Wilder OUT - megathread

[harrry1990s]

Boro have an excellent owner eh, that didn't help Wilder at Boro, in fact Wilder was sacked by Gibson with Boro in 22nd place

Sure, he’s still a good owner.

I’m not defending Wilder. I am just saying that the ownership problem is bigger than the manager problem at this moment in time.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Then what are we? Because we're sure as fuck not a "survival at all costs" side like CW is setting us up as

I'm hoping we're mid table and clear of danger and hopefully stay close enough to 8th to keep the season alive into spring. We're 3 games in and we are very short in certain areas. Today was terrible but we're at least grinning out results in this difficult spell.

 

[NerdyBlade]

What is it that you’re expecting us to get at the end of this season?

Realistically.

We are not one of the top 6 clubs at the moment, that may be difficult to accept but it’s where we are.

I don't expect us to be anywhere near the top 4, but you'd think with the squad we have and players we've got, top 8 is achievable.

Play like we have been, and we'll be lucky for 12th

 

[NerdyBlade]

I'm hoping we're mid table and clear of danger and hopefully stay close enough to 8th to keep the season alive into spring. We're 3 games in and we are very short in certain areas. Today was terrible but we're at least grinning out results in this difficult spell.

Grinding out results? 7 shots on target. 2 goals. We're fucking dire offensively, and have a manager that seems to want us to sit back and defend while he makes random, nonsensical defensive substitutions

Are you honestly telling me with players as talented as Cooper, Bamford, Tanganga, COH ect that we should be a midtable side?

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Yep, I won’t deny it is. I said as much on the shoutbox during the game….but it’s a point gained

We lack creativity badly and we clearly don’t have the money you need to sign those types of players unfortunately.

I think Wilder knows that & he’s gone for the tough to beat route.

Hopefully we can express ourselves a bit more at home. Still undefeated, reasons to be positive

Be astute and shrewd in the market then. Look elsewhere, unearth a gem. Wilder used to be fairly good at that. He’s fallen far beyond that now. Or the club have. We’re still a good loan option despite the off the field stuff. Donovan I like, even before Blackburn, but time will tell if that was a shrewd move. We need more of that elsewhere.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Penny has dropped with me after today.
.....Wilder is a Triceratops

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Grinding out results? 7 shots on target. 2 goals. We're fucking dire offensively, and have a manager that seems to want us to sit back and defend while he makes random, nonsensical defensive substitutions

Yep that's pretty much what grinding out results means. Again it's only 3 games in.

Are you honestly telling me with players as talented as Cooper, Bamford, Tanganga, COH ect that we should be a midtable side?

Yes I think our squad is a mid table squad certainly as it is right now

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I dont think we are a team with aspirations of going up. I'm surprised you do

I’m of the aspiration that we make top 8 with the squad we have. Only Wilder will harm this aspiration hence my opinion on him.

 

[Houston_Blade]

And are you telling me that a team with aspirations of going up should look as bad as we have in those 3 league games?

I don’t think we should have aspirations of going up, mid table obscurity would be a bonus with the business we’ve done and the nonsense going on behind the scenes.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Top 8 is strong this year

Best we can hope for is about 10th

 

[metalblade]

While ever we have these clueless owners Wilder will get a free ride.

 

[NerdyBlade]

Yep that's pretty much what grinding out results means. Again it's only 3 games in.

The fact that you're happy with draws and our lack of offensive output is laughable

Yes I think our squad is a mid table squad certainly as it is right now

COH - one of the best attacking mids in the league. Bamford is a proven Champ goalscorer. Tanganga one of the best CBs in the league. Cooper on his day is a top 3 keeper in the league. Add in other talents like McCallum, Donovan, Burrows ect and we should be comfortably top 8.

It's nothing to do with finances or talent. It's tactics. And that falls on one man

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I don’t think we should have aspirations of going up, mid table obscurity would be a bonus with the business we’ve done and the nonsense going on behind the scenes.

Why should the squad we have make you think we are only mid table?

 

[NerdyBlade]

Almost on cue - fucking Choudry.

Wilder will not take risks, he won't sign to develop, and he won't sign exciting. He'll sign the same players year in year out.

What's the definition of insanity again?

 

[Rodley]

“Wilder In” has dropped to 80.5%!!!

 

[Champagneblade]

Woah let’s not just say “the board”. Yes they’re partly responsible but the manager also has to take responsibility. Look at Hull last year!! They didn’t have money to spend and pretty much went with freebies too. Got the tactics right, an identity and won games.

When you look at the balance of the team it’s a wtaf? How many cdms? Shortage of wingers etc. chasing old targets etc etc

You’re using Hull as the example, which I think should give us encouragement, but they are very much the exception not the rule.

Their xG should have seen them relegated or at least bottom four.

It’s a bit like saying someone else pulled off a miracle therefore so should we.

I don’t think the manager can take responsibility for the Board selling his two most valuable players.

I’m not going to say a bad performance was a good one. There is a limit to what the manager can do. The number of times we turned over possession of put a careless misplaced pass, Wilder must have been pulling his hair out as much as anyone.

 

[Balham]

Yep that's pretty much what grinding out results means. Again it's only 3 games in.

Yes I think our squad is a mid table squad certainly as it is right now

If our squad is midtable, why the fuck are we scraping a draw against a newly promoted side having let them take thirty shots on goal?!

 

[Gimli]

“Wilder In” has dropped to 80.5%!!!

80.2% now! He’s sinking like a stone!

 

[Thrice]

It's hard to argue in favour of Wilder after games like today. Thoroughly outclassed by a newly promoted team. Doesn't get more damning for a manager.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

The fact that you're happy with draws and our lack of offensive output is laughable

COH - one of the best attacking mids in the league. Bamford is a proven Champ goalscorer. Tanganga one of the best CBs in the league. Cooper on his day is a top 3 keeper in the league. Add in other talents like McCallum, Donovan, Burrows ect and we should be comfortably top 8.

It's nothing to do with finances or talent. It's tactics. And that falls on one man

Oh it's laughable. We're 3 games it's too early to go off like this.

Comfortably top 8. Who are you actually kidding here? So obvious as soon as the season started you'd pretend we had a brilliant squad.

West Ham, Wolves, Millwall, Burnley, Southampton, Norwich, Middlesbrough, Wrexham are 8 teams who are obviously better than us right now. Comfortably top 8 is wildly optimistic and I think the vast majority of fans would agree.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

The truth is HIS team should be sitting on 0 to 1 points after the three games we’ve played. We aren’t always going to get so lucky.

 

[NerdyBlade]

Oh it's laughable. We're 3 games it's too early to go off like this.

It really isn't. We've been dross for those 3 games. I'll point out that after Bristol last season, a large portion wanted Selles gone.

Comfortably top 8. Who are you actually kidding here? So obvious as soon as the season started you'd pretend we had a brilliant squad.

You laud the season we got 92pts - how different is this squad to that? We don't have Hamer, Anel, Souza, Brooks - who else are we missing?

West Ham, Wolves, Millwall, Burnley, Southampton, Norwich, Middlesbrough, Wrexham are 8 teams who are obviously better than us right now. Comfortably top 8 is wildly optimistic and I think the vast majority of fans would agree.

Again - with our squad and the talent we have, we should be competing with those teams. The fact that we aren't falls solely on Wilder

 

[NerdyBlade]

If our squad is midtable, why the fuck are we scraping a draw against a newly promoted side having let them take thirty shots on goal?!

Hell, without even having to look at how many shots against us: Stoke haven't won a game all season, and look horrendous.

They've had more Shots on Target this season than we have in the league

 

[Peaktrade]

You’re using Hull as the example, which I think should give us encouragement, but they are very much the exception not the rule.

Their xG should have seen them relegated or at least bottom four.

It’s a bit like saying someone else pulled off a miracle therefore so should we.

I don’t think the manager can take responsibility for the Board selling his two most valuable players.

I’m not going to say a bad performance was a good one. There is a limit to what the manager can do. The number of times we turned over possession of put a careless misplaced pass, Wilder must have been pulling his hair out as much as anyone.

Calling Hull a “one-off” misses the wider point.


They’ve got John Egan, Regan Slater, Kieran Dowell and Oli McBurnie four of our former players in a side that beat Manchester United 2–0 last week. Add John Lundstram, who helped get them promoted.


These are players who were supposedly no longer good enough for us, yet they’re now succeeding elsewhere. Meanwhile, on paper, we had a considerably stronger squad and still failed to get the best out of it.


Hull’s result alone proves nothing, but their overall progress makes the comparison entirely relevant. To me, it points towards a managerial and tactical failure at United. Setting up with eight defensively minded outfield players, plus the goalkeeper, was absurdly negative and wilder seems to give the opposition too much respect

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Again - with our squad and the talent we have, we should be competing with those teams. The fact that we aren't falls solely on Wilder

Ok I just disagree nothing much else to say.

how different is this squad to that? We don't have Hamer, Anel, Souza, Brooks - who else are we missing?

I defend them when people claim it was a terrible season. This squad is very different. Gilchrist, Souttar, Rak-Sayki, Keifer Moore were important players. Brewster as well by the end. Even Jack Robinson God bless his soul.

I think your expectations are a bit silly but I hope you're right

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

If our squad is midtable, why the fuck are we scraping a draw against a newly promoted side having let them take thirty shots on goal?!

I'd expect Cardiff to be mid table. It's away from home 3 games in with us needing to add players quite desperately. I think it's fine

 

[metalblade]

Ok I just disagree nothing much else to say.

I defend them when people claim it was a terrible season. This squad is very different. Gilchrist, Souttar, Rak-Sayki, Keifer Moore were important players. Brewster as well by the end. Even Jack Robinson God bless his soul.

I think your expectations are a bit silly but I hope you're right

Gilchrist, Brewster and even Jack Robinson ............ now who's being silly?

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Gilchrist, Brewster and even Jack Robinson ............ now who's being silly?

They played significant roles in a team that got 92 points

 

[Upton_Blade]

After 3 games Hull were 15th with 4 points

Where did they finish?

And who currently has 6 points from 2 games in the PL

 

[Tazzy]

One trick pony that's lost his trick .Time to get shut now i dont see a end product with the formations what ever they are. And the lets go back to the same shite players and put them in the team anywhere and hope for the best