CONFIRMED Ben Godfrey signs on season long loan

[KMC-1889]

Fully agree with you about AI.

I was prepared to give the AI-based recruitment stuff a chance because we do need to modernize our scouting and it could've been a step in that direction. But it has clearly been a total disaster.

The problem is useful data led decisions are being written off in the AI shambles.

We have to move away from recruitment being driven by people at the club having a little black book of agents numbers.

 

[dc_blade]

The problem is useful data led decisions are being written off in the AI shambles.

We have to move away from recruitment being driven by people at the club having a little black book of agents numbers.

Good points. I think for better or worse we have to let Wilder do things his way in the coming window. I'd like to hope we might start to move in a more modern direction starting next summer but I can't see it.

 

[Large Mendonca]

I thought he just said he had "similar stats" to Souza

I imagine those stats being he can identify a football from a lineup of a golf ball, a shuttlecock, a cricket ball and a tomato.

Think that’s where it would end.

 

[Cappy]

he can identify a football from a lineup of a golf ball, a shuttlecock, a cricket ball and a tomato.

That would actually be quite impressive

 

[The Crab]

At least those players have been somewhat involved other than Matos who feels more like a data led type signing tbh

Data that came from a ZX81…

 

[LBA_Blade]

The problem is useful data led decisions are being written off in the AI shambles.

We have to move away from recruitment being driven by people at the club having a little black book of agents numbers.

Agreed on that, could it be a case similar to this summer where in theory we had 2 transfer windows. The AI/recruitment type of stuff were targets that really aren't for the 1st team Zätterström and Matos are really U21 players with a hope they will step-up. Then you have the other side of recruitment that is focused on 1st team targets.

It would have been interesting to see how we would have done if we signed from game 1, the 1st team targets that we have now of Mee, Ings, Bamford, Tanganga, and Riedewald. Moving forwards though, it is important to develop our U21's and keep them competitive but also if we aren't dipping into that pool, they need to be out on loan too, experiencing mens competitive football.

 

[espoo blade]

Data that came from a ZX81…

1K memory...

 

[Rodley]

Good points. I think for better or worse we have to let Wilder do things his way in the coming window. I'd like to hope we might start to move in a more modern direction starting next summer but I can't see it.

But is this the first time we have ever used data to select & analyse signings? Do we actually know what Wilder’s way is?

 

[dc_blade]

But is this the first time we have ever used data to select & analyse signings? Do we actually know what Wilder’s way is?

Fair questions. I think we will have used analytics to identify potential signings and obviously we don't know exactly how the recruitment process works behind the scenes. For what it's worth I reckon Wilder is a more "modern" day-to-day manager than many give him credit for and probably uses data analytics quite a lot.

I do think it's an educated guess with some evidence behind it that Wilder plays a major role in recruitment--bigger than many managers, especially at clubs with a DoF etc--and that he favours going for players he knows (even if just by reputation) and feels confident will fit into his dressing room culture. I also think it's pretty inarguable that we're behind the curve when it comes to successfully identifying and integrating overseas signings. That's not all down to Wilder but I think it might be partly down to him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

1K memory...

Like Hoyland then?

 

[Tarqs]

I'm pretty sure Danny Hall said Matos was an AI signing.

I find it amusing that, on a Godfrey thread, we are still getting those (and doesn't help if Bettis has also thrown him under the bus).... blaming Selles.

Yet very little blame from Bettis at the fucking dogshit recruitment team that he's help put together.

 

[KMC-1889]

But is this the first time we have ever used data to select & analyse signings? Do we actually know what Wilder’s way is?

We’ve literally seen it. There was a documentary back in 16/17 following him on deadline day.

Given all the other unprofessional behaviour has returned (leaks to press etc…) I’ve no reason to believe anything else would have changed.

 

[KMC-1889]

Fair questions. I think we will have used analytics to identify potential signings and obviously we don't know exactly how the recruitment process works behind the scenes. For what it's worth I reckon Wilder is a more "modern" day-to-day manager than many give him credit for and probably uses data analytics quite a lot.

I do think it's an educated guess with some evidence behind it that Wilder plays a major role in recruitment--bigger than many managers, especially at clubs with a DoF etc--and that he favours going for players he knows (even if just by reputation) and feels confident will fit into his dressing room culture. I also think it's pretty inarguable that we're behind the curve when it comes to successfully identifying and integrating overseas signings. That's not all down to Wilder but I think it might be partly down to him.

The medical, data & scouting staff all report to Wilder, what he decides to do or not do with that information is on him.

This is one of the reasons Selles failed, he’s used to working at clubs with a proper structure where these decisions aren’t the responsibility of the first team coach. He was dumped in the job he wasn’t qualified for and left with zero support.

 

[Rodley]

We’ve literally seen it. There was a documentary back in 16/17 following him on deadline day.

Given all the other unprofessional behaviour has returned (leaks to press etc…) I’ve no reason to believe anything else would have changed.

9 years ago is your information on it?

 

[KMC-1889]

9 years ago is your information on it?

Well, he told us last year we could ‘shove our data’.

Happy to be proved wrong, but those comments and events since don’t seem to suggest he’s changed his tune too much.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

The medical, data & scouting staff all report to Wilder, what he decides to do or not do with that information is on him.

This is one of the reasons Selles failed, he’s used to working at clubs with a proper structure where these decisions aren’t the responsibility of the first team coach. He was dumped in the job he wasn’t qualified for and left with zero support.

Hang on, so the second half of your post is Wilder’s fault? When he wasn’t even here? I thought Selles failed because he was absolutely bobbins.

 

[KMC-1889]

Hang on, so the second half of your post is Wilder’s fault? When he wasn’t even here? I thought Selles failed because he was absolutely bobbins.

Where did I mention Selles failing was Wilders fault? The blame for that lies squarely with Bettis as he failed to put people in place to support Selles.

 

[Tarqs]

Where did I mention Selles failing was Wilders fault? The blame for that lies squarely with Bettis as he failed to put people in place to support Selles.

As I keep pointing out, it was pointless getting rid of wilder unless they were going to give the new manager the tools to do his job. Pointless employing a coach with a specific way of playing but not giving him the funds to give him the best chance of succeeding.

The blame for our catastrophic start lies squarely with COH sports... for
a) sacking a manager because he didn't fit their philosophy
b) not allowing new manager to fulfill this new philosophy
c) scrapping new philosophy after 6 matches and going back to square 1 - with 15 plus players gone and fuckall but scraps, loans and desperation last minute deals.

 

[Yewsman]

Apart from recruiting some crap players we seemed to have no plan to recruit players for particular positions. No one seemed to notice until about the last day of the window that we had sold our 2 CBs (Anel and JLT) and therefore had no CHs at the club. We had sold Moore which meant we only had Campbell as a front man and hadn't replaced our only DMF Souza. A complete shambles which no amount of AI, statistics or any computer was going to sort out.

 

[Kenilworth]

The medical, data & scouting staff all report to Wilder, what he decides to do or not do with that information is on him.

This is one of the reasons Selles failed, he’s used to working at clubs with a proper structure where these decisions aren’t the responsibility of the first team coach. He was dumped in the job he wasn’t qualified for and left with zero support.

Reading and Hull?


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[Kenilworth]

Where did I mention Selles failing was Wilders fault? The blame for that lies squarely with Bettis as he failed to put people in place to support Selles.

The owners wanted SeLLLLLLes

 

[Kenilworth]

As I keep pointing out, it was pointless getting rid of wilder unless they were going to give the new manager the tools to do his job. Pointless employing a coach with a specific way of playing but not giving him the funds to give him the best chance of succeeding.

The blame for our catastrophic start lies squarely with COH sports... for
a) sacking a manager because he didn't fit their philosophy
b) not allowing new manager to fulfill this new philosophy
c) scrapping new philosophy after 6 matches and going back to square 1 - with 15 plus players gone and fuckall but scraps, loans and desperation last minute deals.

There was no philosophy
It was a gamble to swap an experienced manager with a useless rookie wanker.
There was no plan.
There was no understanding of what infrastructure needs to be in place.
They stated that the Cat 1 academy upgrade would only be funded by Prem money.
We are waiting until the magic beans germinate again.

 

[Tarqs]

There was no philosophy
It was a gamble to swap an experienced manager with a useless rookie wanker.
There was no plan.
There was no understanding of what infrastructure needs to be in place.
They stated that the Cat 1 academy upgrade would only be funded by Prem money.
We are waiting until the magic beans germinate again.

Isn't the reason we parted ways with wilder because they didn't share the same 'vision'.

Vision/philosophy, it's all pretty irrelevant as this season has been a catastrophic fuckup from the get go and the blame lies with COH and Bettis.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Where did I mention Selles failing was Wilders fault? The blame for that lies squarely with Bettis as he failed to put people in place to support Selles.

Not the owners who provide the budget or the plan?

What was the plan the CEO failed on? Who were the people the owners wanted putting in place that Bettis failed to appoint and who identified them?

 

[FTPE]

I'm probably being a bit of a fanny, but does anyone else think that deleting his United posts on social media is a bit disrespectful?

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm probably being a bit of a fanny, but does anyone else think that deleting his United posts on social media is a bit disrespectful?

It's just a job

 

[FTPE]

It's just a job

It is, I knooooow.
He's just clearly proud of everywhere else he's worked. He was happy to work (and be well paid) here as well, until he wasn't.
I just think if we've helped or persevered with his issues, addictions, problems or demons, a little strop like that seems a bit petulant

 

[Greenwich Blade]

I'm probably being a bit of a fanny, but does anyone else think that deleting his United posts on social media is a bit disrespectful?

It's a sign that he's a bit of a nob.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

9 years ago is your information on it?

 

[Carlton Blade]

It is, I knooooow.
He's just clearly proud of everywhere else he's worked. He was happy to work (and be well paid) here as well, until he wasn't.
I just think if we've helped or persevered with his issues, addictions, problems or demons, a little strop like that seems a bit petulant

I struggle to get too wound up by players attitudes when clubs will gladly move them on when it suits them.