Incoming? Kalvin Phillips

[UddersBlade]

This will be Wilder speaking to Danny to pressure on the board again.

Going to be a long summer of this shit.

Probably won’t be any chance of getting Phillips if Pep leaves this summer. At best it will be right at the end of the transfer window after a new manager has had chance to assess him. Plus any new manager at City may actually want Phillips around their squad.

 

[blade_ben]

How could you possibly know this was Wilders decision?
I'd say between him, the board and the player, that Chris is probably the least happy with the release. He brought him in, praised the difference he'd made, pursued an extension, then recently said how much stronger he'd be after a preseason..

Maybe because he’s the manager?

 

[The Fox]

Maybe because he’s the manager?

So Jairo tells the club his agent has got him a 2 year deal on £000's a week and he decided to take it .

In that scenario its out of the clubs or CW's hands .

 

[Brian Deane]

dontchaknow

Who does he play for and how much Peroni would he cost

 

[LBA_Blade]

So the usually clown logic from Danny Hall and if this happens Wilder and the board are worse.... We have shifted out a £25k a week midfielder in Jairo and we are looking to replace him with someone that is on £150k a week at his parent club. For that to work City will have to be paying at least £125K a week and then that would us be breaking even as a like for like swap of Riedewald to Phillips so in theory with us still not under the ratio we would need City to be paying more of the wages if no other transfer sales. You have to start thinking even though City have literally cash to burn where is the incentive to send a player out to another club in the last year of the contract and pay more than 3/4s of his wage. Hall then mentions "United now only have Sydie Peck, Oliver Arblaster and Joe Rothwell as their under-contract midfielders for next season" depending on the formation we are looking for (not forgetting Billy Blacker might be involved in preseason too to add to that list) if we kept hold of those 3 plus adding the likes of Blacker into the mix do we actually need Phillips, if the answer is we need more depth, we could look at adding a loan in there but a younger player such as Toby Collyer (not saying has to be him) but if you reduce the wage bill by getting rid of Jairo you can only refill so much of that, players of that mold attract salaries of £5-10k a week which is achievable. Not £20k+

 

[FriethBlade]

LBA if you think we can compete with Blaster, Peck, Rothwell, Blacker and a young loanee next season I think you are sadly mistaken.

CW has said numerous times he wants Phillips back so loaning him will be CWs first choice. Whether the board sanction this or not I dont know but we have cleared Jairo, Davies, Ings and Mees wages off tthe books. I personally would only want him if we can get him for the same money as this year and id want some cause about whay happens to his wages if hes unavailable to play.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

It's great that CW wants Phillips and fully fit Phillips would be a great signing. However......this isn't feasible unless Man City are very generous and Phillips and his agent are also very generous. Does Phillips have his heart set on coming here more than the money he "could" earn elsewhere. I'm not expecting him back in a Blades shirt unless a lot of things fall our way. That rarely happens. So unless the deal is great for the club......move on.

 

[Champagneblade]

Might as well sign Dele Alli as well, then. Same age, more England caps.

Hold that thought!

 

[Champagneblade]

Gordon Cowans and Stuart McCall were much older than Philips ,2 of the finest midfielders to play for us.

What are they up to now anyways? Worth a bid?

 

[Champagneblade]

This will be Wilder speaking to Danny to pressure on the board again.

Going to be a long summer of this shit.

Danny’s summary makes no sense whatsoever.

Under almost every circumstance Phillips will be on more money than Riedewald who didn’t have a club when we signed him.

Not sure how this cleverly frees up the balance sheet even if you favour the move.

If he’s fit then it will have a lot swallowing humble pie but he’s not given us much to encourage that thought.

 

[T-Blade]

It's great that CW wants Phillips and fully fit Phillips would be a great signing. However......this isn't feasible unless Man City are very generous and Phillips and his agent are also very generous. Does Phillips have his heart set on coming here more than the money he "could" earn elsewhere. I'm not expecting him back in a Blades shirt unless a lot of things fall our way. That rarely happens. So unless the deal is great for the club......move on.

Yes he does have his heart set on it. Needs to be same deal agreed with Man City though to make it happen. Let’s see I’m expecting him here next season

 

[LBA_Blade]

LBA if you think we can compete with Blaster, Peck, Rothwell, Blacker and a young loanee next season I think you are sadly mistaken.

CW has said numerous times he wants Phillips back so loaning him will be CWs first choice. Whether the board sanction this or not I dont know but we have cleared Jairo, Davies, Ings and Mees wages off tthe books. I personally would only want him if we can get him for the same money as this year and id want some cause about whay happens to his wages if hes unavailable to play.

Happy to be quoted directly, but apart from the 2 and a bit games Phillips was involved with last season other than Jairo we didn't have anyone else that mentioned that made up the squad. Tom Davies for his short spell but put that against missing Blaster and him still recovering from injury that is where we were at. At no point did I say we can compete but we have to look at what does competing look like for us now as it certainly isn't top 2 anymore. Also on the flip side to that Jairo, Davies, Ings and Mees wages only clears £4.1 million +bonuses off the books it still leaves our wage bill at circa £24mill.

 

[Blade56]

Hold that thought!

Rule number 1, don’t mention DA in case Wilder overhears you

 

[Blade56]

Semantics, Pep is off and Philips will be int first team come the summer

 

[Blade56]

Hearing Danny Rohl is lined up to replace Pep

 

[redandwhitewizard]

So in this bizarre game of fantasy football where does that leave us with Kyle Walker?

 

[The Fox]

So in this bizarre game of fantasy football where does that leave us with Kyle Walker?

Its crackers mate.

When people aren't taking the piss out of S6 for wanting Bazza and Vardy they're wanting Kyle Walker and Billy as Player coach .

Its going to be a very long summer .

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Yes he does have his heart set on it. Needs to be same deal agreed with Man City though to make it happen. Let’s see I’m expecting him here next season

I hope he does come but not at a financial burden we'll regret

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Yes he does have his heart set on it. Needs to be same deal agreed with Man City though to make it happen. Let’s see I’m expecting him here next season

It's typical Wilder. It doesn't matter what everybody saw with their own eyes during his short spell here, he wants him so he's having him.

I saw nothing in Phillps' play that suggested he's any better than Riedewald and when he wasn't suspended, he was injured.

Economically, my guess would be Phillips was on £40k a week (our share) and Riedewald about £20k a week.

So where we could have had 2 x players at £20k a week (very decent wage at our level), we've gone all in on a massive gamble on Phillips, not just in terms of form, but also discipline and fitness..

Is this because he's a "culture carrier?"

 

[UddersBlade]

It's typical Wilder. It doesn't matter what everybody saw with their own eyes during his short spell here, he wants him so he's having him.

I saw nothing in Phillps' play that suggested he's any better than Riedewald and when he wasn't suspended, he was injured.

Economically, my guess would be Phillips was on £40k a week (our share) and Riedewald about £20k a week.

So where we could have had 2 x players at £20k a week (very decent wage at our level), we've gone all in on a massive gamble on Phillips, not just in terms of form, but also discipline and fitness..

Is this because he's a "culture carrier?"

I think you’ll find we aren’t paying City anything. He wants to play - & is mates with Bamford. That is why he’s here & likely wants to come back next season.

 

[TJ blade]

Hold that thought!

I've not ruled wilder out of signing Deli Ali

 

[Blade56]

I've not ruled wilder out of signing Deli Ali

FFS stop putting ideas in his head that he can somehow take the most troubled, fallen from grace, injury riddled players and grab a bargain by resurrecting them.

 

[Brian Deane]

FFS stop putting ideas in his head that he can somehow take the most troubled, fallen from grace, injury riddled players and grab a bargain by resurrecting them.

What's Coutts up to these days

 

[Kenilworth]

Take the two Wednesday games this season, Jairo in one and Phillips in the other.

At Hillsborough, Jairo nullified their midfield, broke up the play and it therefore allowed us to create chance after chance. We could’ve realistically won that game by four or five considering how many chances we missed.

At BL we’re on top through Hamer / Bamford being clinical. A second through Burrows and we’re coasting. Then Phillips gets sent off early into the second half needlessly and we’re under the cosh. A better team would’ve capitalised, Wednesday nearly did.

It’s a small sample size of course but you could see the effect of both players respectively, and while Jairo had fitness issues he still brought a level of calm to midfield that allowed our more ball playing, creative players to advance up the pitch. I didn’t see that with KP, generally he looked ok but as a loan signing he didn’t stand out.

If we’re seriously going down this route then I’m more concerned than excited.

I still don’t think that was a red card.