CONFIRMED Harry Maguire - Signed for Hull City

[Darren]

Well, you have your standards; I have mine.

I have no interest in what Maguire thinks or has achieved. I am commenting on his conduct which was unprofessional and disrespectful to our club. If that doesn't matter to you, so be it.

Well indeed, I just don't see the point of saying "X should behave in a way of which I personally approve" when such a statement will have no discernible effect on anyone.

 

[Pinchy]

Well indeed, I just don't see the point of saying "X should behave in a way of which I personally approve" when such a statement will have no discernible effect on anyone.

It's called comment. I don't like the way in which Maguire and his agent acted to secure his departure from SUFC. Nigel Clough didn't think much to it either.

If we limited ourselves, on this forum, to material which would have a discernible effect, the page would be blank.

Your point seems so obscure that I fear I am missing it.

 

[Hollinsend]

If the general view is that he's behaved badly then he'll get more stick next time we play Hull, (compared to Quinn, for example who I don't recall being widely abused). That might affect his performance one way or the other- a few on here will probably be down at the bookies betting on him scoring against us...Anyway, that's one we can think about next season in the championship

 

[Darren]

It's called comment. I don't like the way in which Maguire and his agent acted to secure his departure from SUFC. Nigel Clough didn't think much to it either.

If we limited ourselves, on this forum, to material which would have a discernible effect the page would be blank.

Your point seems so obscure that I fear I am missing it.

Just a point of view. I suppose I have a personal aversion to the making huge moral statements which have no connection with the world as it is. Maguire wanted a move away, he used what tactics he could to get that move. His tactics succeeded. Speaking about him as if he were a naughty child ("he will find out Nigel knows best" or whatever) I find mildly irritating.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Just a point of view. I suppose I have a personal aversion to the making huge moral statements which have no connection with the world as it is. Maguire wanted a move away, he used what tactics he could to get that move. His tactics succeeded. Speaking about him as if he were a naughty child ("he will find out Nigel knows best" or whatever) I find mildly irritating.

And this is where the agent comes in. I'd imagine harry would have been frustrated that the move hadn't gone ahead, and his agent will have said, "This is what we can do to force it."

 

[Darren]

And this is where the agent comes in. I'd imagine harry would have been frustrated that the move hadn't gone ahead, and his agent will have said, "This is what we can do to force it."

That's the agent job isn't it?

Harry: "oi agent, those bastards won't let me leave, what should we do?"
Agent: "well, if you do this...."

 

[Roygbiv]

If the general view is that he's behaved badly then he'll get more stick next time we play Hull, (compared to Quinn, for example who I don't recall being widely abused). That might affect his performance one way or the other- a few on here will probably be down at the bookies betting on him scoring against us...Anyway, that's one we can think about next season in the championship

Quinny was genuinely gutted when he left. He didn't want to go. He was forced out to get him off the wage bill. You only have to listen to his interview at the time to see that. Maguire clearly wanted out. I think agents are quite a good bodyguard for players actually. They are like the boogeyman that everyone blames when in reality the player knows exactly what he is doing

 

[Pinchy]

Just a point of view. I suppose I have a personal aversion to the making huge moral statements which have no connection with the world as it is. Maguire wanted a move away, he used what tactics he could to get that move. His tactics succeeded. Speaking about him as if he were a naughty child ("he will find out Nigel knows best" or whatever) I find mildly irritating.

It's hardly an irritant to acknowledge that Nigel Clough knows a great deal more about the world of football than youngster Harry Maguire or his agent, is it?

It seems he did indeed behave like a petulant child. In isolation, that is not of the slightest interest to me. When, however, it operates to the detriment of Sheffield United, it is worthy of mention.

Are we to put Maguire on the same pedestal as Safehands Jagielka, beyond reproach?

Personally, I am more concerned about my club, United.

 

[SwissBlade]

By saying the situation reeks I mean, I find it a little fishy how we issued a statement saying we'd accepted a bid only for Hull City to put out a statement back stating that they had no idea about it and then Steve Bruce says that the bid we'd accepted had been their previous one (which Clough had said was below our valuation).

I have a feeling that the transfer feel will be undisclosed because we've probably accepted a below-par bid due to fuss Maguire kicked up.

And this conclusion is based upon what exactly? You find our side of the story fishy, yet you'd rather trust the club whose owner hasn't exactly given hull tigers fans faith that he's a man to trust....

All summer the club (Clough in particular) have been open that we've received and rejected offers that don't meet our valuation, yet as soon as we do accept an offer, you jump straight in and state that the club must be lying if the transfer fee will be undisclosed.

On top of this you've obviously missed all the answers Clough has given on other transfer targets - answering straight whether were interested or not. Clough seems very much to me a man of integrity and has given no reason to disbelieve him.

I really should leave these threads alone, the twisted logic of some people just baffles me

Welcome to the forum by the way

 

[Darren]

It's hardly an irritant to acknowledge that Nigel Clough knows a great deal more about the world of football than youngster Harry Maguire or his agent, is it?

It seems he did indeed behave like a petulant child. In isolation, that is not of the slightest interest to me. When, however, it operates to the detriment of Sheffield United, it is worthy of mention.

Are we to put Maguire on the same pedestal as Safehands Jagielka, beyond reproach?

Personally, I am more concerned about my club, United.

I can't see why anyone would put any professional footballer on a pedestal.

Both Jagielka and Maguire contributed more good than bad to United. However, like any professional footballer they are far more interested in their own careers than any particular club. Both of then behaved in a way one would expect when they were offered more money at a more successful club. I just don't consider it worthy of comment to get all moralistic about it.

 

[IOM Blade]

Well, you have your standards; I have mine.

I have no interest in what Maguire thinks or has achieved. I am commenting on his conduct which was unprofessional and disrespectful to our club. If that doesn't matter to you, so be it.

And yet if Brayford kicked up a similar stink at Cardiff, we'd roll out the red carpet.

 

[Pinchy]

And yet if Brayford kicked up a similar stink at Cardiff, we'd roll out the red carpet.

But he's doing nothing of the sort. He is conducting himself, so far as I know, as a professional sportsman should.

This is what our co-chairman said yesterday:

"...I think it's obvious we did not achieve our full valuation. We did have to make a decision in the club's interests...It was not an easy decision, but if we had pressed on, we'd have a captive in the clubhouse & no other offers on the table.

We didn't lower our valuation. We did get less than we would've wanted, but once HM changed his mind, we had to decide whether to take the risk of getting a better offer. Because once a player takes that step, valuations don't tend to increase. Once he decided he wanted to go, we had to reconsider our course."

So, if anyone remains peeved about this deal, you know who to blame!

Maguire and his loathsome pet slug have, unprofessionally and disrespectfully, forced our club into a position we did not welcome. It has cost us money. I don't like it at all. Anyone who feels the same might wish to let Maguire know that, in the usual way when he next appears to play at BDTBL.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Bit of a difference between kicking up a fuss because you want out of our club, and kicking up a fuss because you want in though.

Edit: that was in reply to IOM by the way, not sure why it didn't quote.

 

[Bergen Blade]

 

[Grecian2000]

we'd have a captive in the clubhouse

Well I wasn't at all peeved until I read that.

Clubhouse? I mean Clubhouse?

It's a fucking "dressing room". No more deals until we can speak proper English.

 

[Darren]

But he's doing nothing of the sort. He is conducting himself, so far as I know, as a professional sportsman should.

This is what our co-chairman said yesterday:

"...I think it's obvious we did not achieve our full valuation. We did have to make a decision in the club's interests...It was not an easy decision, but if we had pressed on, we'd have a captive in the clubhouse & no other offers on the table.

We didn't lower our valuation. We did get less than we would've wanted, but once HM changed his mind, we had to decide whether to take the risk of getting a better offer. Because once a player takes that step, valuations don't tend to increase. Once he decided he wanted to go, we had to reconsider our course."

So, if anyone remains peeved about this deal, you know who to blame!

Maguire and his loathsome pet slug have, unprofessionally and disrespectfully, forced our club into a position we did not welcome. It has cost us money. I don't like it at all. Anyone who feels the same might wish to let Maguire know that, in the usual way when he next appears to play at BDTBL.

But he's doing nothing of the sort. He is conducting himself, so far as I know, as a professional sportsman should.

This is what our co-chairman said yesterday:

"...I think it's obvious we did not achieve our full valuation. We did have to make a decision in the club's interests...It was not an easy decision, but if we had pressed on, we'd have a captive in the clubhouse & no other offers on the table.

We didn't lower our valuation. We did get less than we would've wanted, but once HM changed his mind, we had to decide whether to take the risk of getting a better offer. Because once a player takes that step, valuations don't tend to increase. Once he decided he wanted to go, we had to reconsider our course."

So, if anyone remains peeved about this deal, you know who to blame!

Maguire and his loathsome pet slug have, unprofessionally and disrespectfully, forced our club into a position we did not welcome. It has cost us money. I don't like it at all. Anyone who feels the same might wish to let Maguire know that, in the usual way when he next appears to play at BDTBL.

So the truth appears to be

1. Hull made a "final offer", we told them to get lost in the hope we would get a better offer
2. Maguire made it clear he was incredibly pissed off by this
3. We then decided it was best to accept Hull's final offer because once it got round he wanted out his value would drop.

So the morality is that if you think Maguire owes a greater duty to SUFC than to himself, he behaved badly. If you think an employee has every right to seek the best terms he can from an employer, he did nothing wrong.

You pays your money....

 

[Darren]

Well I wasn't at all peeved until I read that.

Clubhouse? I mean Clubhouse?

It's a fucking "dressing room". No more deals until we can speak proper English.

I am liking this idea of captives in the clubhouse. Do you think they are handcuffed? And gagged?

 

[Pedro Verde]

So the truth appears to be

1. Hull made a "final offer", we told them to get lost in the hope we would get a better offer
2. Maguire made it clear he was incredibly pissed off by this
3. We then decided it was best to accept Hull's final offer because once it got round he wanted out his value would drop.

So the morality is that if you think Maguire owes a greater duty to SUFC than to himself, he behaved badly. If you think an employee has every right to seek the best terms he can from an employer, he did nothing wrong.

You pays your money....

Maguire is under contract to Sheffield United so he owes a duty to see out that contract
United as his employer did offer him better terms, he refused
Maguire has forced United into a corner not the first player to do so and wont be the last, I have lost a lot of repect for him

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Maguire is under contract to Sheffield United so he owes a duty to see out that contract
United as his employer did offer him better terms, he refused
Maguire has forced United into a corner not the first player to do so and wont be the last, I have lost a lot of repect for him

The reality is Maguire is well within his rights not to sign a new contract. He could see out his contract but then the club has lost out on a sizeable transfer fee (unless there are rules related to his age).

 

[Kev Gee]

We would have got compensation as he is under 24 i believe?

It looks like Magure & his agents behaviour stinks. He did well for us & we looked after him & nurtured him from a young age.

And this is how he repays us. Im hoping his career bombs now. Call it sour grapes if you like. I just dont wish him well in his future career.

 

[davidpinder]

The reality is Maguire is well within his rights not to sign a new contract. He could see out his contract but then the club has lost out on a sizeable transfer fee (unless there are rules related to his age).

Yes i believe it is homegrown under 24 goes to a tribunal but i couldn't us getting 2-3m at a tribunal.

 

[Grecian2000]

We would have got compensation as he is under 24 i believe?

It looks like Magure & his agents behaviour stinks. He did well for us & we looked after him & nurtured him from a young age.

And this is how he repays us. Im hoping his career bombs now. Call it sour grapes if you like. I just dont wish him well in his future career.

I would say he actually repaid us with his performances on the pitch.

I don't care one way or the other UNLESS the famous "add ons" mean he has to reach a certain number of games, a certain level of success, in which case I hope he fulfills them all and we make the maximum we possibly could.

 

[sitwell]

The grunter in Maguire appears to have surfaced ,seeing those pictures makes me hope he is a 'massive' failure. Once a pig....

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

But he's doing nothing of the sort. He is conducting himself, so far as I know, as a professional sportsman should.

This is what our co-chairman said yesterday:

"...I think it's obvious we did not achieve our full valuation. We did have to make a decision in the club's interests...It was not an easy decision, but if we had pressed on, we'd have a captive in the clubhouse & no other offers on the table.

We didn't lower our valuation. We did get less than we would've wanted, but once HM changed his mind, we had to decide whether to take the risk of getting a better offer. Because once a player takes that step, valuations don't tend to increase. Once he decided he wanted to go, we had to reconsider our course."

So, if anyone remains peeved about this deal, you know who to blame!

Maguire and his loathsome pet slug have, unprofessionally and disrespectfully, forced our club into a position we did not welcome. It has cost us money. I don't like it at all. Anyone who feels the same might wish to let Maguire know that, in the usual way when he next appears to play at BDTBL.

Well there is something else which is different from the previous regime. As Pinchy said, if you want to know why the move happened we know where to look. If you think Harry's actions were unprofessional or disloyal you can now make your own mind up.

 

[Bladesman]

It's Harry who made this move happen. We turned down all the offers on the table.

 

[Kev Gee]

The grunter in Maguire appears to have surfaced ,seeing those pictures makes me hope he is a 'massive' failure. Once a pig....

haha.

At least there will be plenty of shit for him to stick his snout in around Hull anyway?

The club is blameless in this saga & has conducted itself impreciably.

that wont stop some sections having a dig though.

Lets hope we sign the beard to shut them up!!!

 

[B.Lade]

So the truth appears to be

1. Hull made a "final offer", we told them to get lost in the hope we would get a better offer
2. Maguire made it clear he was incredibly pissed off by this
3. We then decided it was best to accept Hull's final offer because once it got round he wanted out his value would drop.

So the morality is that if you think Maguire owes a greater duty to SUFC than to himself, he behaved badly. If you think an employee has every right to seek the best terms he can from an employer, he did nothing wrong.

You pays your money....

He did nothing wrong, but neither will I be if I choose not to applaud him should he appear for hull at the lane due to the way he's forced through the deal after previously accepting the club's stance regarding staying unless the valuation was met.... I don't imagine he really cares though...

 

[cooperblade]

 

[Foxy]

Hull say £2.5mill and a three year contract (with a year option)

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Fucking shitting bollocks.