Wilder OUT - megathread

[CPB]

We’ve got a top ten budget, top half at worse. The fact that wilder has once again squandered it on dross needs to be called out.

Wage bill. Budget was bottom.

That is irrelevant tonight though as we had enough to get past Fleetwood and we're 2nd best. It was an awful performance.

This result though will just make the ones that want him out to regurgitate that opinion. Dont think we learn much new.

Saturday now becomes even trickier because we need a response. And Stoke are hitting form.

 

[HarryHaslam]

The squad is bad in lots of ways but it’s nowhere near as bad as these performances. Nowhere near.

I’m not Wilder out but I’m wavering.

Agreed. This squad should be playing a lot better, not really seeing any promising tactics, patterns of play or any sort of in game management which makes you think we are heading the right way. It’s just really really poor football.

For me Wilder has always been the right man for the job, always. But like you I am also now wavering and I am unsure if he now is the right man. The league is where it’s at and I honestly believe this squad should be knocking at the play offs door, so I’m not shouting Wilder out just yet but our play has to drastically improve over the next few games, not totally given up that he can get us going but I am wavering.

 

[Red Wing Blade]

If we do sack Wilder then once, just for once, can we not rush the replacement appointment and actually interview people, or consider poaching a manager from someone else? The sad reality is that this club probably would go back to Hecky. The performances could remain crap but we might start winning and for a lot of fans that's enough because they won't accept that the performance is as, if not more important than the results. Good performances lead to good results. Good results with poor performances gradually lead to a downfall which is exactly what has happened to us over the last two seasons.

Being honest we've played badly for nearly five seasons now. In our promotion season under Hecky we didn’t play amazingly well all season. The following season was an inevitable shambles. The season after that we were outplayed by nearly everyone we came up against but somehow got to 92 points. Other than a run of about 7 games last season we were dire all of last season with inconsistent results. As for this season it's been a shameful embarrassment.

Why do teams with lower budgets and "inferior" squads always play better football than us home and away? Why aren't Sheffield United fans allowed to watch a good game of football and able to walk out of a ground saying "we played really well today?"

Why do our fans accept mediocrity so easily, and worse than that defend it. Bang average players get hero worshipped or exaggerated. I just don't get why we can't play football if it's not the manager who's at fault.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Are you blind? He will get us relegated.

No, I don’t think he would but then my idea of a season with a experienced manager who has largely had plenty of time is not yippee we might avoid relegation!

 

[sportsmanblade]

shows the levels of our players RND confirmed he's still toss
what's point playing 442 when your wingers wanna cut in all time cus there on wrong foot just get to the line and cross it


Harrison Neal > Oli Arblaster

 

[Bladesman]

I think the silent minority are about to become the vocal majority in the next few games.

I can see Lincoln match being a powderkeg in the stands between the blind faithful and those who can look past 2019

This result is partly him not wanting to progress because even the commentator for Sky thought we would change it up at half time.

 

[Gimli]

Jesus… what game have we actually deserved a point from this season? What’s it going to take to realise in wilders latest tenures anything positive has come from moments of brilliance from gifted footballs and nothing to do with wilders tactical genius.

Correct.

Could we honestly feel hard done to if we had zero points this season?

In what games have we actually, genuinely deserved anything?

Maybe a draw v Swansea was fair.
Maybe we deserved a point on Sunday (generous)

Any others…?

 

[sufc323]

Each time he’s come back I always think maybe he’s had time to reflect and won’t be so stubborn, but each version is a lesser talented version of the one before, with even more stubbornness and even more narrow minded

 

[luffenhamblade]

If we do sack Wilder then once, just for once, can we not rush the replacement appointment and actually interview people, or consider poaching a manager from someone else? The sad reality is that this club probably would go back to Hecky. The performances could remain crap but we might start winning and for a lot of fans that's enough because they won't accept that the performance is as, if not more important than the results. Good performances lead to good results. Good results with poor performances gradually lead to a downfall which is exactly what has happened to us over the last two seasons.

Being honest we've played badly for nearly five seasons now. In our promotion season under Hecky we didn’t play amazingly well all season. The following season was an inevitable shambles. The season after that we were outplayed by nearly everyone we came up against but somehow got to 92 points. Other than a run of about 7 games last season we were dire all of last season with inconsistent results. As for this season it's been a shameful embarrassment.

Why do teams with lower budgets and "inferior" squads always play better football than us home and away? Why aren't Sheffield United fans allowed to watch a good game of football and able to walk out of a ground saying "we played really well today?"

Why do our fans accept mediocrity so easily, and worse than that defend it. Bang average players get hero worshipped or exaggerated. I just don't get why we can't play football if it's not the manager who's at fault.

For goodness sake not Hecky - just stop it. Stop it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

All those defending him are doing so on the basis that it will all somehow work out. Despite what they are actually witnessing now.

 

[skegblade]

Losing in the cup is nothing new, I agree. But being outplayed for 75 minutes of a cup game by a league 2 team is definitely something new. The reaction of the travelling fans tells you everything you need to know. A simple boo and walk out for a long journey home normally suffices. Why are you defending a man who once again after a loss is the first down the tunnel? 0 accountability can’t be his fault could it. He can’t for a second think he owes the fans an apology.

last season we were poor when he returned in the prem we were poor now magically it’s cause he didn’t trust the group? Give me a break.

You forgot prem league empty stadium at 70 mins ,no one left to boo at 90mins
Today was a disgrace commitment and defo tactics,thats down to the headcoach and backroom staff lose another before international break and hes / they are toast
Heckys available

 

[NerdyBlade]

shows the levels of our players RND confirmed he's still toss
what's point playing 442 when your wingers wanna cut in all time cus there on wrong foot just get to the line and cross it


Harrison Neal > Oli Arblaster

Don't play 442 then - but we know who's fault that is

 

[Bladesman]

Agreed. This squad should be playing a lot better, not really seeing any promising tactics, patterns of play or any sort of in game management which makes you think we are heading the right way. It’s just really really poor football.

For me Wilder has always been the right man for the job, always. But like you I am also now wavering and I am unsure if he now is the right man. The league is where it’s at and I honestly believe this squad should be knocking at the play offs door, so I’m not shouting Wilder out just yet but our play has to drastically improve over the next few games, not totally given up that he can get us going but I am wavering.

He is bigging up the international break and with injured players coming back.

So we best see something from that because what's being served up now is crap.

 

[Guesty]

Correct.

Could we honestly feel hard done to if we had zero points this season?

In what games have we actually, genuinely deserved anything?

Maybe a draw v Swansea was fair.
Maybe we deserved a point on Sunday (generous)

Any others…?

Birmingham didn't deserve to win that match any more than we did, but I admit that's slightly clutching at straws.

 

[YES Blade]

A good part of the reason why we are in this situation is because he’s continually spent MILLIONS on absolute dross that he’s got no idea how to actually put into a functioning football team.

The absolutely abysmal recruitment over recent seasons is going to haunt us for years to come. Signing has been shit on multiple year contracts while other teams sign players with potential to develop and grow in value. We may well need a relegation and re-set to finally break the mould. It might actually be more entertaining than watching slow, one dimensional football with absolutely zero creativity.

We’ve been outplayed in most games this season and we are very fortunate to have 9 points.

100% agree, this season should’ve been about rebuilding for a promotion push next season or the year after.

The players we’ve signed will leave at the end of the season and we’ll be in worse position than we were at the end of last season.

 

[blades_95]

Said this is in the match thread but the lack of accountability for poor tactics, miserable press conferences & the ‘woe is me’ attitude and running from ‘the punters’ after defeats is all wearing extremely thin.

Him and his mates are dividing the fanbase with their attitude, and at the moment they’ve got very little to back it up. He’s managing his boyhood club with a top 8 championship budget, but the negativity is seeping through the club at the moment & Wilder is a big cause of it.

 

[sportsmanblade]

Don't play 442 then - but we know who's fault that is

makes pitch to small and easy to defend against only started attacking once we went behind
cant defend wilder anymore its got to be his fault

 

[pedro]

Wilder said this was a game against tough opposition in his presser. He does this every week these days, it's like he's getting his excuses in early and it's a far cry from his first term at the club.

Problem with this inferior version of Wilder we have now is he actually fears teams, all teams. Not just Liverpool away but now Fleetwood away. Carry on it will be Altrincham away before we know it.

Wilder 1:0 was fearless. Example down to 10 men in the first half against Brentford in the promotion year. Late in the game he puts a 2nd striker on even though we are under the cosh, that striker gets us a 2nd goal and we win the game. It was brave, ambitious and led to our promotion.

Wilder 2:0 was not as brave but got us into a habit of winning ugly until we got found out by Burnley and Leeds before slipping away.

Wilder 3:0 is out of ideas, always on the defensive when interviewed and cuts a hapless figure IMO. In his defence the owners have fooked him over this summer, but that doesn't excuse why he can't become Wilder 1:0 again.

Wilder loves the club no doubt, but after all that has happened since Wilder 1:0 and the glory days can you ever get that spark back? Can you really resurrect a marriage after all the trauma and drama that has happened between Wilder and the owners (present and past)?

I don't believe it can.

Sideways backwards sideways backwards all the time ooh let's lump it up front oh dear an opposition player has got there first so lrts carry on sideways backwards etc etc what a poor team management

 

[dc_blade]

Agreed. This squad should be playing a lot better, not really seeing any promising tactics, patterns of play or any sort of in game management which makes you think we are heading the right way. It’s just really really poor football.

For me Wilder has always been the right man for the job, always. But like you I am also now wavering and I am unsure if he now is the right man. The league is where it’s at and I honestly believe this squad should be knocking at the play offs door, so I’m not shouting Wilder out just yet but our play has to drastically improve over the next few games, not totally given up that he can get us going but I am wavering.

Too early in the season to sack him, in my opinion. I don't think the squad is as good as you're suggesting but midtable, yes.

Let's see what he can do in the games after the international break. But something needs to change sharpish because at the moment it feels like a relegation season.

 

[Gateford Blade]

Wilder = Porterfield. Signing old, slow, past it “experience” who get overrun by young athletic players. Time to go Chris. Thanks for the memories. And they are memories as it’s a long time since you were any good

 

[Red Wing Blade]

He is bigging up the international break and with injured players coming back.

So we best see something from that because what's being served up now is crap.

He's had a whole pre-season so there's no excuse that he needs more time. We're 7 games into a 46 game season and we can already see how this season is going to pan out.

Too many changes of formations and team selections. How can a team play consistently when there's no consistency in who is going to play and how they're going to play? There's way too much tinkering even when there aren't injuries.

 

[sportsmanblade]

Baptiste not even getting a look in when he played all pre season whats point of him being there

 

[Barnette]

Rothwell
Phillips
BBD
Ayew
Doherty
Bamford
Jairo
Hamza
Campbell

Wilder you really have wasted a lot of dosh on that lot.

 

[RAH_blade]

I think he should go now. I don''t have faith that he can improve the team in the international break. With the exception of Souttar, he's got what he wanted including both Jairo and Phillips. The only Selles players left are tanganga, mcguinness and chong (and zatterstrom). But for me, they are not the biggest problems. It's CM and creativity. We had months and months to plan for this season and it doesnt look any better than last season. I hate how chippy he is in press conferences, it's not funny or in a way that is defending the club, I don't find it professional. There are valid criticisms of his tenure yet he is dismissive of all of them.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Agreed. This squad should be playing a lot better, not really seeing any promising tactics, patterns of play or any sort of in game management which makes you think we are heading the right way. It’s just really really poor football.

For me Wilder has always been the right man for the job, always. But like you I am also now wavering and I am unsure if he now is the right man. The league is where it’s at and I honestly believe this squad should be knocking at the play offs door, so I’m not shouting Wilder out just yet but our play has to drastically improve over the next few games, not totally given up that he can get us going but I am wavering.

Balanced view whatever anyone’s position. Far more to it than “but Seriki dint play” wails.

 

[Nelson1889]

Don't play 442 then - but we know who's fault that is

Oh oh I know the answer to this one.......it's the punters isn't it

 

[NerdyBlade]

Too early in the season to sack him, in my opinion. I don't think the squad is as good as you're suggesting but midtable, yes.

Let's see what he can do in the games after the international break. But something needs to change sharpish because at the moment it feels like a relegation season.

Why on earth should we give him that long? What has he done to warrant any stay of execution? What signs have we sign that he can and will improve?

 

[Bladesman]

He's had a whole pre-season so there's no excuse that he needs more time. We're 7 games into a 46 game season and we can already see how this season is going to pan out.

Too many changes of formations and team selections. How can a team play consistently when there's no consistency in who is going to play and how they're going to play? There's way too much tinkering even when there aren't injuries.

The fact he didn't stick to the same formation as Sunday, suggests he wasn't that bothered about winning tonight.

He went back to the crap formation and unsurprisingly it resulted in crap football.

When it comes to cup games he needs to stop wasting everyone's time and money.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Lets get him that chews gum who was on MOTD the other night.

 

[NerdyBlade]

I genuinely would take this guy atm if it meant we'd change something