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To say, oh it was worse back in the 70's etc is no argument. It wasnt just a couple of pillocks arguing, it was a brawl that spilled over into diferent rows regardless of who was in the vicinity. We are very lucky no one got seriously hurt - those guys who started it were off their faces on some sort of crap, fckin meth or somethin. I'm a big lad, nearly 6ft tall, 14 1/2 stones and i do mma as an amateur, but i dont go to a match looking for a fight. I dont buy this we should forget about it attitude, i want those shitheads identified and i want them banned - i will keep in touch with the guys at bramall lane to ensure something is done about it.
 
metalblade said:
It is about time some fans had a reality check, we have about one fan in every thousand who is wanting to fight and cause trouble. Wailing about it on message boards or as suggested on twitter is just what the thugs want, bullies always like to look bigger than they really are that is how they get off. Rather than moaning here go down to Bramall lane or the local Police station and demand some action both have done very little to stamp out thuggish behaviour at the lane, police were nowhere to be seen v Forest but since have gone for overkill when policing our games, take a walk at half time to the refreshments at the kop/south stand corner any game you like it is bad enough the people smoking ordinary fags but it stinks of skunk every week but the club do fuck all. No need to publicise bad behaviour everyone knows it goes on but we are all a little guilty because no one ever complains. We all could do more, the club and especially the Police how hard is it the check the cctv.
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And what might that reality check be? There's an assumption that by writing on here that's the end of it. I've written to the club and so have other supporters. I'm persistent, and if I either don't get a reply, or receive a half hearted attempt at appeasing me, I'll take this further.

Using language that suggests complaining on here is both a waste of time, as well as a bit limp-wristed. No one is 'wailing', whatever that's meant to imply. Are you suggesting that writing on here serves no purpose? Or should we just accept this type of thuggish behaviour and moan beneath our breath? Come to that mate, what are you doing to bring this to the attention of the club and police? If you've got your finger out then well done.

Somewhere in all of this the idea that someone innocent will one day get seriously injured, if not murdered, has been pushed to the margins while certain posters complain about those who are doing their best to make sure this is addressed by the authorities. Is that what's considered a good strategy then? Write cynical mails on here and take a pop at those posters who are genuinely concerned?

I had a similar discussion with a poster above. Once it was clear that I didn't agree with his fashionably laid-back approach to this matter he took his bat and ball home as, in his opinion, I just couldn't 'get' the fact that to do little or nothing was wrong and even worse, I was offering a point of view that he chirpilly dismissed in a patronising manner. Just what we need on a topic as serious as this, passive-aggression masquerading as some kind of insight that no one else can possibly share or understand.

I agree that we could all do more, but I'm doing what I can, what about you mate? UTB
 
itsinyerblood said:
And what might that reality check be? There's an assumption that by writing on here that's the end of it. I've written to the club and so have other supporters. I'm persistent, and if I either don't get a reply, or receive a half hearted attempt at appeasing me, I'll take this further.

Using language that suggests complaining on here is both a waste of time, as well as a bit limp-wristed. No one is 'wailing', whatever that's meant to imply. Are you suggesting that writing on here serves no purpose? Or should we just accept this type of thuggish behaviour and moan beneath our breath? Come to that mate, what are you doing to bring this to the attention of the club and police? If you've got your finger out then well done.

Somewhere in all of this the idea that someone innocent will one day get seriously injured, if not murdered, has been pushed to the margins while certain posters complain about those who are doing their best to make sure this is addressed by the authorities. Is that what's considered a good strategy then? Write cynical mails on here and take a pop at those posters who are genuinely concerned?

I had a similar discussion with a poster above. Once it was clear that I didn't agree with his fashionably laid-back approach to this matter he took his bat and ball home as, in his opinion, I just couldn't 'get' the fact that to do little or nothing was wrong and even worse, I was offering a point of view that he chirpilly dismissed in a patronising manner. Just what we need on a topic as serious as this, passive-aggression masquerading as some kind of insight that no one else can possibly share or understand.

I agree that we could all do more, but I'm doing what I can, what about you mate? UTB
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Well from where I was sat (block 134 row six) the only thing I saw was one idiot screaming at the bloke in front to sit down ....... oblivious to the 20 rows in front of the other bloke who were stood up. This got heated but the stewards did nothing, not much use picking on the guy in front when the 20 rows in front of him are stood up.
From my viewpoint these fights must have been isolated incidents, I'm not saying they were not serious and nasty for people close by with young kids.
I applaud you for doing what you can but I do think you are trying to whip up a storm of indignation and make the situation worse by feeding these morons what they crave............... recognition and bad publicity.
Maybe you could see more than me from your seat isn't it enough just to give the club or Police your seat number and exactly what you witnessed (what actually did you see btw ??? all you seem to bang on about is what other people should do)
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
I thought I went to a football match at the weekend. Turns out I went to a cross between the battle of the Somme and the last 20 minutes of Scarface.
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I feel like I've missed out.

At the start of the second half some old boy behind me tapped me on the shoulder and asked me to sit down because he couldn't see. I said, "Yeah no problem" and immediately sat down.

Wish I'd smashed his face in now.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
I thought I went to a football match at the weekend. Turns out I went to a cross between the battle of the Somme and the last 20 minutes of Scarface.
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Two incidents occurred from what I saw.

There was a brawl which looked nasty and escalated rather quickly. Not sure everyone saw the brawl but the other incident nearer to me which was mostly two people argue and try to fight each other they did eventually get chucked out.

I hope the people involved get rightly done for it. It was embarrassing to have to witness it and made me miss the hull 4th as people around me stood up.
 
itsinyerblood said:
And what might that reality check be? There's an assumption that by writing on here that's the end of it. I've written to the club and so have other supporters. I'm persistent, and if I either don't get a reply, or receive a half hearted attempt at appeasing me, I'll take this further.

Using language that suggests complaining on here is both a waste of time, as well as a bit limp-wristed. No one is 'wailing', whatever that's meant to imply. Are you suggesting that writing on here serves no purpose? Or should we just accept this type of thuggish behaviour and moan beneath our breath? Come to that mate, what are you doing to bring this to the attention of the club and police? If you've got your finger out then well done.

Somewhere in all of this the idea that someone innocent will one day get seriously injured, if not murdered, has been pushed to the margins while certain posters complain about those who are doing their best to make sure this is addressed by the authorities. Is that what's considered a good strategy then? Write cynical mails on here and take a pop at those posters who are genuinely concerned?

I had a similar discussion with a poster above. Once it was clear that I didn't agree with his fashionably laid-back approach to this matter he took his bat and ball home as, in his opinion, I just couldn't 'get' the fact that to do little or nothing was wrong and even worse, I was offering a point of view that he chirpilly dismissed in a patronising manner. Just what we need on a topic as serious as this, passive-aggression masquerading as some kind of insight that no one else can possibly share or understand.

I agree that we could all do more, but I'm doing what I can, what about you mate? UTB
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I just read through all 14 yes 14 pages of this shit about the mass brawl to find you were not even at the game. And you have the cheek to try to tell others what they should be doing about it. What exactly have you put in your letter to the club ?
you are such a martyr (shakes head in disbelief).
 
Bladesman said:
Two incidents occurred from what I saw.

There was a brawl which looked nasty and escalated rather quickly. Not sure everyone saw the brawl but the other incident nearer to me which was mostly two people argue and try to fight each other they did eventually get chucked out.

I hope the people involved get rightly done for it. It was embarrassing to have to witness it and made me miss the hull 4th as people around me stood up.
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At one bit a severed head spun past me shouting "Up the Blades!"
 
metalblade said:
I just read through all 14 yes 14 pages of this shit about the mass brawl to find you were not even at the game. And you have the cheek to try to tell others what they should be doing about it. What exactly have you put in your letter to the club ?
you are such a martyr (shakes head in disbelief).
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Let's get this straight, because I wasn't there I shouldn't comment? Whatever you're on I hope it's on NHS prescription.

The contents of my letter to the club are between myself and them. How is it cheek to feel strongly about this? As you've been so diligent in reading through the pages of this thread you'll have seen that other posters have contacted the club as well.

The fact that many posters have commented on what happened would suggest that they're in agreement about the violence. If you want to adopt a holier than thou attitude then so be it. Shake your head (poor metaphor, a bit theatrical, but your choice of hyperbole) as much as you like, your opinion on this clearly thinks it's ok to keep quiet while the morons do their thing. To refer to this matter as shit says volumes about the regard you have for those who also share my opinion.

I wasn't the first to comment on the violence at the game. It wasn't casual disagreements, it was arseholes choosing to intimidate whoever they wished to. The fact that you're not condemning them but having a go at me is priceless. That type of topsy turvy thinking isn't new, but it is indicative of the mentality that would rather have a go at anyone who speaks up than focus their comments towards the thugs.

You should be proud of yourself, it's not often someone comes on here on the topic of violence and then commences to condemn those who are trying to prevent this from happening. I may not be successful, but at least I'm attempting to do something constructive.
 
metalblade said:
I just read through all 14 yes 14 pages of this shit about the mass brawl to find you were not even at the game. And you have the cheek to try to tell others what they should be doing about it. What exactly have you put in your letter to the club ?
you are such a martyr (shakes head in disbelief).
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i think it's a bit rich of you moaning about people not at the game......
 
I have to agree Metal, writing to the club when you weren't at the game is pettiness personified. Seriously, talk about the loonies scrapping seeking attention, stirring the shit up when you weren't even a witness to the events makes you a bigger attention seeker in my eyes.

Never been one for tale telling, I've always been one to confront a problem head on without resorting to anonymity. There's too many people fighting battles that aren't theirs to be fought, or that quite frankly have fuck all to do with them but that's life.

Hope the letter to the club works and you get someone banned, that'd be great and make you feel so proud. Better still the club might get done and that really would be big and clever. Result :confused:
 
Bulletnut said:
I have to agree Metal, writing to the club when you weren't at the game is pettiness personified. Seriously, talk about the loonies scrapping seeking attention, stirring the shit up when you weren't even a witness to the events makes you a bigger attention seeker in my eyes.

Never been one for tale telling, I've always been one to confront a problem head on without resorting to anonymity. There's too many people fighting battles that aren't theirs to be fought, or that quite frankly have fuck all to do with them but that's life.

Hope the letter to the club works and you get someone banned, that'd be great and make you feel so proud. Better still the club might get done and that really would be big and clever. Result :confused:
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Well, I was there and very close to where the thuggish bullying took place. It was disgraceful, and it impacts us all and concerns us all. I would ask all concerned supporters to let their feelings known to the club.
 

itsinyerblood said:
Let's get this straight, because I wasn't there I shouldn't comment? Whatever you're on I hope it's on NHS prescription. Comment all you want fella but lets get this straight your comments are based on hearsay. I'm not saying there was no fighting but come on get some perspective

The contents of my letter to the club are between myself and them. How is it cheek to feel strongly about this? As you've been so diligent in reading through the pages of this thread you'll have seen that other posters have contacted the club as well.
Yes other posters have contacted the club or Police and that is how it should be they saw what happened. I'm sure it was bad for those close to it with families but if it were as bad as you make out I'm sure it would have been in the media on the news or posted on Youtube ................... half a week later I have not seen zip.

The fact that many posters have commented on what happened would suggest that they're in agreement about the violence. If you want to adopt a holier than thou attitude then so be it. Shake your head (poor metaphor, a bit theatrical, but your choice of hyperbole) as much as you like, your opinion on this clearly thinks it's ok to keep quiet while the morons do their thing. To refer to this matter as shit says volumes about the regard you have for those who also share my opinion.
It is certainly shit when you bring the Stephen Lawrence murder into the debate, as for me thinking it is ok to keep quiet on this please point me to the post where I have said that, go on fella check my posts there is only 3 or 4.
Me thinks it is you with the holier than thou attitude.................... I bet you hum Onward Christian Soldiers as you type the rubbish you post, a few big words don't impress everyone fella even if you think you are the new forum intelligentsia. To be honest I think you are a bit of a joke but hey ho if that what floats your boat.

I wasn't the first to comment on the violence at the game. It wasn't casual disagreements, it was arseholes choosing to intimidate whoever they wished to. The fact that you're not condemning them but having a go at me is priceless. That type of topsy turvy thinking isn't new, but it is indicative of the mentality that would rather have a go at anyone who speaks up than focus their comments towards the thugs. Well what can I say, you obviously know exactly what happened I'm just surprised you don't know the names and addresses of those involved. Seems to me you are one of those that thinks spouting any rubbish longest and loudest wins you the argument, well you know what they say empty vessels make the most noise.

You should be proud of yourself, it's not often someone comes on here on the topic of violence and then commences to condemn those who are trying to prevent this from happening. I may not be successful, but at least I'm attempting to do something constructive.
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WalthamstowBlade said:
At one bit a severed head spun past me shouting "Up the Blades!"
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Whilst mildly amusing in any other context your last 3 posts appear to be an attempt to trivialise these events. Would you be so amused if you and your wife and children been caught up in it? It obviously ruined some peoples day even traumatised children, we were lucky we did not caught up in anything but a great day of football. This type of incident leaves a bad mark on our club and could have resulted in serious consequences, it shouldn't be used to make amusing comments.
 
Bulletnut said:
I have to agree Metal, writing to the club when you weren't at the game is pettiness personified. Seriously, talk about the loonies scrapping seeking attention, stirring the shit up when you weren't even a witness to the events makes you a bigger attention seeker in my eyes.

Never been one for tale telling, I've always been one to confront a problem head on without resorting to anonymity. There's too many people fighting battles that aren't theirs to be fought, or that quite frankly have fuck all to do with them but that's life.

Hope the letter to the club works and you get someone banned, that'd be great and make you feel so proud. Better still the club might get done and that really would be big and clever. Result :confused:
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Present or not, every fan that cares has a right to inform the club (or the world via a message board if they want to) if they are unhappy with something.

Petty it certainly isn't, necessary it certainly is, otherwise these thugs will think they have carte blanche to continue.

Or should we all just turn a blind eye?

For those who compare the numbers of posts in one thread or another, well doesn't that tell you something?
 
Bulletnut said:
I Never been one for tale telling
Hope the letter to the club works and you get someone banned, that'd be great and make you feel so proud. Better still the club might get done and that really would be big and clever. Result :confused:
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grow up, tale telling indeed, is that some cockney "dont grass on the crims" logic? I dont care if the chap was there or not, he knows that fellow fans were unhappy and wants to do something about it, i was there and it was fcking awful - those fckers will be found and will get banned i will make sure of that - as for grassing, if that makes going to the games safer, prevents drugged up cocks from endangering the safety of kids and women, then i will grass all day long
 
essexblade73 said:
grow up, tale telling indeed, is that some cockney "dont grass on the crims" logic? I dont care if the chap was there or not, he knows that fellow fans were unhappy and wants to do something about it, i was there and it was fcking awful - those fckers will be found and will get banned i will make sure of that - as for grassing, if that makes going to the games safer, prevents drugged up cocks from endangering the safety of kids and women, then i will grass all day long
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Exactly this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
essexblade73 said:
To say, oh it was worse back in the 70's etc is no argument..
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Agreed. Having re-read my post it's obvious my point wasn't made.
Which is :- We've come a long way since those days. I went to matches back then where you really did have to run for your life. It seems there is still a remnant of violent individuals who you quite rightly want to see the back of. If left alone this problem would grow and take us back to the bad old days. It was because of the violence that I stopped going to matches in the 80's, missed the 90's, and only returned to matches in the early 2000's when it seemed safe again.
At Wembley I was oblivious to all this trouble, finding out it had happened on the following Tuesday when I read this thread.
I apologise for not making myself clearer, but foot in mouth disease is something I sometimes have to live with.
I hope this post better reflects my point and my feelings.
 
We had an incident when United scored. Idiots behind fell on to an elderly lady and her husband took exception. When I got involved the old(er!) chap was being intimidated by some lads so I tried to help him. Only when I saw the "craziness" in one of the young lad's eyes did I sense the real danger.

Let's face it even a segment of Blades fans are crackers. Even more can't take their ale, and more think it's clever to cause a fracas even with fellow Blades. Football was much better when the louts stood behind the goal and those who didn't want to fight could sit in the stands with like-minded people, well worth paying more for the ticket. In times gone by I was loutish ( not violent mind) but I liked the crack amongst the lads. Not now though and yet it's all a matter of luck who you get sat next to these days. Away matches can be horrible.
 
All good mate, i hope i dont come across as confrontational in my posts, we are all blades and we should all get on, but im so bloody angry about what i saw - most blades we met were great though and as i go to most away games i know that last sunday wasnt truly reflective of the majority of our loyal fans, the twats who exist nees weeding out tho - give em a piggy season ticket as punishment
 
essexblade73 said:
All good mate, i hope i dont come across as confrontational in my posts, we are all blades and we should all get on, but im so bloody angry about what i saw - most blades we met were great though and as i go to most away games i know that last sunday wasnt truly reflective of the majority of our loyal fans, the twats who exist nees weeding out tho - give em a piggy season ticket as punishment
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Punishing the animals by forcing them to watch the pigs.

Appropriate, very appropriate!

:D
 
Blade56 said:
Whilst mildly amusing in any other context your last 3 posts appear to be an attempt to trivialise these events. Would you be so amused if you and your wife and children been caught up in it? It obviously ruined some peoples day even traumatised children, we were lucky we did not caught up in anything but a great day of football. This type of incident leaves a bad mark on our club and could have resulted in serious consequences, it shouldn't be used to make amusing comments.
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I disagree.
 
Have a look at the annual stats released by the Police concerning Football Violence. You will see that a) we're a pretty well behaved and moderate support and b) every club has idiots. In all my years of going to BDT I can maybe think of , off the top of my head, three games (none Pig) where's there's been some proper disorder walking down Bramall Lane towards town, but pretty much by contrast it's there every time we play Them.

The only other times I see problems with our support is Wembley.

Conclusion - Idiots get pumped up for the big occasions and won't be seen until the next one.

In regards of Wembley specifically, I have to say I witnessed none of the events so can't/won't comment on the whys and wherefores, but on the last two Challenge Cup Finals I've been to (easy wins for Warrington Maiders)I've seen plenty those sainted sensible family friendly RL fans wading into each other in the stadium.

Conclusion - Idiots don't just watch football.

And finally, the way Wembley Stadium sells it's tickets doesn't help. Our support base is very defined by where it sits on matchday with each of our stands containing a different demographic with differing ways of enjoying themselves. For the big occasions, they're thrown together cheek by jowl and the cocktail can be noxious.For me, a lot of the problems can be eliminated if they sold blocks tailored to our stand by stand requirements rather than meeting the needs of looking good on TV for the sponsors. For example, release Blocks 1-50 for JSS, Blocks 50-100 Kop, 100-150 South Stand so that our U shaped section of the ground replicates the layout of our stadium,.

Conclusion - You won't stop the idiots, but you'll stop them spoiling the day out of most others.
 
It's almost a week ago now think it's time to let it go now, if you've complained then that's up to the people that's complained. Everyone has a right to act in the way they feel is best for them (reporting the incident), but look at it this way. 35k blades some will have been out all weekend some drinking from very early Sunday morning to have only 100+ people cause a bit of bother, I think is testament to how the bigger majority of blades behave. People and kids will get over it because no doubt in the next 6 month they'll more than likely see something a lot worse (tv). Late afternoon kick offs, big occasion, hell of a lot of alcohol I think we'd all be daft if we didn't expect to see some kind of trouble, I'm not condoning it in anyway but you'll get over it.
 
raul said:
Have a look at the annual stats released by the Police concerning Football Violence. You will see that a) we're a pretty well behaved and moderate support and b) every club has idiots. In all my years of going to BDT I can maybe think of , off the top of my head, three games (none Pig) where's there's been some proper disorder walking down Bramall Lane towards town, but pretty much by contrast it's there every time we play Them.

The only other times I see problems with our support is Wembley.

Conclusion - Idiots get pumped up for the big occasions and won't be seen until the next one.

In regards of Wembley specifically, I have to say I witnessed none of the events so can't/won't comment on the whys and wherefores, but on the last two Challenge Cup Finals I've been to (easy wins for Warrington Maiders)I've seen plenty those sainted sensible family friendly RL fans wading into each other in the stadium.

Conclusion - Idiots don't just watch football.

And finally, the way Wembley Stadium sells it's tickets doesn't help. Our support base is very defined by where it sits on matchday with each of our stands containing a different demographic with differing ways of enjoying themselves. For the big occasions, they're thrown together cheek by jowl and the cocktail can be noxious.For me, a lot of the problems can be eliminated if they sold blocks tailored to our stand by stand requirements rather than meeting the needs of looking good on TV for the sponsors. For example, release Blocks 1-50 for JSS, Blocks 50-100 Kop, 100-150 South Stand so that our U shaped section of the ground replicates the layout of our stadium,.

Conclusion - You won't stop the idiots, but you'll stop them spoiling the day out of most others.
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Top idea, sir.

Amazed that RL fans kick off as well these days
 

I went to watch Saracens at Wembley t'other week.There were 10,000 more there than at our semi, all fans mixed in together, drinking in the stands, and not a whiff of trouble.
 
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