Adkins tenure

[grafikhaus]

All true. It'll be very interesting to see what Clough's next club does. Plodder is a pejorative description but not a baseless one. I like him and think he's a slow builder of clubs, and would have succeeded eventually.

I'm sorry, but I can't see any evidence of this:



Seven years to get Burton from 16th to 1st? Sorry. We - and most clubs - haven't got seven years to waste on the off-chance he'd have finally got it right. And Derby? Five years to stagger into the top half of the Championship and then beginning the slide back down again.

While most of us appreciate that hiring and firing is not the way forward, there comes a time when enough is enough. Talk of 'give him time' or 'he'll get it right eventually' is how piss-poor managers like McLaren keep getting employed. Wednesday have done the right thing, and so have we. Anybody watching that dross (in S2 and S6) just knew there wouldn't be any progress.

Wait until the first home game of the new season. Betcha there's more entertainment and enterprise on show than if Clough was still in charge.

 

[robbiez666]

I hope and i personally think that all will be well this season and we will get autos under Adkins.
However, if for what ever reason the worst happens and we don't, either lose in play offs or finish outside the top 6, how long do you think our fans will give him? I hope the board and the fans allow him more than one full season but realistically how long do you think he will get?

Couple of seasons for me as long as the football is good and we're progressing. In my book he's one of the best managers outside of the top flight. I have faith in him and his record.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Warnock, Bassett, Dave Jones, Simon Grayson and Warburton all have track records for promotion from this division.... I wouldn't want any of them either...

You can add Paul Jewell to the list . I do not think McCabe and Co went out to drop us in the shit intentionally , but do appear to have taken bad advice from so called professionals in the game ,i.e. Bassett helping out with the process when we appointed Weir ,Ferguson when appointing Robson.

Finance , profile of our club, league standing , aims , sky high expectations all play a part , and in the past we have had mixed messages from the board . We have had cheap , bargain basement appointments , and i suppose to some extent you get what you pay for.

In this league , i do think Adkins is the right man , again at the right time for the job . Winning football matches and looking were you are in the league makes everyone happy , when doing well.

Not really bothered how we play football , as long as we win football matches . It can be 1-0 to the Arsenal for me , as its results and promotion we are after.

Adkins will use the loan system , as we are top heavy with contracted players on the books. The blue print is the same , in a way , as for Clough . However the Clough remit was stop us getting relegated , stabilise and then kick on.

Clough just could not kick on but Adkins can. I think he his fully aware of the task in hand ,as much as us , and do wish the fella boat loads of luck . Come christmas and if Adkins is a happy man , so will we .

UTB

 

[JohnDenver]

I'm sorry, but I can't see any evidence of this:

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Seven years to get Burton from 16th to 1st? Sorry. We - and most clubs - haven't got seven years to waste on the off-chance he'd have finally got it right. And Derby? Five years to stagger into the top half of the Championship and then beginning the slide back down again.

While most of us appreciate that hiring and firing is not the way forward, there comes a time when enough is enough. Talk of 'give him time' or 'he'll get it right eventually' is how piss-poor managers like McLaren keep getting employed. Wednesday have done the right thing, and so have we. Anybody watching that dross (in S2 and S6) just knew there wouldn't be any progress.

Wait until the first home game of the new season. Betcha there's more entertainment and enterprise on show than if Clough was still in charge.

I did say slow.

But really, all the debates about Clough's record have been had out, and folk have taken their positions.

And yes, I bloody hope there's more entertainment under Adkins. But the enterprise isn't without risk. He needs to judge the squad in days, whereas we've had years to form our conclusions. We know a lot of our players are very good on their day but lack the consistency we need. We know how our strengths can be nullified, and how our squad is incredibly difficult find a balanced XI from.

I hope Morgan, as the only vestige of previous regimes, has the honesty, insight and influence to accelerate Adkins' judgements of players.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more players which are badly needed.

Metal , although i was pro Clough , and perhaps i somewhat brain washed myself , as i was desperate for him to succeed , as if he did , we as a club , fans , would be successful . It pains me to say , but you are cock on , and right . We are actually back at first base , but with higher overheads on players wages ,for mediocre players.

UTB

 

[awblade]

Same as always for me, number one thing for me is to be entertained, isn't that what we all go for afterall? If we get entertained most of the season then 'normally' promotion or a promotion challenge follows on.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

id like to give him his 3 years.

however this is a results business.

Im sure if we dont challenge this year & the fans can see were trying to build something then they will give him time.

I dont think we need to worry thought & NA & the board already know what is required to get us up.

ignore all the PR bullshit about clean slates etc. NA will know already who to let go & who to bring in.

Is this true about being given time.

Let's say the squad does not suit his needs. In that case it might take some time to sell contracted players at the right place and bring in suitable players, also at the right place.

Meanwhile we're drifting in and out of play-off places.

Perfectly valid reasons are dismissed as excuses, armchair managers propose populist but wildly unrealistic solutions, his last result was a 6-1 defeat, he's past his prime, a spent force, and it's, " Off with his head".

Not saying any of this will happen but it's far from certain he'll be given a chance.

 

[maidmarion]

We have to give him time even if it means staying in this league another year as we can't keep changing managers.
I think we have got the basis of a good team. I think some of those under performing last year were injured and fully fit I think they may improve..
It's a new season, a new manager and the players have a lot to prove. Look atvthe I improvement we got out of Flynn when Nigel Clough arrived. A new manager may just prove the rocket some of our players need.

I'm looking forward to next season, but then I look forward to every season.....I must lead a very boring life !!

 

[Gee]

Why not let him get on with his job, then judge. If he does it great if not give him time to build and do it simple
Man pressure on him before he even sees the team..

 

[Dkc]

We gave both Clough and Wilson slightly less than two seasons, we he'd have to fuck it up big time to be sacked next May. But I have no doubt that he'll be sacked if we fail this season and aren't looking any better the season after.

But I have a lot of respect for Adkins for actually coming here. He could have definitely landed a Championship job and maybe even a Premier League job. He's set up for failure here, as success will be judged in finishing in the top two or promotion via the Play Offs, whereas in higher divisions he wouldn't be judged as harshly, and mid-table finishes would earn him more time. If he fails at the Lane, he can't expect another job with a larger club anytime soon.

 

[wizadry]

We gave both Clough and Wilson slightly less than two seasons, we he'd have to fuck it up big time to be sacked next May.

This is a key thing for me, why do our board keep giving 3 year contracts whilst we are still in League one? It baffles me, we need out of this league, that much is simple, they're not giving managers longer than 2 years so give Adkins a 2 year contract instead of a 3 year one to do the job and if he gets us up in that time then give him an additional 3 years to set the stall for us to consolidate before we kick on for challenging towards the top of the Championship, if he doesn't get us up in them 2 years then unlucky mate and out you go without having to pay him off. This sounds simple but it sounds more realistic in what we are trying to achieve, afterall, football is performance and results based.

 

[metalblade]

The big difference with Adkins is........ well you only have to look at his CV. What a difference to the last two or three managers we have had, Danny Wilson usually does well in his 1st season then is dogshit, actually his 2nd for us was not too shabby to say he had his best players sold and had no cash to spend. David Weir no managerial experience the job was way too much too soon for him and then Clough who in 18 years has only a non league promotion to put on his CV a true plodder or steady hand who never had a lot of cash to spend anywhere, when we gave him some money he blew the lot on a mate who wasn't needed as urgently as a couple of CB's, is there any wonder the last three didn't see out their contracts. Anyone with more than a single brain cell will have much more confidence that Adkins will be the right man to take the club forwards in both the short and long term, I don't think many will be calling for his head if we don't win promotion next season he has done it at other clubs so there is no reason he can't be successful here but he does have a big mess to clear up first.

 

[Tezza1889]

For the first time in a very long time the board have appointed a manager that has universally been given the thumbs up from every blade I talk to and read comments from across the forums, the reason being he has promotions on his cv, has a lot of respect in the game, should we lose games bravely ther'll be no problems from the fans and board, and dare I say it, if we were not to go up but played to win, I mean really had a go for 90mins we'd be happy to stick with him..

It was difficult seeing mk, brizzle, and swindon banging goals galore in and cloughs team nicking an odd goal against teams that were getting hammered by our rivals, or even losing...a draw was good enough for clough, bored me to tears....

Somebody wrote on here that "rebuilding is ok, just not with the wrong builder in charge" that summed it up perfectly for me, we appear now to have the right builder, we will give him time because I believe we'll dish a few proper hammerings out this season, we know progress when we see it, last season we were going backwards..

I genuinely believe we will be rubbing our eyes at just how good some of our players really are, we should look forward to a first 11 that picks itself, where squad players have to push for a shirt, where managers favourites that are clearly unfit, or out of form dont get a shirt, the first team, comes first, form, fitness, before friendship...

I did think at the end clough was trying to prove himself right against the fans and his stubbonness cost him his job, refusing to use collins after brayford got injured summed him up, clearly the board were monitoring nigel a lot closer than it appeared....

Fresh start, new season, same challenge sadly, but optimism is high... I can't wait personally...

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We gave both Clough and Wilson slightly less than two seasons, we he'd have to fuck it up big time to be sacked next May. But I have no doubt that he'll be sacked if we fail this season and aren't looking any better the season after.

But I have a lot of respect for Adkins for actually coming here. He could have definitely landed a Championship job and maybe even a Premier League job. He's set up for failure here, as success will be judged in finishing in the top two or promotion via the Play Offs, whereas in higher divisions he wouldn't be judged as harshly, and mid-table finishes would earn him more time. If he fails at the Lane, he can't expect another job with a larger club anytime soon.

He may see us in the same way as Southampton . They were fucked and he rescued them , and took them to the promised land . Perhaps he has the same thinking and vision for us . If he succeeds , then the bloke can definitely walk on water and part the sea.

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

I'd take the most painful football i've ever seen if it takes us up to the championship!

The Bladey Blade fallacy in a sentence....

Proper football IS winning football. They are one and the same. History's verdict is conclusive.

 

[Pinchy]

Same as always for me, number one thing for me is to be entertained, isn't that what we all go for afterall? If we get entertained most of the season then 'normally' promotion or a promotion challenge follows on.

Hallelujah. There is light in the darkness. Thank you.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The Bladey Blade fallacy in a sentence....

Proper football IS winning football. They are one and the same. History's verdict is conclusive.

I would play like 1-0 to the Arsenal any day of the week. Good football is winning football , never mind how you play it . We will not play one type of system , it will be good football , grind out football , to achieve the aim of promotion over a long gruelling season . Short ball , long ball , you name it Adkins will play it , depending on how a game is panning out. Gavlar has a valid point . Its all about winning in League 1 , as in any league.

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

I'm sorry, but I can't see any evidence of this:

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We - and most clubs - haven't got seven years to waste on the off-chance he'd have finally got it right. .

Yet that's precisely how long it took 'Ol Big Nose and many (absurdly) would have him back...

It's a funny old world here in S2...

 

[Pinchy]

I would play like 1-0 to the Arsenal any day of the week. Good football is winning football , never mind how you play it . We will not play one type of system , it will be good football , grind out football , to achieve the aim of promotion over a long gruelling season . Short ball , long ball , you name it Adkins will play it , depending on how a game is panning out. Gavlar has a valid point . Its all about winning in League 1 , as in any league.

UTB

It matters not how many times and how carefully I explain this, does it?...

I'm off to play golf...

 

[grafikhaus]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more players which are badly needed.

And this illustrates the problem all boards face with managers. Not only do they want to bring 'their' backroom staff in as well, they demand total autonomy re. buying/selling/loaning players who they think will do well. When it doesn't work out (and it usually doesn't), they swan off with a handsome pay-off leaving somebody else to sort it out.

Imagine being in total control of a car showroom. You buy cars that you think will sell. They don't and you get the sack and it's up to somebody else to shift 'em. Meanwhile, they're not worth as much as you paid for them, they're a year older and the competition hasn't been idle.

 

[Wards]

Yet that's precisely how long it took 'Ol Big Nose and many (absurdly) would have him back...

It's a funny old world here in S2...

It's a strange one alright. A lot conveniently forget the awful football we endured before the promotion season and those before 02/03. It was really painful to watch at times, I remember being at Wolves on what I think was the last day of the season in 03/04 and many were wanting Warnock out then. It wasn't Blackwell bad but it was pretty mind numbing.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I hope and i personally think that all will be well this season and we will get autos under Adkins.
However, if for what ever reason the worst happens and we don't, either lose in play offs or finish outside the top 6, how long do you think our fans will give him? I hope the board and the fans allow him more than one full season but realistically how long do you think he will get?

Not even had a training session yet and we wonder when we're going to sack the fucker, no wonder we're where we are.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Some will never admit it but Clough has left us in the same position as he started the last season, the only difference being the squad is twice the size but no better in quality and the club now has an inflated wage bill.
Shifting the crap will be Adkins main problem before we can bring in more players which are badly needed.

Depends how good he is at polishing turds

 

[SandyMcBlade]

There is one thing though, for the two proper managers we've had since we've been down here Wilson and Clough.,their first season has been by far their best..

 

[finlaytheblade]

I won't agree, rather than won't admit it.

I'm sure adkins will want different players though.

Any new manager will have his own ideas with what he is looking for in a squad but cloughy has left us with a mainly young set of players and most will improve.The question is will some of them fit into what Atkins will try to built his team?.He has already suggested that he may have to move players on that dont fit his criteria but i do think cloughy has left us with some real potential and i think Atkins will soon see this and hopefully plug the glaring gaps in the squad (spine of team) which clough left,we are not far off having a team that can take this division in my opinion of course!

 

[Bartleby]

This is a key thing for me, why do our board keep giving 3 year contracts whilst we are still in League one? It baffles me, we need out of this league, that much is simple, they're not giving managers longer than 2 years so give Adkins a 2 year contract instead of a 3 year one to do the job and if he gets us up in that time then give him an additional 3 years to set the stall for us to consolidate before we kick on for challenging towards the top of the Championship, if he doesn't get us up in them 2 years then unlucky mate and out you go without having to pay him off. This sounds simple but it sounds more realistic in what we are trying to achieve, afterall, football is performance and results based.

If the offer of a 3 year contract was instrumental in getting Adkins in the door then I'd say it was worth it.

 

[wizadry]

If the offer of a 3 year contract was instrumental in getting Adkins in the door then I'd say it was worth it.

I can't disagree there WB, what i will say is i can't really see there been too much difference between the 2 or 3 year contract if we're in League one where he already knows the ultimate aim is promotion in his first season. Plus it sounded like Parkinson was the main man that the board was after anyway with how many times they apparently tried to approach him which is pretty frightening when you think about it. Did the board really get their main man or have we fell lucky and got Adkins

 

[Bartleby]

I can't disagree there WB, what i will say is i can't really see there been too much difference between the 2 or 3 year contract if we're in League one where he already knows the ultimate aim is promotion in his first season. Plus it sounded like Parkinson was the main man that the board was after anyway with how many times they apparently tried to approach him which is pretty frightening when you think about it. Did the board really get their main man or have we fell lucky and got Adkins

McCabe said that he had wanted to get Adkins a bit back so I do think he may have been the main target. Agree about Parkinson - that business had Bradford and Blade fans equally worried -so a win-win in the end

 

[wizadry]

McCabe said that he had wanted to get Adkins a bit back so I do think he may have been the main target. Agree about Parkinson - that business had Bradford and Blade fans equally worried -so a win-win in the end

I've never seen that regarding McCabe saying that, i'll try not to mention Parkinson and Bradford again but it has crossed my mind once or twice has that scenario, i'm not promising anything though

 

[Rodley]

It's a strange one alright. A lot conveniently forget the awful football we endured before the promotion season and those before 02/03. It was really painful to watch at times, I remember being at Wolves on what I think was the last day of the season in 03/04 and many were wanting Warnock out then. It wasn't Blackwell bad but it was pretty mind numbing.

That'll be times under a manager who apart from couple of seasons was signing the likes of Andy Woodward and Laurent D'Jaffo as he had a budget of a couple of quid less than **** all. I've literally never heard of fans of a club who are determined to rip apart past players and managers which, one the whole, did very well with us and heralded one of few periods of success over the last 50 years.

The only Bladey Bladesness trait, having left Sheffield, that I can identify is the incredible capacity to moan about ex players / managers, wish players who have moved up the football ladder ill and spend hours / days delving into the full stops and commas of press releases in the vain attempt they can find anything negative.

That's said, UTB