turn up, its about 7 percent or 1 in 15 turn up

burnley are getting 15000, in a town of 82000 thats 1 in 7 turn up so in any pub in burnley saturday night 1 in 7 go to games while in a sheffield pub its 1 in 15

 

[PeteBlade]

Of course I'm not really blaming the fans, just playing devils advocate.

Last night Liverpool fans were very confident they'd win the penalty shoot out because winning is built into their DNA.

When England get penalties in major competitions the whole nation despairs and panics because we know England won't win penalty shootouts.

Almost every Wendy fan I knows is more than 50/50 confident they'll win the playoffs and they fully expect to be there if not the top 2.

Blades don't really get excited about the playoffs because we know we'll lose.

We could be 3-0 up at half time in the Wembley playoff final and many Blades would panic if the opposition pulled it back to 3-1 as they'd be convinced we'll still lose.

If the manager and players are told there's a curse on the club and we can't EVER win at Wembley then the danger is it could become a self fulfilling prophesy.

I And most Blades I know we're ready convinced we'd beat Wolves in the Play Off final and we got totally dicked on.

It's natural to be wary of something you're very bad at.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

A tiny minority boo at matches, but they get heard. When Swindon (inevitably) equalised last Saturday, the SS emptied as if a bomb scare had gone off. A few minutes later, I joined the throng making my way out of the ground and it was low-level grumbling and 'see you next game.' That's the 'United Way', unswerving devotion and a feeling that we've been here before. Many times. So, instead of just hearing the occasional booing, I think talk of 'general malaise surrorunding the club' must surely refer to the board, the management and the players, not the fans.

The average home crowds since we left the PL should indicate a 'malaise' that would be welcome at most clubs:

2008 (Championship) 25,631
2009 (Championship) 26,023
2010 (Championship) 25,120
2011 (Championship) 20,632
2012 (Div. One) 18,702
2013 (Div. One) 18,177
2014 (Div. One) 17,507
2015 (Div. One) 19,804
Average so far this season: 19,998

as Barry Davies might say, 'Quite remarkable.'

Yep, the crowd numbers have been unbelievable since we came down. Malaise was maybe not the right word but it's the apathy and the general disbelief as to why with such crowds (and budget), that a number of managers and a succession of players (many better than this standard) still struggle to get out of this division.

 

[Bladesince59]

By my reckoning the longest (so far) that we have EVER been out of the top 2 divisions is 5 years. So well done McCabe and Adkins, I am sure we going to achieve a new record this year.

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

Yep, the crowd numbers have been unbelievable since we came down. Malaise was maybe not the right word but it's the apathy and the general disbelief as to why with such crowds (and budget), that a number of managers and a succession of players (many better than this standard) still struggle to get out of this division.

Apathy is definitely the right word.

People still turn up in their numbers but it's very much out of habit.

 

[Mario1889]

Some of our fans have become sooooooooo accepting of mediocrity!!

There is absolutely no way a club of our size, recently in the Premier League should be sat just outside the League 1 playoffs with just a few months left of the season.

This is our FITH season in this rubbish division and our squad has got progressively worse year on year as our board have sold off our better players and failed to reinvest the money made into the squad.

The combined fees for Blackman, Magiure, Murphy and the cup runs money should be enough alone to see us build a squad capable of competing with the mighty Burton Albion for the title this season.

Anybody who is happy with where our club is right now as we sit outside the League 1 playoffs needs their head looking at!!!

 

[ghandi]

We live in Englands 5th biggest city
last census in 2011 revealed 555000 registered inhabitants
saying halfs red half blue thatsa 275000 population
and then theres 20000 students

if we get 20000 turn up, its about 7 percent or 1 in 15 turn up

burnley are getting 15000, in a town of 82000 thats 1 in 7 turn up so in any pub in burnley saturday night 1 in 7 go to games while in a sheffield pub its 1 in 15

4th largest :

• Birmingham – 1,073,045
• Leeds – 751,485
• Sheffield – 552,698
• Bradford – 522,452
• Manchester – 503,127
• Liverpool – 466,415
• Bristol – 428,234
• Newcastle – 280,177
• Sunderland – 275,506
• Wolverhampton – 249,470

(Source: 2011 census data.)

 

[Damski]

4th largest :

• Birmingham – 1,073,045
• Leeds – 751,485
• Sheffield – 552,698
• Bradford – 522,452
• Manchester – 503,127
• Liverpool – 466,415
• Bristol – 428,234
• Newcastle – 280,177
• Sunderland – 275,506
• Wolverhampton – 249,470

(Source: 2011 census data.)

No, no, no. That's the population of the officially designated area of the "city" which is often a small part of the centre of the settlement. Notice how London isn't there? That's because the official City Of London is like 2 square miles. Greater London, however, is something like 8.5 million total population. The metropolitan area of Sheffield is around 2 million, isn't it? In any case, AFAIK, it goes London, Manchester, Birmingham then The Glorious Steel City in terms of population. Please correct me if I'm wrong, stats bods. Anyway, back to the disappointing football.

 

[ghandi]

burton are top theyve murdered no one

Incorrect they beat Colchester 5-1 at home in November, a team we lost to at home. They also beat 2nd placed Gillingham 3-0 away.
They also happen to be 15 points clear of us with a game in hand.
I don't think it's unreasonable for the fans of Sheffield United to expect the same level of performances and results as Burton Albion.

 

[shorehamstreet1990]

Owing to living 3 hours away from Blackpool and finishing work at 630 last night, obviously couldn't make it to Benidorm in the rain.
But got invited to go and watch Peterborough last night.

They look a whole different side without Washington. They don't look creative and, as expected, Cloughie's Burton were stubborn and ground out results. Oh the days eh?

What was interesting was the mumours of not so much discontent, but of misgivings from the Posh crowd. Two defeats and a draw in the last three have seen the wheels fall of somewhat, with only 1 goal scored in that time.

What I'm saying is that we have to take advantage of the slump they are going through. I'm aware that Millwall have suddenly appeared from nowhere and stole into 6th, but I'm encouraged by the fact that Posh are faltering. It's all about working out how teams play in this league:

As a couple of their boys said. It's all grand Peterborough playing pretty football against other teams that play pretty football when the pitches are good. But come winter and against big physical, defensive team, they've struggled.

Let's work teams out.

 

[ghandi]

No, no, no. That's the population of the officially designated area of the "city" which is often a small part of the centre of the settlement. Notice how London isn't there? That's because the official City Of London is like 2 square miles. Greater London, however, is something like 8.5 million total population. The metropolitan area of Sheffield is around 2 million, isn't it? In any case, AFAIK, it goes London, Manchester, Birmingham then The Glorious Steel City in terms of population. Please correct me if I'm wrong, stats bods. Anyway, back to the disappointing football.

BTL's point was 5th largest city not the 5th largest Metropolitan area (which takes in Rotherham and parts of NE Derbyshire where Chezzy and the toytowners draw their support)

 

[blade too long]

thing is we have great support due to being a big place
if we had been as succesful as man utd we would need a 85000 seater stadium

we do get great support , but we do have a larger well to draw on than most

 

[BushBlade]

Some of our fans have become sooooooooo accepting of mediocrity!!

There is absolutely no way a club of our size, recently in the Premier League should be sat just outside the League 1 playoffs with just a few months left of the season.

This is our FITH season in this rubbish division and our squad has got progressively worse year on year as our board have sold off our better players and failed to reinvest the money made into the squad.

The combined fees for Blackman, Magiure, Murphy and the cup runs money should be enough alone to see us build a squad capable of competing with the mighty Burton Albion for the title this season.

Anybody who is happy with where our club is right now as we sit outside the League 1 playoffs needs their head looking at!!!

No one is happy.

 

[PeteBlade]

Incorrect they beat Colchester 5-1 at home in November, a team we lost to at home. They also beat 2nd placed Gillingham 3-0 away.
They also happen to be 15 points clear of us with a game in hand.
I don't think it's unreasonable for the fans of Sheffield United to expect the same level of performances and results as Burton Albion.

BTL just tends to make up stats to back his arguments as he goes along and prays no one notices.

 

[Bert]

One more away draw and Bert's had enough...