Souza off!?

[nopigfansintown]

Two years left on his deal. If he won't renew good decision to move him on. Same with any others in the same situation.

 

[1889]

Thats the boozer fucked then

Not unless we sell Rhian Brewster too

 

[designedbyross]

We will be seriously short in midfield if he leaves.

Literally…

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

His attributes speak for themselves. Great physical presence, leader, unflappable, never shies away, loves a tackle, absolute unit (looks like a man against boys, often), athlete.

Really loved him last season. Was a huge, huge miss when out injured. That spine of Cooper, Anel, Souttar, Blaster and Souza looked so impeccably solid. I felt confident to invite other sides on to us, without any fear that we'd concede.

£13m is nowhere near enough for that IMO. To replace his skillset and presence will require a lot of money.

 

[Frank the tank]

His attributes speak for themselves. Great physical presence, leader, unflappable, never shies away, loves a tackle, absolute unit (looks like a man against boys, often), athlete.

Really loved him last season. Was a huge, huge miss when out injured. That spine of Cooper, Anel, Souttar, Blaster and Souza looked so impeccably solid. I felt confident to invite other sides on to us, without any fear that we'd concede.

£13m is nowhere near enough for that IMO. To replace his skillset and presence will require a lot of money.

LEADER. ???

 

[DronnieBlade]

His attributes speak for themselves. Great physical presence, leader, unflappable, never shies away, loves a tackle, absolute unit (looks like a man against boys, often), athlete.

Really loved him last season. Was a huge, huge miss when out injured. That spine of Cooper, Anel, Souttar, Blaster and Souza looked so impeccably solid. I felt confident to invite other sides on to us, without any fear that we'd concede.

£13m is nowhere near enough for that IMO. To replace his skillset and presence will require a lot of money.

I’d add his situational awareness and reading of opponents transitional phases was / is remarkable.

UTB

 

[bakeblade]

His attributes speak for themselves. Great physical presence, leader, unflappable, never shies away, loves a tackle, absolute unit (looks like a man against boys, often), athlete.

Really loved him last season. Was a huge, huge miss when out injured. That spine of Cooper, Anel, Souttar, Blaster and Souza looked so impeccably solid. I felt confident to invite other sides on to us, without any fear that we'd concede.

£13m is nowhere near enough for that IMO. To replace his skillset and presence will require a lot of money.

13 million? They're having a laugh surely

 

[CaptainMorgans]

VC?

Vaclav Cerny?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

LEADER. ???

 

[Frank the tank]

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?

 

[Nick Jansky]

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That’s not leadership.

 

[Slim Man]

I don't think it's an unfair fee. Think it's about right for a standout championship defensive midfielder mid twenties. And I absolutely love him.

But to suggest Tom Davies is better than him is fucking weird.

Both those things can be true.

 

[robbiez666]

There is literally NO Shef Utd or Sunderland fan that could, hand on heart, value Jobe > Vini.

Jobe is 19. One of the best players, if not the best player, in a team that just got promoted to the top flight. He's also English.

You seriously think Souza is the better prospect?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I don't think it's an unfair fee. Think it's about right for a standout championship defensive midfielder mid twenties. And I absolutely love him.

But to suggest Tom Davies is better than him is fucking weird.

Both those things can be true.

If we'd got £16m-18m I'd have thought we'd done really well.

As it is, on reflection (& considering his injury record), £13m is probably about par for the course.
Hopefully we've negotiated a sell-on and some add-ons.

 

[Slim Man]

If we'd got £16m-18m I'd have thought we'd done really well.

As it is, on reflection (& considering his injury record), £13m is probably about par for the course.
Hopefully we've negotiated a sell-on and some add-ons.

Yep. He's a mid twenties South American defensive midfielder. He's 6 foot odd but not overly quick.

I think suggesting he's worth £15m+ is pushing it

 

[Slim Man]

It’s not just the Sousa situation assuming what is being said is accurate. It’s under “market” value and by some distance imo.

What price Gus ? 13m ?

Cooper ? 6m ?

There is literally NO Shef Utd or Sunderland fan that could, hand on heart, value Jobe > Vini.

Maybe a handful.

£13m is a joke !!!

UTB

Different ages, profiles, nationalities, qualities.

They are pretty much incomparable.

For what it's worth, at the moment Souza is a better player. But that doesn't mean much.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Vaclav Cerny?

MayorOJC presume the like confirms that's something you've heard?

Pretty decent player is Cerny.
If it's £13m and him then that's a very decent deal.

 

[Reedy1889]

Cerny has been officially transfer listed this summer (didn't know the list was a real thing) so it could be on the cards. However seems Besiktas are interested too, would imagine they'd be ahead of us in the queue for him.

 

[MayorOJC]

MayorOJC presume the like confirms that's something you've heard?

Pretty decent player is Cerny.
If it's £13m and him then that's a very decent deal.

Nah just trying to bait Donnyblade into giving up some info

 

[Champagneblade]

I liked Souza last season.

I did wonder whether Selles would want a midfielder who contributed more going forwards.

Like anything, you have to reserve judgment until the ins and outs are all done.

We don’t even know how Selles wants to line up.

But as sad as it can be when players move on, and Souza did turn his career around, it’s deals like this that ensure we are solvent unlike the way our neighbours have been approaching it.

GLTTL. He seemed a good character.

 

[Bell4]

I liked Souza last season.

I did wonder whether Selles would want a midfielder who contributed more going forwards.

Like anything, you have to reserve judgment until the ins and outs are all done.

We don’t even know how Selles wants to line up.

But as sad as it can be when players move on, and Souza did turn his career around, it’s deals like this that ensure we are solvent unlike the way our neighbours have been approaching it.

GLTTL. He seemed a good character.

Onwards and upwards

Souza loves Souza

Bye bye

 

[MTBlade]

I'm definately no football expert, but if the new system has a footballing CDM and 2 box to boxes in front, i'm not sure if Souza fits in.

With that in mind, cash in if the money is right.

Is the money right? I havent got a clue as some transfers really baffle me with the money spent.

Premiership teams are paying more money for one player than whole championship clubs are worth (which really baffles me!).

What i will say is, we definately need his height replacing.

No matter how you want to play as a team, you have to match opponents height for set pieces

 

[Thrice]

I can live with losing Souza as long as we keep Hamer.

 

[Seth Rollins]

He’s not a going to be a great loss is he?? Rather him go than Hamer.

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

Jobe is 19. One of the best players, if not the best player, in a team that just got promoted to the top flight. He's also English.

You seriously think Souza is the better prospect?

Jobe is dining out on his brothers name and is massively over rated/priced.

Also you cannot compare the 2. Jobe is an attacking midfielder, Vini is a defensive midfielder.

 

[robbiez666]

Jobe is dining out on his brothers name and is massively over rated/priced.

Also you cannot compare the 2. Jobe is an attacking midfielder, Vini is a defensive midfielder.

I wasn't

 

[Nick Jansky]

Jobe is dining out on his brothers name and is massively over rated/priced.

Also you cannot compare the 2. Jobe is an attacking midfielder, Vini is a defensive midfielder.

Jobe didn’t play as an attacking midfielder for Sunderland. I think you’ve confused him with his brother.

 

[BrisBlade]

I was thinking we'd be looking for around £15m so that's not too bad. I think Hamer and maybe Anel may follow unfortunately. They're good players who would want to be playing in top leagues. They gave us a season to get back there but probably keen to move on now I suspect.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Brilliant thread.

Proof positive a VERY high percentage of our armchair experts know the square root of fuck all about what goes on out there on the grass.

If the fee is anything like that stated, it’s an embarrassment to the negotiating skills of them behind the fancy glass doors.

VS is, or should I say most likely now, was, our Rodri. It’s that simple.

When a team like City miss one player in the way Rodri was missed last year, god only knows what impact this loss could have for us.

Accept that RS doesn’t necessarily use a proper CDM - I don’t know otherwise - maybe he does maybe he doesn’t.

As inevitable as I always expected this to be, it’s a massive hole to fill.

Massive.

UTB

Souza is a phenomenal athlete but on the ball he’s not even a championship version of Rodri.

He’s neat and tidy at this level but doesn’t control the pace or direction of the game, doesn’t drive with the ball or play decisive balls and certainly doesn’t score.

But as an athlete, at times last season he was like a man playing against boys. But there’s still big holes and limitations in his game.

Not the end of the world losing Vini

 

[metalblade]

£13m seems a few million short to me but we are making a profit on him, if we are bringing Alzate in as a replacement it might not be a bad deal. Sad to see him go there was a good player in there but also a few weaknesses. It could be for the best if we are changing playing style to a more attacking one do we really then need a midfielder to hold the CB's hands?