Lowering of expectations needed

[John Street West Terrace]

Let’s see how things pan out over the next 6 weeks of pre season ..there hasn’t really been any statement of intent from the owners about comings & goings and the plans going forward . Obviously the whole AI recruitment has had the headlines ..it would be nice just to have some feedback off them ..they’ve got a lot to learning to do in terms of keeping fans in the picture ??Perhaps they’re using Chansiri’s director of communications on a consultation basis ?

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

I certainly didn’t see us pay £10m for a player in January (irrespective of his performances to date) !

Hopefully the next month will see more signings surprises.

 

[Frank the tank]

It does feel that way. A longer term strategy though when we're £40m down next season if we don't go up? They need to wobble their heads

Yeah I agree actually and thought this from the start
Hopefully they have more up their sleeve tahn just the longer term trading policy

 

[BarcaBlade]

I think I ( and by the looks of it most of the fanbase )
Have read between the lines and assumed we were going to keep the nucleus of the squad together and add maybe half a dozen quality additions in areas we were short last season

I'm getting the vibe now that with tge profile of player we are being linked with and the lack of activity with the dore training ground that we are entering a period of cloth cutting and targeting cheap young lower league players who I assume are scoring high data wise and will be seen as future assets

Listening to the ntt20 boys yesterday and they summed up perfectly their view on the owners who seem to have gone all in on this risky strategy at the wrong time when maybe sticking with what. We had might have been the safer bet

I was all for Wilder going and selles coming in ,hopefully the fitness levels improve and I think the squad is crying out for a coach to come in and take them to another level
But I think signings wise the highest profile player we are being linked with is Ashley Phillips and I think.all this talk of Barry, brooks ,doyle ect is just fans hoping, it doesnt look like they are the profile of player we are in for and I think that is a very all in strategy and makes me very nervous but excited

I'd only dispute the 'most of the fanbase' opening line. Most of the fanbase don't post here or anywhere else and generally have no expectation, either high or low.

They buy their season ticket, support the team in the way they prefer to, and pick up the kids from school or whatever else their life revolves around.

I do post occasionally on here, but I'm with that description of fan.

 

[Blade58]

Well that's odd because I was raising my expectations for the coming season.
I respect everyone's opinion on here and just assumed I was wrong about the benefits of keeping Wilder in charge.
Plenty of learned experts on here have said the only reason we didn't go up was because of him, from the fitness regime, the negative tactics, being an embarrassing dick in his public celebrations, not getting a centre half in the January window, being a stuborn dinosaur and not embracing AI.
All of these things are easy fixes for the new manager so there's absolutely nothing stopping us being better than last season.

Putting the new manager to one side, as we aren’t sure what to expect from him, the board themselves could also prevent us from being better than last season

Not sure what we are going to get from these guys? They have given very little away of their intentions thus far.

 

[Champagneblade]

That's my point though im not sure that is the target his employers have set him

Maybe a longer term trade up strategy is their aim but maybe this season isn't the best time to.do that

I think they’ve made their bed.

You failed to get promotion you’re out.

Then:

Fail to get promotion but with a slightly better style and you’re in.

I don’t think in the end many would subscribe to that bollocks.

It’s promotion or they’ve fucked it.

 

[coolasanidiot]

These owners have zero affinity with 'our' club- they are purely in it for a 'return'.

Their expectations of Selles are not long term at all, his brief is simple 'Promotion or it's the door'

As fans we probably know a lot more about the toughness of getting out of the Champ than the owners.

So far we've seen Vini exit and nothing transpire inwards, so right now I'd say it's the owners that need to lower expectations.

Regardless of 'style of play' Ruben is going to need some luck to beat Chris's 92, but don't kid yourself these owners are expecting it.

 

[I should coco]

These owners have zero affinity with 'our' club- they are purely in it for a 'return'.

Their expectations of Selles are not long term at all, his brief is simple 'Promotion or it's the door'

As fans we probably know a lot more about the toughness of getting out of the Champ than the owners.

So far we've seen Vini exit and nothing transpire inwards, so right now I'd say it's the owners that need to lower expectations.

Regardless of 'style of play' Ruben is going to need some luck to beat Chris's 92, but don't kid yourself these owners are expecting it.

An excellent point.

The Yanks want the big bucks in the Premier Leauge. They do not want years of steady consolidation in the Championship, building a solid base blah blah blah.

My best guess is that RS will be gone before the end of the JTW.

 

[dexter101]

An excellent point.

The Yanks want the big bucks in the Premier Leauge. They do not want years of steady consolidation in the Championship, building a solid base blah blah blah.

My best guess is that RS will be gone before the end of the JTW.

I agree that there is no profit in just a steady run of the mill championship side so they will want PL.

I am not sure if being a yoyo club brings that value though, getting promoted is one thing, staying up is another and a rushed sale with us glued to the foot of the table is unlikely to bring a good offer or will come with clauses around relegation.

Am I right in thinking that the Prince had an additional fee due if we got promoted?

With my tin hat on (literally no evidence of this) maybe our nightmare week was manufactured? extra revenue generated from play offs but fall at the last hurdle saves them paying the prince any more and gives them a bit of time to make the Sheffield United brand more attractive?

This summer may be the reset with the focus of changing a few structures and recruitment patterns with the aim of promotion and staying up.

By the way, did you also know the earth is flat and Adam and Eve had a pet dinosaur?

 

[Carlton Blade]

I think they’ve made their bed.

You failed to get promotion you’re out.

Then:

Fail to get promotion but with a slightly better style and you’re in.

I don’t think in the end many would subscribe to that bollocks.

It’s promotion or they’ve fucked it.

Maybe they also subscribe to

"Put up a level of performance over a full season that, if repeated will likely draw a much lower points total and your position is up for review"?

What does "they've fucked it" even mean?

 

[Carlton Blade]

Of 576 Championship teams since 04/05, only 6 have had a higher points per goal scored than United in 24/25

 

[Carlton Blade]

United 24/25 had the lowest goals scored and goal difference of the 31 teams to earn 90 or more points since 04/05

 

[Dkc]

Mid table is fine, because at least we'll have a plan B and the football won't be turgid.

 

[dc_blade]

I have to agree, it looks like we're after

Oh we'll sign players, they'll just all be teenagers identified by SHODAN or else those spotted by friends of the board with absolutely no vested interested in a sale, whatsoever.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Mid table is fine, because at least we'll have a plan B and the football won't be turgid.

What United did last season would have been extremely unlikely to succeed again. United were a pretty big outlier in terms of getting that many points from so few goals

 

[shorehamview]

My expectations for the forthcoming season are a bit higher than a snake's arse in a waon rut, but not much higher. Top ten will be an achievement I reckon, I can see Selles being gone by Christmas. I hope to be surprised.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I dont think this season is going to be easy by any stretch. I've heard some writing off Southampton because of how bad they did in the Premier League last season. We were also abysmal but finished third, so let's not write them off entirely. My expectations are lowered as I just don't see us in the mix for automatic, but then again I'll reserve judgment when I've some players through the door, which worries me as deals in the summer seem to have taken longer and longer since Bettis got involved with them.

 

[Balham]

My expectations for the forthcoming season are a bit higher than a snake's arse in a waon rut, but not much higher. Top ten will be an achievement I reckon, I can see Selles being gone by Christmas. I hope to be surprised.

Irrespective of when Sellés leaves us*, his replacement will not be Chris Wilder. That is a basic fact that a lot of our (well, Wilder's) fans need to wrap their heads around.

I desperately want Sellés to be successful because that will mean that we're successful. The problem is that a subset of Unitedites are so fucking parochial that they can't accept that there might be a better way of doing things than Bladey Pashun. There's no need for anyone joining to "get the club". That nonsense has gone.

*In my lifetime, only one United manager has been headhunted by a better club (Howard Kendall by Everton in 1997) and one has left for a national team role (Gary Speed to Wales in 2010). That is thoroughly shameful.

1983: Balham born
1986: Ian Porterfield sacked. Joins Aberdeen 8 months later.
1988: Billy McEwan sacked. Joins Division Four Rotherham almost immediately.
1995: Dave Bassett sacked. Joins fellow-Division One side Crystal Palace two months later.
1997: Howard Kendall leaves to take over at Premier League Everton
1998: Nigel Spackman resigns. This remains his only managerial role.
1999: Judas Bruce resigns to take a backwards step to Division One Huddersfield Town
2007: Neil Warnock leaves after his contract wasn't renewed. Out of work for five months.
2008: Bryan Robson sacked. Hasn't held another club managerial role
2010: Kevin Blackwell sacked. Out of work for 2 years.
2010: Gary Speed leaves to take over as Wales manager
2011: Mickey Adams sacked. Joins League Two Port Vale almost immediately
2013: Danny Wilson sacked. Joins Championship Barnsley 8 months later.
2013: David Weir sacked. This remains his only managerial role.
2015: Nigel Clough sacked. Takes over at League One Burton Albion six months later
2016: Nigel Adkins sacked. Takes over at Championship Humberside Jungle Cats 19 months later
2021: Chris Wilder sacked. Takes over at Championship Middlesbrough 8 months later
2021: Slaviša Jokanović sacked. Joins Dynamo Moscow 13 months later
2023: Paul Heckingbottom sacked. Joins Championship Preston 9 months later
2025: Chris Wilder sacked. No new role as yet.

 

[Dkc]

Irrespective of when Sellés leaves us*, his replacement will not be Chris Wilder. That is a basic fact that a lot of our (well, Wilder's) fans need to wrap their heads around.

So if we're fighting relegation and Selles is sacked, who would you bring in?

 

[Silent Blade]

Irrespective of when Sellés leaves us*, his replacement will not be Chris Wilder. That is a basic fact that a lot of our (well, Wilder's) fans need to wrap their heads around.

I desperately want Sellés to be successful because that will mean that we're successful. The problem is that a subset of Unitedites are so fucking parochial that they can't accept that there might be a better way of doing things than Bladey Pashun. There's no need for anyone joining to "get the club". That nonsense has gone.

*In my lifetime, only one United manager has been headhunted by a better club (Howard Kendall by Everton in 1997) and one has left for a national team role (Gary Speed to Wales in 2010). That is thoroughly shameful.


1998: Nigel Spackman resigns. This remains his only managerial role.

Managed Barnsley and Millwall

 

[Nick Jansky]

So if we're fighting relegation and Selles is sacked, who would you bring in?

Moot point. We won’t be fighting relegation.

 

[ben1987]

Let’s see how things pan out over the next 6 weeks of pre season ..there hasn’t really been any statement of intent from the owners about comings & goings and the plans going forward . Obviously the whole AI recruitment has had the headlines ..it would be nice just to have some feedback off them ..they’ve got a lot to learning to do in terms of keeping fans in the picture ??Perhaps they’re using Chansiri’s director of communications on a consultation basis ?

How many other clubs ownership come out over the summer and say this is the plan?

They made a statement after the Wembley defeat saying that they would go again and they’re here for the long haul. That’s enough. We don’t need to hear from them every week.

We don’t need to know the plan. Let them do the talking on the pitch.

Wait and see what the squad looks like when the window shuts.

 

[FlamingLip]

I've absolutely no idea what to expect. Realistically, a top 6 finish should be a sound enough return for Selle's first season. But I totally agree with the comments above that if we're not looking top 2 certainties, it's off ya pop. Precedent appears set, and no way will new owners be happy to cock about in the champ.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I've absolutely no idea what to expect. Realistically, a top 6 finish should be a sound enough return for Selle's first season. But I totally agree with the comments above that if we're not looking top 2 certainties, it's off ya pop. Precedent appears set, and no way will new owners be happy to cock about in the champ.

Again, United 24/25 was a complete outlier. Lowest scorers to achieve 90+ points in the Championship in 20 seasons, worst goal difference to do it too. Only 6 of 576 Championship teams over that period have ever had a better points per goals scored record.

Maybe the owners saw that and thought "hmm, that's not sustainable at all"

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I've absolutely no idea what to expect. Realistically, a top 6 finish should be a sound enough return for Selle's first season. But I totally agree with the comments above that if we're not looking top 2 certainties, it's off ya pop. Precedent appears set, and no way will new owners be happy to cock about in the champ.

I don't think they parted ways with Wilder because he didn't get us promoted. It was more than that. It was more likely a culmination of various factors. If they see progress and think Selles is the man to get us up and keep us up then he'll unlikely be sacked if we miss out on automatic. I wish some people stopped thinking so linear in black and white and thought about the bigger picture overall. The fact they recently said we may need patience suggests that they're prepared that it may take Selles more than one season to get us out of this division.

 

[Frank the tank]

There is no way he will be sacked if we aren't top two
No way
If we are in touch with top six he will be given time and I'd be amazed if we aren't
Think we might ge a bit inconsistent but we will be fine

 

[FlamingLip]

Again, United 24/25 was a complete outlier. Lowest scorers to achieve 90+ points in the Championship in 20 seasons, worst goal difference to do it too. Only 6 of 576 Championship teams over that period have ever had a better points per goals scored record.

Maybe the owners saw that and thought "hmm, that's not sustainable at all"

Are you suggesting Selles may get given slack due to a retrospective downwardly adjusted equivalent version of Wilder's 24/25 performance?

If not promotion, what would a minimum successful (and 'sustainable') season look like for Selle's?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

A promotion challenge is not too much to expect for a club of our size in this division.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Are you suggesting Selles may get given slack due to a retrospective downwardly adjusted equivalent version of Wilder's 24/25 performance?

If not promotion, what would a minimum successful (and 'sustainable') season look like for Selle's?

I'm saying last season's points total wouldn't be achieved again without an improved performance level and that the owners may have come to the same conclusion.

The other stuff is all you

 

[Frank the tank]

Are you suggesting Selles may get given slack due to a retrospective downwardly adjusted equivalent version of Wilder's 24/25 performance?

If not promotion, what would a minimum successful (and 'sustainable') season look like for Selle's?

He might get given slack because he is their man
The man they employed and hand picked
Wilder was given a chance and backed and blew it
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