CONFIRMED Kalvin Phillips

[Blade56]

Semantics, Pep is off and Philips will be int first team come the summer

 

[Blade56]

Hearing Danny Rohl is lined up to replace Pep

 

[redandwhitewizard]

So in this bizarre game of fantasy football where does that leave us with Kyle Walker?

 

[The Fox]

So in this bizarre game of fantasy football where does that leave us with Kyle Walker?

Its crackers mate.

When people aren't taking the piss out of S6 for wanting Bazza and Vardy they're wanting Kyle Walker and Billy as Player coach .

Its going to be a very long summer .

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Yes he does have his heart set on it. Needs to be same deal agreed with Man City though to make it happen. Let’s see I’m expecting him here next season

I hope he does come but not at a financial burden we'll regret

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Yes he does have his heart set on it. Needs to be same deal agreed with Man City though to make it happen. Let’s see I’m expecting him here next season

It's typical Wilder. It doesn't matter what everybody saw with their own eyes during his short spell here, he wants him so he's having him.

I saw nothing in Phillps' play that suggested he's any better than Riedewald and when he wasn't suspended, he was injured.

Economically, my guess would be Phillips was on £40k a week (our share) and Riedewald about £20k a week.

So where we could have had 2 x players at £20k a week (very decent wage at our level), we've gone all in on a massive gamble on Phillips, not just in terms of form, but also discipline and fitness..

Is this because he's a "culture carrier?"

 

[UddersBlade]

It's typical Wilder. It doesn't matter what everybody saw with their own eyes during his short spell here, he wants him so he's having him.

I saw nothing in Phillps' play that suggested he's any better than Riedewald and when he wasn't suspended, he was injured.

Economically, my guess would be Phillips was on £40k a week (our share) and Riedewald about £20k a week.

So where we could have had 2 x players at £20k a week (very decent wage at our level), we've gone all in on a massive gamble on Phillips, not just in terms of form, but also discipline and fitness..

Is this because he's a "culture carrier?"

I think you’ll find we aren’t paying City anything. He wants to play - & is mates with Bamford. That is why he’s here & likely wants to come back next season.

 

[TJ blade]

Hold that thought!

I've not ruled wilder out of signing Deli Ali

 

[Blade56]

I've not ruled wilder out of signing Deli Ali

FFS stop putting ideas in his head that he can somehow take the most troubled, fallen from grace, injury riddled players and grab a bargain by resurrecting them.

 

[Brian Deane]

FFS stop putting ideas in his head that he can somehow take the most troubled, fallen from grace, injury riddled players and grab a bargain by resurrecting them.

What's Coutts up to these days

 

[Kenilworth]

Take the two Wednesday games this season, Jairo in one and Phillips in the other.

At Hillsborough, Jairo nullified their midfield, broke up the play and it therefore allowed us to create chance after chance. We could’ve realistically won that game by four or five considering how many chances we missed.

At BL we’re on top through Hamer / Bamford being clinical. A second through Burrows and we’re coasting. Then Phillips gets sent off early into the second half needlessly and we’re under the cosh. A better team would’ve capitalised, Wednesday nearly did.

It’s a small sample size of course but you could see the effect of both players respectively, and while Jairo had fitness issues he still brought a level of calm to midfield that allowed our more ball playing, creative players to advance up the pitch. I didn’t see that with KP, generally he looked ok but as a loan signing he didn’t stand out.

If we’re seriously going down this route then I’m more concerned than excited.

I still don’t think that was a red card.

 

[ekke287]

I still don’t think that was a red card.

It was, and a player with his experience in a big game should’ve known better.

 

[LurkerBlade]

More a question than a statement but wouldn't signing an extension with Jairo also come with a signing bonus and additional agent fees, whereas, the loan for KP is just going to be wages?

 

[nopigfansintown]

If City play ball on a similar deal to Jan he'll be back and United would frankly be mental not to pursue it. Jairo negotiations have failed but if he gets real later in the summer it could still happen. I wouldn't be banking on the big foreign interest coming to fruition if I was him. Are a a parachute club going to come in? Maybe. I'm worried about us getting gazumped on Phillips or the can being kicked down the road due to Pep leaving.United need him in on day one of preseason. If it drags on time to move on. Same with Jairo. It's not good enough to be a sixty minute player and a walking muscle injury.

 

[Hilly]

It's typical Wilder. It doesn't matter what everybody saw with their own eyes during his short spell here, he wants him so he's having him.

I saw nothing in Phillps' play that suggested he's any better than Riedewald and when he wasn't suspended, he was injured.

Economically, my guess would be Phillips was on £40k a week (our share) and Riedewald about £20k a week.

So where we could have had 2 x players at £20k a week (very decent wage at our level), we've gone all in on a massive gamble on Phillips, not just in terms of form, but also discipline and fitness..

Is this because he's a "culture carrier?"

Me: Starts reading post.
CM: "economically, my guess...tra la la etc"
Me: Thinks, oh do fuck off, stops reading and thinks about pressing ignore button.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Me: Starts reading post.
CM: "economically, my guess...tra la la etc"
Me: Thinks, oh do fuck off, stops reading and thinks about pressing ignore button.

Ok...

 

[Akrotiri_Blades]

More a question than a statement but wouldn't signing an extension with Jairo also come with a signing bonus and additional agent fees, whereas, the loan for KP is just going to be wages?

From what I understand although unlikely to incur a signing bonus there would be still agent fees for a loan move with Phillips as his agent works with City and the end club to negotiate the temporary transfer.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think you’ll find we aren’t paying City anything. He wants to play - & is mates with Bamford. That is why he’s here & likely wants to come back next season.

Why do you think we aren’t paying City anything?

 

[CPB]

Why do you think we aren’t paying City anything?

I don't think we did pay city anything but we did pay for a small portion of his big wages.

I might be in a minority but I can see why it could be a gamble worth exploring. But can't be what we pin our hopes of a season on.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I don't think we did pay city anything but we did pay for a small portion of his big wages.

I might be in a minority but I can see why it could be a gamble worth exploring. But can't be what we pin our hopes of a season on.

People keep saying these things but nobody has any idea what we have paid City, as a proportion of his wage or otherwise. We might or might not have paid a loan fee, but we certainly haven’t had him for free.

I agree it would be a gamble. We gambled on him in January and it completely failed. Cannon, McGuinness and Chong all contributed significantly more than Phillips. The question is whether another gamble over a longer period is worth it. I don’t think so, I see the potential for it being another Tom Davies, but if we do it I hope I’m proved wrong.

I also think some on here are dazzled by the idea of having a big name.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I suppose it depends if we sign Phillips how much of our budget it takes up and how it will affect possible other signings in other areas of the pitch. That we do not know and probably wont know until the end of the transfer window

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

If we sign Phillips and not a 6ft 4in 22 year old decathlete for centre midfield, then we'll be bang on trouble....

We need at least x3 big, strong, explosive physical specimens not 30+ poppadom legged has beens.

Have we learnt nothing?

Who have been our biggest successes over recent years? MGW - explosive, Ndiaye - explosive, Berge - huge, Souttar - huge...

Small undynamic players just don't succeed in modern football.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

People keep saying these things but nobody has any idea what we have paid City, as a proportion of his wage or otherwise. We might or might not have paid a loan fee, but we certainly haven’t had him for free.

I agree it would be a gamble. We gambled on him in January and it completely failed. Cannon, McGuinness and Chong all contributed significantly more than Phillips. The question is whether another gamble over a longer period is worth it. I don’t think so, I see the potential for it being another Tom Davies, but if we do it I hope I’m proved wrong.

I also think some on here are dazzled by the idea of having a big name.

"People keep saying these things but nobody has any idea what we have paid City"
Come on every Hawaiian Shirt wearing debt avoiding scrounging deluded scrubber from S6 knows its 40k a week.

 

[Carlton Blade]

If City play ball on a similar deal to Jan he'll be back and United would frankly be mental not to pursue it. Jairo negotiations have failed but if he gets real later in the summer it could still happen. I wouldn't be banking on the big foreign interest coming to fruition if I was him. Are a a parachute club going to come in? Maybe. I'm worried about us getting gazumped on Phillips or the can being kicked down the road due to Pep leaving.United need him in on day one of preseason. If it drags on time to move on. Same with Jairo. It's not good enough to be a sixty minute player and a walking muscle injury.

Gazumped by who? He's not played 2k minutes in a season since the first Covd season and he's scored 13 career goals/has 12 career assists (all those for Leeds).

He's had 2 disastrous PL loans and his 3 game stint with United. Whatever he once was, the evidence is that he is extremely unlikely to ever be that again and he certainly doesn't solve the problems United have with athleticism in midfield.

He's a luxury signing, and a risk that I hope the club doesn't pursue.

 

[chesblade]

People keep saying these things but nobody has any idea what we have paid City, as a proportion of his wage or otherwise. We might or might not have paid a loan fee, but we certainly haven’t had him for free.

I agree it would be a gamble. We gambled on him in January and it completely failed. Cannon, McGuinness and Chong all contributed significantly more than Phillips. The question is whether another gamble over a longer period is worth it. I don’t think so, I see the potential for it being another Tom Davies, but if we do it I hope I’m proved wrong.

I also think some on here are dazzled by the idea of having a big name.

That's probably owners, see he plays for city and think he must be good then

 

[Nick Jansky]

That's probably owners, see he plays for city and think he must be good then

It’s probably not the owners.

 

[TJ blade]

If we sign Phillips and not a 6ft 4in 22 year old decathlete for centre midfield, then we'll be bang on trouble....

We need at least x3 big, strong, explosive physical specimens not 30+ poppadom legged has beens.

Have we learnt nothing?

Who have been our biggest successes over recent years? MGW - explosive, Ndiaye - explosive, Berge - huge, Souttar - huge...

Small undynamic players just don't succeed in modern football.

Absolutely bang on mate

 

[Blade56]

Have we learnt nothing?

We have, has Wilder?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Gazumped by who? He's not played 2k minutes in a season since the first Covd season and he's scored 13 career goals/has 12 career assists (all those for Leeds).

He's had 2 disastrous PL loans and his 3 game stint with United. Whatever he once was, the evidence is that he is extremely unlikely to ever be that again and he certainly doesn't solve the problems United have with athleticism in midfield.

He's a luxury signing, and a risk that I hope the club doesn't pursue.

Anybody that will pay a higher % of his wages. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he hasn't shown it because he's just sat on his massive salary collecting his money. He didn't become a bad player because Man City didn't fancy him. If he gets himself fit there's nothing in his age or injury profile to suggest he won't be a good player at this level again. He doesn't have the wear and tear associated with an athlete at his age which can be seen as a mark in his favour. A renaissance is more than possible. If that happens somebody will get a bargain.

 

[Carlton Blade]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think he hasn't shown it because he's just sat on his massive salary collecting his money. He didn't become a bad player because Man City didn't fancy him. If he gets himself fit there's nothing in his age or injury profile to suggest he won't be a good player at this level again. He doesn't have the wear and tear associated with an athlete at his age which can be seen as a mark in his favour. A renaissance is more than possible. If that happens somebody will get a bargain.

It's certainly possible. I just don't think it's likely. 30 appearances out of a possible 99 over 2 1/2 seasons of loan is a decent sample size of injury and performance problems.