Adkins' sarcastic applause

[Barney]

I think it must be my ability to make rational decisions based on the evidence presented in front of me, whilst be able to join and enjoy the debate whilst acting in an adult and grown up manner.

I think you could learn a lot from me, just some simple things like when you have dug yourself in to a hole stop digging, and thinking before you post just in case you post something stupid that makes you appear like a weapons grade idiot.

Well, I've some real news for you. To conclude all that on the basis of a simple question asking about something raised elsewhere really does prove you to be the uneducated idiot you seem.

 

[PeteBlade]

Can anyone shed any light on to specific things Barney has been "proven to be right all along" on?

Was it when he said Billy Sharp was an appalling signing?

Was it when he took to the forum to comment in detail on a game he'd not watched and proceeded to slag off the players who'd had a good game?

Have the rules changed so we're now able to release all our players and start again without consequence?

Curtis used to do this, talk a lot of reactionary, over the top horseshit, and then when we lose a game, he'd baffling declare to have been vindicated all along.

It's child like logic.

 

[sheffielder]

Well, I've some real news for you. To conclude all that on the basis of a simple question asking about something raised elsewhere really does prove you to be the uneducated idiot you seem.

Speaking of idiots...

 

[DiggerBlade]

Regarding the OP on sarcastic applauding.

How does someone applaud in a sarcastic manner exactly?

 

[wizadry]

Play-offs and a cup-semi. Imagine if Clough had Billy last season or Coutts performing like he is this season. Think about it.

He didn't have Billy though and he played Coutts with an injury almost all the time looking at how much better he's moving now, think about it

People talk of Clough like he was a mug and they're deluded. He was infuriating at times but we ignore the fact that his ex-employees always ran through walls to work with him again. Not seeing much of that with NA, are we?

I don't like using the term deluded loosely but you only have to take a look at what he's achieved through his whole managerial career to realise that if anyone thought he would get us up this season that they are infact deluded.

Adkins has proven he can do it, i'd rather give someone like Adkins another chance over a steadying of the ship manager like Clough is. Clough is no mug but he wasn't good enough to get us promoted.

 

[wizadry]

And Clough wouldn't have took three strong midfielders off at one nil up and replaced them with Reid on the wing, Flynn centre mid and Baxter Defensive mid. Thus throwing two points away.

No, he'd have had three defenders on the bench and brought them on instead and still sat back and conceded.

 

[wizadry]

Just because Adkins has made tactical mistakes doesn't now mean Clough was going to get us promoted, it's laughable. Adkins has admitted his mistakes and said he will look into it, Clough couldn't admit himself out of a fucking hospital bed after a cold, possibly the most stubborn manager we've had in my lifetime.

 

[jodman]

This thread has some very cogent and interesting posts but having to filter through the arguments between members is infuriating.

Why don't you just conduct this diatribe via PM and spare the rest of us?

 

[Edinblade]

Play-offs and a cup-semi. Imagine if Clough had Billy last season or Coutts performing like he is this season. Think about it.

If Clough hadn't sold or fallen out with his centre halves we would probably be in the Championship. The fact that he did, sums him up.

 

[TonyAgana]

He didn't have Billy though and he played Coutts with an injury almost all the time looking at how much better he's moving now, think about it


I don't like using the term deluded loosely but you only have to take a look at what he's achieved through his whole managerial career to realise that if anyone thought he would get us up this season that they are infact deluded.

Adkins has proven he can do it, i'd rather give someone like Adkins another chance over a steadying of the ship manager like Clough is. Clough is no mug but he wasn't good enough to get us promoted.

I would've loved to have seen us kick on from Clough's first season but instead he took a far more cautious approach. Disappointing but technically he achieved a higher league finish.

He took too many gambles on unfit players and didn't relent on freezing out Collins, but I'd argue he was incredibly unlucky not to get something out of Coutts in particular, but also Cuvelier and Wallace, and not to land O'Grady. Margins were slim last season (7-6 playoff aggregate!?) so to say he simply wasn't good enough to get us promoted is unfair.

 

[Edinblade]

This thread has some very cogent and interesting posts but having to filter through the arguments between members is infuriating.

Why don't you just conduct this diatribe via PM and spare the rest of us?

Errrrr maybe because this is a forum for people to express their own point of view. If you don't like reading then don't bother. It would be a very boring forum if it had no arguments and every one agreed with each other. Sorry if I've misinterpreted the point you were trying to make.

 

[Edinblade]

I would've loved to have seen us kick on from Clough's first season but instead he took a far more cautious approach. Disappointing but technically he achieved a higher league finish.

He took too many gambles on unfit players and didn't relent on freezing out Collins, but I'd argue he was incredibly unlucky not to get something out of Coutts in particular, but also Cuvelier and Wallace, and not to land O'Grady. Margins were slim last season (7-6 playoff aggregate!?) so to say he simply wasn't good enough to get us promoted is unfair.

How is it unfair. The fact is he wasn't good enough and it was his own weaknesses which caused his failure.

 

[TonyAgana]

If Clough hadn't sold or fallen out with his centre halves we would probably be in the Championship. The fact that he did, sums him up.

Clough didn't sell our centre halves, and we don't know what happened with Butler. We only speculate. Plenty of players were willing to work with him again, though. That probably sums him up better, purely on numbers.

 

[Edinblade]

Clough didn't sell our centre halves, and we don't know what happened with Butler. We only speculate. Plenty of players were willing to work with him again, though. That probably sums him up better, purely on numbers.

I agree with what you say but who sold McGuire? Who wouldn't play Collins, who put McEverley at CB.

 

[TonyAgana]

How is it unfair. The fact is he wasn't good enough and it was his own weaknesses which caused his failure.

Coutts is arguably one of our best players this season. Clough's stubbornness with him when he was shit last season, shows me clearly that he knew better than us that he'd got a good player who desperately needed to get match-fit.

When margins are so slim, it's unfair to deem him "not good enough", in my opinion. If Clough isn't good enough, Adkins clearly isn't either.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Attention seeking to ask a question on something which has been raised on Twitter? You just get better and better. Go and like bait somewhere else, preferably away from this forum. You had a little paddy about how bad the forum has become, do the honourable...

Ha ha, Barney telling somebody to leave the forum.... what's "like bait" by the way? brownie has a point about the decline of the forum, you're doing a great job ruining it almost singlehandedly

Well, I've some real news for you. To conclude all that on the basis of a simple question asking about something raised elsewhere really does prove you to be the uneducated idiot you seem.

Personal abuse is not allowed, Barney's very hot on such things, being a sensitive soul. Get Foxy on the case brownie.....

This thread has some very cogent and interesting posts but having to filter through the arguments between members is infuriating.

Why don't you just conduct this diatribe via PM and spare the rest of us?

What, a thread about sarcastic applause elicits cogent and interesting comments? I missed those. Do you really think most people on here would prefer a private barney with ....er, Barney?

.

 

[PeteBlade]

I would've loved to have seen us kick on from Clough's first season but instead he took a far more cautious approach. Disappointing but technically he achieved a higher league finish.

He took too many gambles on unfit players and didn't relent on freezing out Collins, but I'd argue he was incredibly unlucky not to get something out of Coutts in particular, but also Cuvelier and Wallace, and not to land O'Grady. Margins were slim last season (7-6 playoff aggregate!?) so to say he simply wasn't good enough to get us promoted is unfair.

The play off score line is misleading.

We were never in the second leg and we lost the first leg at home.

 

[Barney]

Errrrr maybe because this is a forum for people to express their own point of view. If you don't like reading then don't bother. It would be a very boring forum if it had no arguments and every one agreed with each other. Sorry if I've misinterpreted the point you were trying to make.

True. Some can't even accept differences in opinions though which is why such arguments appear. It does beg the question of their registration to an online forum, because presumably they would have been aware of said differences in opinion beforehand. I suppose it's always going to be the easier option to resort to personal abuse as opposed to respect and reasonable debate. Well, for the narrow minded at least. Reasonable debate and a refusal to accept others' opinions are two levels that stay distinctly seperate. Which is why I shouldn't really be engaging with them on my level. I always seem to get dragged in and lowered to their level though.

 

[Harry's Game]

Three pages on something that may or may not (and probably didn't) happen.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Three pages on something that may or may not (and probably didn't) happen.

#weekendatbarneys

 

[TonyAgana]

The play off score line is misleading.

We were never in the second leg and we lost the first leg at home.

We were never in the second leg? Ok, we started awfully, but....

 

[PeteBlade]

We were never in the second leg? Ok, we started awfully, but....

We only levelled the score in the dying moments.
Did you think we were in the tie?
We started and continued awfully. That's why we conceded 5.

 

[wizadry]

I would've loved to have seen us kick on from Clough's first season but instead he took a far more cautious approach. Disappointing but technically he achieved a higher league finish.

He took too many gambles on unfit players and didn't relent on freezing out Collins, but I'd argue he was incredibly unlucky not to get something out of Coutts in particular, but also Cuvelier and Wallace, and not to land O'Grady. Margins were slim last season (7-6 playoff aggregate!?) so to say he simply wasn't good enough to get us promoted is unfair.

I can see why you think it's unfair but in all honesty it's true, mate. Good post 'btw'.

 

[TonyAgana]

I agree with what you say but who sold McGuire? Who wouldn't play Collins, who put McEverley at CB.

Phipps and co accepted his ambition to play at a higher level. Clough will have had precisely fuck all influence on it, other than probably to request that the board do what they can to keep him!

Rumour only, but that brings us on to Collins; if indeed he did openly tell Maguire he should take the move, I'd have been furious too. When you're trying to build a unit, he's clearly a negative influence. I wish he'd relented and brought him back for the 2nd leg but can understand his decision.

 

[wizadry]

Coutts is arguably one of our best players this season. Clough's stubbornness with him when he was shit last season, shows me clearly that he knew better than us that he'd got a good player who desperately needed to get match-fit.

When margins are so slim, it's unfair to deem him "not good enough", in my opinion. If Clough isn't good enough, Adkins clearly isn't either.

The difference being Clough had a year and a half, Adkins has had just over half a year, lets judge Adkins with Clough after atleast the same amount of time. Clough started well and declined somewhat imho, Adkins has started shaky and will hopefully get stronger, i suppose only time will tell. I personally think the worst thing we can do is sack Adkins, that would set us back even further.

 

[TonyAgana]

We only levelled the score in the dying moments.
Did you think we were in the tie?
We started and continued awfully. That's why we conceded 5.

It's play-off football, not like any other game in the league. Complete shit-or-bust stuff. By simply being there, we were in the tie. We suffered a massive blow in the first leg with Brayford's awful injury, being cheated out of a penalty, being 1-0 up and losing to a good strike in stoppage time. Probably started the second leg shell-shocked but netted 5. Of course we were in it.

 

[PeteBlade]

It's play-off football, not like any other game in the league. Complete shit-or-bust stuff. By simply being there, we were in the tie. We suffered a massive blow in the first leg with Brayford's awful injury, being cheated out of a penalty, being 1-0 up and losing to a good strike in stoppage time. Probably started the second leg shell-shocked but netted 5. Of course we were in it.

Realistically, being 3-0 down with 15 minutes after losing the first leg means we were very much out of that tie.
Clough's reaction to the Brayford injury ruined any chance of winning that first leg.

 

[TonyAgana]

Realistically, being 3-0 down with 15 minutes after losing the first leg means we were very much out of that tie.
Clough's reaction to the Brayford injury ruined any chance of winning that first leg.

It might be worth you watching the highlights or re-reading the match reports from that game. An absolute travesty that we lost that game - and not a managerial one.

 

[mosbolad]

Rumour only, but that brings us on to Collins; if indeed he did openly tell Maguire he should take the move, I'd have been furious too.

What would your advice have been TonyAgana. If you were Collins and Maguire came up to you and said, 'we are in league 1, Premiere League Hull want to sign me what should I do?'.

I think if any of us were honest we would say 'go for it lad, it's a fantastic opportunity'. What other answer in all honesty is there?

Of course how and in what circumstance this all came to the attention of Clough I have no idea. Do any of us think Clough would have stopped with us if a premiere League club had come knocking for him? If he was man enough he too would have said to Maguire that it was a great opportunity and that he wouldn't hold his ambition back. Instead he fell out with all concerned.

Maguire is now a fixture for Hull at the top of the Championship and in 4 months time could well be a Premiere League player.

 

[TonyAgana]

The difference being Clough had a year and a half, Adkins has had just over half a year, lets judge Adkins with Clough after atleast the same amount of time. Clough started well and declined somewhat imho, Adkins has started shaky and will hopefully get stronger, i suppose only time will tell. I personally think the worst thing we can do is sack Adkins, that would set us back even further.

On paper, that's absolutely right. I'm allowing feeling to come into this, though - I can't think of other examples of poor starts like this that turns into success. Barnsley stuck with Johnson because, despite losing, they were playing some good stuff. We aren't.