CONFIRMED Kalvin Phillips

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its obvious wilder wants him back in but owt over us paying max 25k of his salary and its a risk but he could be immense for us with a good pre season behind him could be a good deal for all 3 parties
 
mattbianco1 said:
I liked Riedewald, but a Kalvin Phillips that can play 30+ games in a season is head and shoulders above Jairo's standard
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I am assuming Wilder wasn't confident that Jairo could play a full 90 minutes consistently even with a pre-season.

I'd have liked to have kept Jairo anyway though as he can cover as a CB.
 
GeorgeDonis1889 said:
It will indeed. Last year the same people pissing their pants over this were crowing about how progressive and modern Sellès and our recruitment was. Any negativity was mocked. Any pointing out the complete garbage we were signing arrogantly dismissed. And here they all are again, so smug and sure of themselves still.
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Ironic, fans are now crowing about how good Wilder is, whilst others are pretty clear on his downfalls.
 
Outside of me thinking Riedewald was a much better option for a lot of reasons, my other concern is how much Kalvin Phillips really wants it.

Appreciate he might have expressed a desire to return, but when he joined on loan his main motivation was seemingly being closer to home.
If, as you'd expect, he's still going to be picking up his near £200k a week salary, how bothered is he about the on field stuff?
His fall from grace has been pretty spectacular and he's really struggled with his fitness and discipline.

He has it in his locker to be far too good for this level, but there must be a reason things haven't worked out for him at West Ham, Ipswich and us..
 
elgoog44 said:
he not been playing week in week out for three years, maybe the reason he fancies it here at United is that he can get back to playing a lot more and hopefully find that elusive form?

A pre-season means integrating in with any new players, understanding how they play and how we want to play so i dont think it's useless although if we went on last seasons then i do agree!
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Theres also a reason for that. He’s a poor footballer. He was dreadful at West Ham, laughably bad at Ipswich and equally as bad with us. He’s shown nothing, absolutely nothing to warrant us (sorry Wilder) fawning over him. The one thing he did is get sent off against Wednesday. Outside of that?
 
Bladesman said:
I am assuming Wilder wasn't confident that Jairo could play a full 90 minutes consistently even with a pre-season.

I'd have liked to have kept Jairo anyway though as he can cover as a CB.
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It's the only reason I can think we got rid. Perhaps that's why we picked him up mid season as he had a underlying issue?
 
Danetheblade said:
Theres also a reason for that. He’s a poor footballer. He was dreadful at West Ham, laughably bad at Ipswich and equally as bad with us. He’s shown nothing, absolutely nothing to warrant us (sorry Wilder) fawning over him. The one thing he did is get sent off against Wednesday. Outside of that?
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Hes no ibrahim kone I'll.give you that
 
Berkshire Blade said:
It's not impossible for him to be a success for us.

But when you look at how little football he has played since we called COVID 19 coronavirus it feels a little unlikely.

I would have been less concerned if it was WITH Jario rather than instead of.
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To reiterate your last sentence - I just took a look at stats for both since 22/23 season (I count as post covid for what its worth)

KP: 67 games played in - (In match day squads for 124 games)
JR: 75 games played in - (in match day squads for 123 games)

Whilst JR has a better record in the last couple of years, its interesting both have been available to play for almost the exact same number of matches - with Phillips mainly suffering from playing (or not) for Man City.
I do think Jairo's recurrence of hamstring injuries (as we saw this season) is a reason we've opted for KP instead.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Outside of me thinking Riedewald was a much better option for a lot of reasons, my other concern is how much Kalvin Phillips really wants it.

Appreciate he might have expressed a desire to return, but when he joined on loan his main motivation was seemingly being closer to home.
If, as you'd expect, he's still going to be picking up his near £200k a week salary, how bothered is he about the on field stuff?
His fall from grace has been pretty spectacular and he's really struggled with his fitness and discipline.

He has it in his locker to be far too good for this level, but there must be a reason things haven't worked out for him at West Ham, Ipswich and us..
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For all the stick CW gets, I think he'd be able to tell if Phillips 'wants it'. If he was going through the motions, there's no chance he'd be coming back here.

Hard to tell much from the training videos etc. but he did seem a happy relaxed figure in the snippets you see.
 



Bladesman said:
I'd have liked to have kept Jairo anyway though as he can cover as a CB
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Good point. And left footed... get him at LCB!

CaptainMorgans said:
Appreciate he might have expressed a desire to return, but when he joined on loan his main motivation was seemingly being closer to home.
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I remember him saying that, was it a slip of the tongue? I'm not sure where he lives but Manchester to Leeds, or Sheffield to Leeds is about the same.
Even if he lives in Wilmslow/Bramhall, like a lot of the Manc players, there's nothing in it commuting-wise.

I don't think he was planning on upping sticks and moving to Sheffield or Leeds.
 
Danetheblade said:
Like last season, or the season before that? Or the season at Middlesbrough? Lol.
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To be fair to Wilder, he got last season's (24/25) team exactly where it should have been: third. The issue which gets glossed over is that we were in with a great shout of finishing top or second, only to throw it away with two awful defeats at bottom 5 teams over Easter. We then choked badly at Wembley which was 10% down to VAR and 90% down to Wilder not reacting to the situation.

The pass Wilder gets for last season is ridiculous. Yes, recruitment and preparation were poor but Wilder was appointed on September 15th. He had 8 months and 40 league matches to get 74 points. We got 60 and a team where half the players clearly didn't want to play for him.
 
If he’s the one, get him in early.

No point in fucking about when he’s a moon orbit away from cities first team and he’s top target and seemingly wants to come.

Need to get the squad shaped up as early as possible this summer not 4 games into the season after dropping stupid points due to having massive gaping squad gaps for the first few games like last season.
 
I think (and hope) that a fully fit Kalvin Phillips will be a great addition to the side. As always time will tell if he goes one way or the other.

Another blindingly obvious point is that it’s surely better to get business done as soon as possible with him and any other ins and outs.

Wilder has set his stall out verbally with his intentions early enough, it’s a pretty crucial season for his future at the club also so it’s in everyone’s best interests not to be scratching around a couple of days before the first match (or after!)

On last couple of seasons evidence there is understandable scepticism on Philips but he should be a game changer at this level.
 
Balham said:
The pass Wilder gets for last season is ridiculous. Yes, recruitment and preparation were poor but Wilder was appointed on September 15th. He had 8 months and 40 league matches to get 74 points. We got 60 and a team where half the players clearly didn't want to play for him.
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So a 50% improvement in the team players that wanted to play for Selles then?
 
GeorgeDonis1889 said:
Yes it was the players being too stupid to understand the brilliant mind of Sellés.

Good god.
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Selles preached the virtues of vertical football, to me that means - up in the air as per hoofball.


Vertical describes a direction, line, or plane that points straight up and down, perpendicular to the horizon or a flat, level surface (at a \(90^{\circ }\) angle). It aligns with the direction of gravity. [1, 2, 3]

Though apparently vertical football is played on the horizontal plane i.e. on the ground.

Much like the modern generation use the term sick, being something that is 'well good innit', as opposed to the illness or upset stomach of my generation.

Maybe more the bastardisation of the English language rather than stupidity?
 
Danetheblade said:
I think it mostly boils down to the players being thick as mince and unable to understand outside the box thinking.
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The problem was that ALL the players were in the opposition box leaving nothing in defence apart from a beleaguered goalkeeper.
 
Not sure if people are being deliberately obtuse about ‘vertical’ football, it’s a style of football that’s been played since the 90s and is the antithesis of sideways, possession based, pep-ball that everyone hates to watch that wilder has insisted on playing for the last two seasons.

The fact the players wouldn’t/couldn’t buy into the type of football played with success at other clubs is probably more of a sign of the poor mentality of footballers we’ve filled the squad with.

All but a few down tools for both managers last season, Wilder is supposed to be best at creating the Boot Room squad mentality he nicked from Bassett but even that deserted him this year, but even he couldn’t get this squad to be arsed.
 



KMC-1889 said:
Not sure if people are being deliberately obtuse about ‘vertical’ football, it’s a style of football that’s been played since the 90s and is the antithesis of sideways, possession based, pep-ball that everyone hates to watch that wilder has insisted on playing for the last two seasons
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Basically push all the arrows forwards on Champ Man

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