Adkins tenure

[Barney]

I hope and i personally think that all will be well this season and we will get autos under Adkins.
However, if for what ever reason the worst happens and we don't, either lose in play offs or finish outside the top 6, how long do you think our fans will give him? I hope the board and the fans allow him more than one full season but realistically how long do you think he will get?

 

[wizadry]

As long as it's not as painful as last year i'd certainly give him another year if we didn't manage to make it up, i do though expect a good footballing side that try their best and also expect to mount a serious challenge towards the top spot this season.

 

[dingledog]

Optimistic, it's the Blades way

 

[Ben_1982]

We need to stop chopping and changing. He should fulfil his contract and then evaluate

 

[wizadry]

We need to stop chopping and changing. He should fulfil his contract and then evaluate

So we should possibly spend another 3 years in League one then no matter what happens? I think you should evaluate after every season of where the clubs at, otherwise you could be stuck with the wrong manager. We have the knack of doing that but i think they've appointed the right one for a change this time so hopefully we'll not need to wait the full 3 years

 

[Barney]

We need to stop chopping and changing. He should fulfil his contract and then evaluate

I doubt that'd be your stance if we are still in L1 by 2017.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I hope and i personally think that all will be well this season and we will get autos under Adkins.
However, if for what ever reason the worst happens and we don't, either lose in play offs or finish outside the top 6, how long do you think our fans will give him? I hope the board and the fans allow him more than one full season but realistically how long do you think he will get?

Lets give the bloke a chance . We haven't even kicked a ball yet , and we already have a thread Adkins Tenure.

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[Barney]

Lets give the bloke a chance . We haven't even kicked a ball yet , and we already have a thread Adkins Tenure.

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If you actually read the thread properly without jumping to conclusions, i made perfectly clear what my opinion is and how i believe that Adkins should get another season even if we don't get promotion. I think it's you who needs to give others a chance.

 

[SwissBlade]

So we should possibly spend another 3 years in League one then no matter what happens? I think you should evaluate after every season of where the clubs at, otherwise you could be stuck with the wrong manager. We have the knack of doing that but i think they've appointed the right one for a change this time so hopefully we'll not need to wait the full 3 years

Perhaps it's not always about sacking the manager

 

[itsinyerblood]

I read a piece on Sky Sports News regarding Adkins and his views on loans. The suggestion was that money wasn't in abundance and that loans would be something we'd take a serious look at. I mention this because another poster - apologies, can't recall the thread - wrote that he'd heard we had a budget of between £2-3 million for the coming season. Maybe we do, maybe we don't, but I do hope that we'll seriously look at those positions we're all familiar with and actually consider buying those players who'll be crucial in our attempt to secure promotion. At least a couple of central defenders, a forward who'll act as a foil for the likes of Dunn, Adams, or McNulty, and possibly a leader in midfield. Those have been the the positions that have been mentioned again and again, so let's see how quickly Adkins recognises where we're weak.

 

[Ben_1982]

Because changing manager 7 times in the last ten years has really worked ain't it

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

If you actually read the thread properly without jumping to conclusions, i made perfectly clear what my opinion is and how i believe that Adkins should get another season even if we don't get promotion. I think it's you who needs to give others a chance.

Perhaps i have Cloughitus. .

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[Barney]

Perhaps i have Cloughitus. .

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Sorry pal i just knew somebody would completely get the wrong end of the stick and think i was already calling for Adkins head.

 

[Barney]

I read a piece on Sky Sports News regarding Adkins and his views on loans. The suggestion was that money wasn't in abundance and that loans would be something we'd take a serious look at. I mention this because another poster - apologies, can't recall the thread - wrote that he'd heard we had a budget of between £2-3 million for the coming season. Maybe we do, maybe we don't, but I do hope that we'll seriously look at those positions we're all familiar with and actually consider buying those players who'll be crucial in our attempt to secure promotion. At least a couple of central defenders, a forward who'll act as a foil for the likes of Dunn, Adams, or McNulty, and possibly a leader in midfield. Those have been the the positions that have been mentioned again and again, so let's see how quickly Adkins recognises where we're weak.

I would prefer loans over permanents, especially in this league and the amount of players we have. For example, last season Clough signed the majority of his players on permanents. This leaves us in a precarious position now as we have realised he wasn't the right manager for us but we still have all of his signings who this manager has signed. This points to the fact that we now have a squad that is over-crowded with players that have been signed by the wrong manager, meaning they are more than likely also the wrong players for us. These players are still on the books and makes it even harder to adjust and get rid of them without incurring even more costs, now that a new man has come through the door. Although i feel it won't happen, we don't want to be in the same situation with Adkins but sometimes you have to prepare for the worst no matter how unlikely you think it is, and it is the failure to do that that has cost us in the past. Loans for me.

 

[wizadry]

Because changing manager 7 times in the last ten years has really worked ain't it

Perhaps it's not always about sacking the manager

It's not the changing of managers, it's appointing the right one in the first place and i now think we've finally done it. Re read my posts lads, i never once say someone should be sacked just because we don't go up. As long as we play decent football and try our hardest things will fall into place.

 

[Barney]

It's not the changing of managers, it's appointing the right one in the first place and i now think we've finally done it. Re read my posts lads, i never once say someone should be sacked just because we don't go up. As long as we play decent football and try our hardest things will fall into place.

The problem is, you don't know if they're the right one until you appoint them i suppose.

 

[wizadry]

The problem is, you don't know if they're the right one until you appoint them i suppose.

Surely you can have a look at their track record, that would be the first thing i'd do anyway, but what do i know, i'm only a fan on a forum afterall

 

[SwissBlade]

Surely you can have a look at their track record, that would be the first thing i'd do anyway, but what do i know, i'm only a fan on a forum afterall

Warnock, Bassett, Dave Jones, Simon Grayson and Warburton all have track records for promotion from this division.... I wouldn't want any of them either...

 

[wizadry]

Warnock, Bassett, Dave Jones, Simon Grayson and Warburton all have track records for promotion from this division.... I wouldn't want any of them either...

I suppose it's all personal preferances, i just want someone who gets us up, then we can consolidate and get stability.

 

[SwissBlade]

I suppose it's all personal preferances, i just want someone who gets us up, then we can consolidate and get stability.

So do I, but I'd rather we select the right man and stick with him and the plan. The problem in football is that there are 23 other teams in this division all wanting to get up out of this league.

I've not really paid too much attention to the details of what's been said by adkins, about adkins and what were aiming for but the snippets ive see.are the same as the blue print for bringing in Clough:

- prince had a say in selecting the manager
- we want promotion
- we'll assess the squad when they come back
- it's a clean slate
- we want to achieve our aims through hard work etc

 

[itsinyerblood]

I would prefer loans over permanents, especially in this league and the amount of players we have. For example, last season Clough signed the majority of his players on permanents. This leaves us in a precarious position now as we have realised he wasn't the right manager for us but we still have all of his signings who this manager has signed. This points to the fact that we now have a squad that is over-crowded with players that have been signed by the wrong manager, meaning they are more than likely also the wrong players for us. These players are still on the books and makes it even harder to adjust and get rid of them without incurring even more costs, now that a new man has come through the door. Although i feel it won't happen, we don't want to be in the same situation with Adkins but sometimes you have to prepare for the worst no matter how unlikely you think it is, and it is the failure to do that that has cost us in the past. Loans for me.

It's a conundrum, yes, Clough signed a new team in effect and we have certain players who really aren't good enough, there again we have the likes of Basham and Done, neither would we want to get rid of. My view is that if loans are the way forward we're going to rely on luck as any decent players won't be allowed to leave their clubs. I hope I'm wrong, but loans smack more of desperation than a committed ambition to achieve promotion.....and yes, I take your points about the overhead that comes with signing players, but that's the arena we're in, it's one where those who decide they wish to get involved in running this club must appreciate what they have to do if they want to make a statement of intent. So far the Prince has been as good as his word, I hope that his pockets are deep enough to make this season the one where we gain admission to the Championship.

 

[Gavlar]

As long as it's not as painful as last year i'd certainly give him another year if we didn't manage to make it up, i do though expect a good footballing side that try their best and also expect to mount a serious challenge towards the top spot this season.

I'd take the most painful football i've ever seen if it takes us up to the championship!

 

[metalblade]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more players which are badly needed.

 

[Barney]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more player which are badly needed.

My point exactly. The permanent signings has made Adkins job even harder than it was.

 

[SwissBlade]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more players which are badly needed.

I won't agree, rather than won't admit it.

I'm sure adkins will want different players though.

 

[Blade82]

Although it's our 5th season it will be Adkins 1st with us. I hope we don't let that frustration ruin the relationship we have with him.

 

[alcoblade]

So do I, but I'd rather we select the right man and stick with him and the plan. The problem in football is that there are 23 other teams in this division all wanting to get up out of this league.

I've not really paid too much attention to the details of what's been said by adkins, about adkins and what were aiming for but the snippets ive see.are the same as the blue print for bringing in Clough:

- prince had a say in selecting the manager
- we want promotion
- we'll assess the squad when they come back
- it's a clean slate
- we want to achieve our aims through hard work etc

I'm with you on that. It's the same old Cliche's. But what else can they say.

The difference is the evidence was already there that Clough was a plodder. The evidence is there that Adkins is a winner.

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[JohnDenver]

I'm with you on that. It's the same old Cliche's. But what else can they say.

The difference is the evidence was already there that Clough was a plodder. The evidence is there that Adkins is a winner.

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All true. It'll be very interesting to see what Clough's next club does. Plodder is a pejorative description but not a baseless one. I like him and think he's a slow builder of clubs, and would have succeeded eventually. But he needs to learn how and when to loosen his team's leash before his employers sever his.

Adkins meanwhile has a CV to die for (for a club in our position). He might fail, but our recruitment criteria cannot be faulted this time.

 

[wizadry]

So do I, but I'd rather we select the right man and stick with him and the plan. The problem in football is that there are 23 other teams in this division all wanting to get up out of this league.

I've not really paid too much attention to the details of what's been said by adkins, about adkins and what were aiming for but the snippets ive see.are the same as the blue print for bringing in Clough:

- prince had a say in selecting the manager
- we want promotion
- we'll assess the squad when they come back
- it's a clean slate
- we want to achieve our aims through hard work etc

Unfortunately Clough wasn't the right man, that much is clear to me now. I do think however that Adkins is, although i'm only making judgement on what's happened in his previous jobs, so yes, lets stick with him as long as he shows that we're heading in the right direction because to me there was no evidence what so ever that with Clough we'd have gone up next season.

I never listen to all that bollocks anyway, what else are they going to say, we're going to be wank and get relegated, no, of course not, it's just all bullshit mate that has to be said for media purposes. He has a good idea what he wants but won't share it with us, why should he want to give anything away!

 

[Kev Gee]

id like to give him his 3 years.

however this is a results business.

Im sure if we dont challenge this year & the fans can see were trying to build something then they will give him time.

I dont think we need to worry thought & NA & the board already know what is required to get us up.

ignore all the PR bullshit about clean slates etc. NA will know already who to let go & who to bring in.